Andy Fanshawe

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Just finishing a loooong transformation of my 86 camaro SC - overhaulin style.
20's fitted to the back and I think they look damn good!! The airide suspension helps!!
18" at the front next month

















Andy.

igotta355z28

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might look ok if they didnt have the drums behind them lol....if ur just goin for a cruiser i guess 20s can be ok , but for performance i dont like anything bigger then 17s. need some sidewall damnit....

mesterz2889

thats a lotta red i think you shoulda got some tubular suspension stuff that was already red being as you like yo spend money save time too

compuwiz1937

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I don't know, I still think 18"s should be the limit and then only a select few have pulled of 18s. I definately think you should paint some of the undercarriage (like the entire suspension) black instead of red. There's just too much red.

Fords88Bird

Very nice work, excellent detailing. I like anything with big wheels as long as they can tuck. For performance as in racing or auto-x they're def. to big but yours if for show and cruizin I bet so it's cool with me. Personally I would paint under there satin black especially under the fenders to make the wheels stand out. Later.

//<86TA>\\

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me

ive seen them done once, using a larger diameter tire and i worked, yours just look too big, but thats me and if you like them, thats all that matters.

to make them look better, loose the drums, and use the largest rotors you can get

I like all the detail on the underside! good job! Though i will not envy you when cleaning time comes

Fords88Bird

Andy, check out Sickness91Z28 he's on bags with 20x10 and 275-35 in back and looks sweet. Later.

Andy Fanshawe

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Thanks for the responses guys

The undercarriage is red to carry on the theme around the car. To connect the underside to the top. And since this is a show car, all suspension components are plated or polished red. Going satin black is a negative retrograde step for this car. Bright, cheery and fun

The drums I would like to keep, ...why?.....well to keep a spot of nostagia on the car and a grain of connection to the past, even though modern electronics have been incorporated into the car.

I will check out the airbagged camaro. Thanks Fords88Bird.

Thanks for everyones suggestions, and yes, I'm not looking forward to cleaning it!!!

Andy.

Timothayyy

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They had disc brakes for the rear back then. So it wouldent disconnect it from the past.

Id also like to see aftermarket suspension components, those stamped steel bars dont look so good, even with the excellent red paint. Id get new lower control arms, panhard rod, and def a wonder bar if you dont have one.

Im also not a fan of the rims. But its your car.

Andy Fanshawe

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Hi Timothayyy.
I like my drum brakes-easier to hide behind painted covers !! And they work damn well!

Those suspension components are a damn good idea, but,....my pockets are only so deep. It's not the buying them, it's the stripping and plating/painting/polishing as well. You don't want to know how much money and time has been sunk into this car. My Wife is already concerned! I'm sure I have 2 kids to look after as well So, they will be on my to do list. Before then I have a custom Astro to finish as well!....
As a consolation, the propshaft has airbrushed flames on it!!!

Andy.

Rock-Bert

Hey Andy
What tire size do you run??

Greetz Rob

sailtexas186548

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i have hear third gens referred to as boats... but come on man... but anyways car looks cool, paint looks like it was expensive/time consuming, but worth it!

Andy Fanshawe

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Hi Rob.
Thanks for question.
Rears are 245/35 20's.
Fronts are 18's, and size not determined yet!! Probably 225/45 18. Nothing too fancy.

Andy.

Andy Fanshawe

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Sorry about that!! Thats UK talk. What do you guys call it? Driveshaft? You're gonna have to get used to these english terms!
Thanks for the compliments.

Interestingly, all the UK forums I have posted the car on have gone nuts about it, but the American ones are not so sure...........don't know what that says about us English and you Americans, but fascinating just the same. Perhaps we are more easily pleased, and have less metal to compare it to

Expensive paint job? Nearly ended in divorce





Andy.

91_5.7_TPI

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A touch of nostalgia for drum brakes with 20s? That's pretty counter-intuitive, if you ask me lol.

I don't think they look bad, but their not for me. (I'm more performance oriented with my car) Are you planning to add ground effects? I think that would help the look.

I agree with the statements about the tubular suspension components - it would look better, although that is alot of high quality work, so I don't blame you for keeping it.

Norm Peterson

Might be that on this side of the pond the image of large diameter wheels combined with tiny brakes is too close to that of riced-out imports, "donks", and trucks/SUVs on really monster wheels for comfort. Different priorities, and of those three the rice is probably the most performance-oriented, which is what pony/muscle cars have traditionally been about. Examples from the others are certainly good for visual shock, but look cartoonish by way of over-exaggeration. Regardless of the quality of workmanship.

Oversize wheels don't look quite so out of proportion if it's obvious that their size is being driven by functional requirements such as being able to fit an aftermarket big brake kit or revised suspension componentry that intrudes into the space inside the "barrels" of the wheels.

