Kj Rockz

My car wont start. It trys to turn over, but it just wont.

Any ideas suggestions?

fiream

fuel pressure regulator

and fuel pump need changing

WaynesRS

It could be alot of things ...When's the last time you had a tuneup ?

Kj Rockz

How much?

Kj Rockz

I havn't done a tuenup since I got it.

Put about 7000 miles on it since then.

Who knows whne the last time they did a tune up was

I guess I going to the parts store....

WaynesRS

make sure thats what it is , before you go change it and then it still wont start .Not trying to flame firearm .Just making a good point .

Kj Rockz

Aggreed, I guess I'll do a full tune up and then see what happens
.

Good thing I have a Monte Carlo that works

Also Good thing it;s the week end


Any suggestions on what parts to use?

WaynesRS

even if that doesnt fix , still helped it , b/c if you dont know the last time you had a tune-up , prabably needs one .That might be why it doesnt want to start goodluck

Kj Rockz

It's a 3.1

WaynesRS

DON'T go to AUTOZONE or DISCOUNT AUTO PARTS . ..I use carquest , very good parts ..also advance has some real good parts !

Kj Rockz

I always use carquest

Kj Rockz

Thanks for the help man, I appreciate it.

See, this is why I love this board.

WaynesRS

AUTOZONE has the cheapest and crappiest parts I've ever seen in my life .I have never purchased a good part there .After two years I gave up on them .I think If K-MART had a bluelight special on F-body parts , you'd be better off there than AUTOZONE

WaynesRS

No problem man ! ...I hope it starts ! ..But if not , your money was not wasted b/c it prbably use a tune-up anyway

WaynesRS

I wonder if your fuel filter could even be clogged ? I dont know if that would cause it not to start .??? ...Look up TomP's tune-up post in the search before you leave

fiream

Wayne,

Theres nothing wrong with Autozone, I happen to work at one.


fuel pressure regulator

GP-SORENSEN 800-122 1 YR $22.99


Pump
MASTER E3240 LLT $46.99

WaynesRS

Uh , that's why my Uncle and plenty of other people I know never get good parts there huh ? ....Don't chance it Kj , just go to carquest . And MAKE SURE the fuel pump works before you buy a new one .

WaynesRS

I've even seen a dateline special about AUTOZONE placing used parts that dont work into new boxes and selling them .

Kj Rockz

Now that is F*ucked up

WaynesRS

Firearm , I dont mean to bash on AUTOZONE , but its just what I've seen and experienced .The AutoZone location you work at could sell good parts , I don't know . No offence or personal attack taken to you .

fiream

hey what do you think of my intake?

GTRick

Kj Rockz does the engine turn over? do you smell anything?(gas fumes) on my parrents civic, when the fuelpump went out you could smell the gas when you tried to start it...

however on my RS when my coil went bad it had the same symptomes and smell...

tune up is a good thing, cant go wrong with it...


fiream you get lots of neat stuff... are you ever putting thoes headers on?

CaliCamaroRS

First of all, a bad FP regulator will only cause a long crank condition, not a "no start" condition.

Screw the tune up. Find out what's wrong with the car first. Crank/no start is usually easy to diagnose.

Here's the things I ALWAYS do first:

1) Check fuel pressure. If it's not at 40-45 psi you've got a problem. If the pressure stays at zero, check the relay for power. If it's got power, then you've either got a bad fuel pump or a bad connection.
If you get fuel pressure between 1-30 psi, your fuel pump is junk. No need to test the relay.

2) Test for spark. If you want to spend a lil cash, get a spark tester. A spark tester will usually require 30,000 volts to spark, so if you're getting no spark or weak spark, the spark tester will not fire.

This will find the problem 90% of the time. Fortunately, thirdgens don't have crap like crank sensors and DIS that make diagnosis harder. Good luck.

Kj Rockz

How do I test Fuel Pressure

CaliCamaroRS

With a fuel pressure gauge. Yes, you're gonna have to spend some money. I got mine at Sears for $40....cheapest one i could find.

Then you hook it up to the Shrader Valve(It sorta looks like a valve stem for a tire) on the back of the fuel rail near the distributor.

Then you crank the motor to see if pressure builds.

Pretty simple.

Kj Rockz

great, more money....

WaynesRS

A tuneup could be what it needs .And if he doesn't remember the last time it had one , it prabably needs one .Sence he has two cars , it wont hurt to do a tuneup first .That might just fix it .