Work internet filters aren't letting me see any pictures or even the links, so I can't tell how delicate the wheels might look or much of the stuff behind them is actually visible.


Norm

klause83z28

There is nothing wrong with differences, it teaches us culture and friendship. On a serious note, I really don't like those rims either; I feel they are too big. You need a smaller rim to keep me satisfied, 17's would be perfect. I wouldn't worry too much about our opinions, you get vx220's and cossies.

Cheers!!!

Saleen85

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Enh, I don't think it looks too horrible, but those rubber band tires make me cringe just thinking about uneven pavement, let alone a hidden pothole.

18's aren't too hard to pull off, I have 18x10.5's on mine, and it looks pretty good

BladeX10

Now try to put 24"s on your camaro. lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pg9_Qg0V04

I like 20's on camaros.

all4u

I think big wheels look dumb. I think more than half the board would agree with me that Draglites with slicks and skinnies would look better on that car than those "DUBS". Just an opinion, or maybe a fact.

BladeX10

I think only Draglites are good on cars that actually need them. They look alittle ridiculous and overkill on a car with 135-200 HP.. Thats why most people put 18"/20" rims on their car.

racing geek

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I agree with most... 20's are way to big and it's 17's or 18's for the win!

Norm Peterson

Sorry, but not needing (or wanting) Draglites is not a legitimate reason for choosing 18's or bigger. It's much simpler than that - such people have not got past the stage where they believe that bigger always has to be better just because it is bigger (this isn't like drafting NFL linemen into your fantasy league team, guys).

Wheels should complement a car's styling, and be a part of it. Not overpower it and subdue everything else.


To the OP, those rear wheels NEED bigger brakes. It's OK to see lots of empty space in bicycle or motorcycle wheels (because you look straight into empty air), but not in car wheels (you end up seeing relatively rough surfaces that are purely functional - IOW not styled at all and clash with the normally visible sheetmetal). Style-wise, I hope that you're going to make the front wheels match the rears, and lose the white letter tires. I realize that you're not quite done yet, but you need to unify the theme here.

I still think that 20 is a couple inches too big even for the rear and that 18/17 would fit the car better if you must go as big as 18 at either end. Right now, even with your paint job, the eye goes to the rear wheel much too quickly because it is the biggest and brightest single part of the picture. Yes, that probably means that you wouldn't be making as strong a "statement" with the car. But it would be a better balanced one.


Norm

Brennan

a few posts back he said he hasn't even purchased the front wheels yet and whats wrong with white letter tires? not for this car for sure but i think they look good on your everyday thirdgen

Norm Peterson

That comment was directed specifically at the OP, not the 3rd gen world in general. And I did read about some of what he knows he has left to do.

It [white letters] doesn't work very well for a car that isn't being built as a 70's-80's nostalgic cruiser or a dragstrip imitator from that era (which I have nothing against even though I wouldn't personally build either one). It doesn't work at all with really low profile tires. Wide 50's probably represent the boundary between "OK" and "uh-uh/nope/no way" here.


Norm

Brennan

ok just checkin lol but i agree with you 100% theres a fine line between tastefull and wtf is that? the ops car i think is nice but couldve used a few upgrades in the undercarriage, engine etc. and of course 17" or 18" wheel instead, with disc brakes!

paul_huryk

I like the paint and overall look.

But with so much wheel and a very thin tire, it looks out of proportion with the car's coachwork. 18" is a big wheel, yet still keeps the "flow" of the car.

And as some others have said - cringing when driving because of possible wheel mutilation is not a great thing to worry about...

BladeX10

lol@the astro van in the background with the spoiler and 22"s(i think)

all4u

I think on a third gen, drag lites, pro stars, or centerline classics are nice looking. Also the guys that put the newer vette wheels on looks ok. As far as 18-20 inch wheels, I think it is plain ugly. How many cars like ours do you remember from the 80's when they were new, were driving on 20's. I guess if you are in a hispanic neighborhood, it is the thing to have. Here in Chicago, 20's will bend going down the street and hitting pot holes. Good luck, I think that the money for the wheels could have been spent better elsewhere like suspension.

Saleen85

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I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but for everyone that says 18's don't work on a third gen, the 18x10.5's I've got on mine look like they should be there:



And, while some of you may not like his car, he isn't building it for you. I personally think there isn't enough rubber between the pavement and the wheel, but overall, it doesn't look too bad. I think it's nice that he kept with the 3rd gen IROC look on his 20" wheel.

RustyRS

I read the title of the thread and thought, oh no...am I going to see spinners? I actually think that they look pretty good, they aren't my style but its not my car. I agree with the brakes, it looks out of proportion, I understand the money issue though and the nostalgia idea. I think that if one thing could be changed, my suggestion would be with the suspension paint. Too much red for my taste and I think that a nice black would still have given it a show car look. Lets face it, most of us have these cars for driving, not polishing. We may not be the best audience for the "all show" look. Just my .02

Norm Peterson

No, he isn't. But the way the title was written is at least mildly confrontational in tone and should be expected to draw adverse comment, especially on a topic such as this where strong opinions are already known to exist. I think that more than just a few people would freely translate "Who says 20's are too much on a thirdgen!!" as "I dare you to tell me that 20's are too much on a thirdgen!!".

Anyway, I agree with your comments about rubber height, at least with respect to how it looks relative to the wheel and tire diameters. And about maintaining the 3rd gen wheel style.

Internet filters here at work don't let me view photobucket, so I'll try to remember to look later when I get home. But as one general rule of thumb I'm looking at a wheel size no bigger than 17% to maybe an absolute maximum of 18% of the wheelbase dimension (18's just barely make the cut for a 101" WB). Or a tire diameter no greater than about 25% of WB for most any car built within recent memory.


Norm

Fyrstorm

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To me they just don't look like the right scale for the car. But these are definately not the worst I've seen, they have enough open space that takes away from the size at first glance. Hate the solid or thick armed rims in 20" on a 3rd Gen.

83Firebird420

over haulin wouldve put disks on the rear very nice work, love the flames!

ps, kill switch on ur undercarage?

Timothayyy

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Those look like Z06 rims to me. While not my favorite, its been said already that the corvette rims look good. I like just the regular C5 or C6 rims, maybe next year ill get a set.

godreject

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i actually liek the 20's look, i've had 20's on my iroc before didn't look bad but the ride was shitty not to mention how expensive the tires were, i would say for a weekend cruiser 20's are great, for every day driving stick with 18's or below, i currently have 19" rear 18" fronts c6 rims they look bad *** but @ 300 bucks per rear tire i won't be doing many burnoouts

Saleen85

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Yes, I have the C5 Z06 wheels. I was thinking about getting rid of them for something more track oriented, but these are surprisingly light weight. My 17" Bullitt wheels were a hell of a lot heavier than these are.

cameron7710

not to sure about rims when u can hardly tell they have tires on

Sickness91Z28

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I think it looks great man, before I got my intros and air ride, I hade the 20/18 inch IROC combo...which looked pretty good. Yes, they would look alot better with bigger brakes....but like me...I haven't upgraded yet...but with time I will. Def. one of the nicest sport coupes on the boards

Fords88Bird

. Sickness I always liked ur ride dude. Later.

Mr. IROC-Z

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I think it looks pretty cool. I am of the mindset that says if you go big rims, you must also ensure that your car is low enough to make it look nice.
The air bags work great and the car looks very cool when it is a parked and 'slammed postion', but when you have to raise the car to normal driving height, may not look so cool then.
In any case, great job! The paint job is very unique. In regards to the brakes, maybe you can update that later. Even my drum brakes looked small with my 18's. That's why I had to upgrade to 13' rotors.
Get us some updated pics with the 18's in the front.

traumadrummer

A bit back in the thread, Norm Peterson wrote

"Wheels should complement a car's styling, and be a part of it. Not overpower it and subdue everything else."

I've never really liked the looks of very large wheels on a car. Now I realize why! They over power the car. All I can see is wheel.

Thanks Norm!

Orr89RocZ

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20/18 combo i think is alittle too much stagger especially considering sidewall hieght differences. it be better with 20/19 but i think a 20 is a touch too much wheel

i have 19 rear 18 up front and i think its awesome but might be better with 18 all around. i think 18's are the best choice wheel for these cars. 17's arent big enough

DanJz

If he had the same 20's on the front, the car looks like a blown-up Hot Wheels, which in itself would be kinda cool lol

As for being a real-life third gen, the look's not my favorite, but it's better than that Youtube video with the kids that have 24' spinners on their Camaro!!

and if it makes him happy then more power to him

Flip 2

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Like most others, this is not a route I would take....
HOWEVER
I think it looks great. It is away from the covered wagon look of most large rim cars; it is something else instead. To me, it is a tribute to our cars, that this approach can be this interesting to see. Of course, the excellent quality of the work makes it happen.
It will be fun to see the fronts, when they are done.
Bravo!!

TheScaryOne

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Put some big discs back there. Ed miller (Flynbye Performance) makes a 13" rear disc kit. Should fill up a lot of that space.

I'm not a fan of the wheels either, but they should really have disc brakes.

Oh, and most aftermarket suspension parts come powdercoated red, so you don't have to worry about stripping them and then painting them.

Fords88Bird

Andy we're all waiting for an update to see the front, like I said looks good to me. I'm runnin 19" & 18" C6 wheels for now but next time around maybe bigger. Later.

Seanmay1

I think it looks pretty good

But look at this crap lol 26s on a camaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiMRJ...eature=related

BMR Sales

Well I didnt think I was going to like them but I was wrong. The wheels look good! Nice work!