CaliCamaroRS

I didn't say there was anything wrong with a tune-up. I said find the problem FIRST. Then tune all you want.

I dunno about you, but when i get a no start condidtion I don't say "Well, lets do a tune-up and HOPE it fixes the problem". I do the diagnostic tests to FIND THE PROBLEM AND FIX IT.

If he's got fuel pressure, I'd suggest pulling a spark plug and see if it's fouled and also pull the dist. cap and look at the terminals to see if there is buildup.

WaynesRS

Well I don't say that either .But in this instance , where he doesn't know the last time the car had a tuneup and he bought it used . A tuneup might fix it , plus most likely needs one anyway .THE PROBLEM MIGHT BE , IT NEEDS A TUNEUP .

WaynesRS

your cap or rotar , or coil , or plugs even maybe so crapped out from needing a tuneup , it may not want to start .

WaynesRS

A tuneup on a car is a WIN/WIN situation , if you have not done one in awhile .That may not fix it .Cali , could be right , could be something to do with your fuel pressure .But I look at a tune-up like going to the dentist , no matter if you hate going to the dentist , if you have not been in awhile , its a WIN/WIN situation , ya get your teeth cleaned real good and make sure nothings wrong .With your car your replacing those run-down parts and you will prabably get better gas-mileage .And it will run better after you find whats wrong with it , if that doesn't fix it , but it might fix it . goodluck

WaynesRS

I can barely see your intake . ....Firearm , how do you like your platnum 4's? .Im thinking about getting some

87RS402

Your car needs 3 things to start and run: Fuel, spark, and compression. Check which one of those you don't have and go from there.

Compression is a no-brainer, if you had it yesterday 99.999% chance you still have it.

Fuel; Pull a plug after trying to start it, is it wet? Does it smell like gas?

Spark; Usually where the problem is. Take the plug you pulled to check for fuel and before you put it back in put the plug wire on it and lay it on a bare piece of metal. Have someone crank the engine over while you look at the plug tip, do you see a spark? If not start checking things like the cap and coil. Most of the time when I've run into a no spark condition the cause has been the ignition module. Usually if the module is good you will at least get a weak spark, but not always.

Even though a full tune up wouldn't hurt it doesn't include a module so if thats the cause you'd still be in the same situation but out more money.

CaliCamaroRS

I'd recommend a tune up also. I'm just saying, I'd be more concerned with finding the actual problem and not guessing.

Hell, the tests might show that his cap and rotor are black and carbon tracked and that's not why it's starting. If this were the case and he "just did a tune-up" and fixed it, he would never know what the actual problem was. Then, later on down the line, someone will post "My car won't start!" and this guy will reply "Do a tune-up, It fixed my car!".

Sure, it's better to be lucky than good, but you wont always be lucky if you just throw parts at a car and hope for the best.

P.S. Wayne, 4 posts in a row? You're a postwhore.

Kj Rockz

I agree with wayne, on the tune up part.

If I replace all the parts in regular tuneup, and there is still a problem, I have eliminated most of the suspect parts...

I'll go with the tune up, and I guess we will see what happens.

Any suggestions, on plugs, wires, cap, etc....

WaynesRS

Dan , You are right .Hadn't thought of that ....Yeah , Im just a big postwhore

WaynesRS

Sparkplugs - Ac delco , bosh
Wires- Ac delco , bosh even makes wires , I bet their good like their plugs
Dist cap -I've used a wells .I had one on the car for like 3 years with 40k miles on it .Can't guarantee you , you will get that much . I dont know maybe thats normal ??? I've heard good and bad about accel
I've heard accel is junk , then I've heard people dont have problems with it . I have some accel 8mm wires for my car , the universal , that you have to make .But I think you can order cuson fit ones .Im not suggesting those b/c I dont know how good they are yet .I'll have to let you guys know ...I have no clue what kinda fuel filter I have .BECAREFULL with the gas when changing that . I didn't relieve my fuel pressure and I was almost seeing pink elephants ...look up TomP tuneup there's ya tune-up list

91convert

i had the same problem and it ended up that my knock sensor wire got unplugged which tells the computer to shut off the ignition if theres no signal coming from the sensor

69charger383

try jumping it, my old camaro did that all the time cause i had a crappy battery from someplace mentioned in this thread earlier.. cough* autozone cough* started right up after i jumped it and then ran great after a tune up and new battery.. My T/A had the same problem too, get a quality battery if you can.. i went with optima hope it helps.. plus jumping your car is free and wont hurt anything other than 5 minutes of your day

kuulkatdadieo

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