Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
At any rate, parts are ordered.
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
willie i will take pictures for u this weekend , the 700 is going back in my iroc so i can get rid of the th400 , ill be installing the 500 boost .296 low rev , transgo r kit and a few other parts
i didnt buy a servo though
ill take pictures so u can see whats involved
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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willie i will take pictures for u this weekend , the 700 is going back in my iroc so i can get rid of the th400 , ill be installing the 500 boost .296 low rev , transgo r kit and a few other parts
i didnt buy a servo though
ill take pictures so u can see whats involved
Lets see if I remember this correctly, one goes in the pump and one goes in the valvebody? I watched a few videos a couple months ago.
Thanks Dave.
In case anyone is wondering, I bought part #700 662, vette servo and boost valves. Its a good deal.
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
The servo is fairly straight forward, I would mainly be interested in the boost valves installation.
Lets see if I remember this correctly, one goes in the pump and one goes in the valvebody? I watched a few videos a couple months ago.
Thanks Dave.
In case anyone is wondering, I bought part #700 662, vette servo and boost valves. Its a good deal.
Lets see if I remember this correctly, one goes in the pump and one goes in the valvebody? I watched a few videos a couple months ago.
Thanks Dave.
In case anyone is wondering, I bought part #700 662, vette servo and boost valves. Its a good deal.
Believe me it is very easy to install. You changing these parts on a trans that's no in the car right? I installed it on a trans that was not in the car and it only took 20 minuets or so to install the parts. Iirc there are directions that came with the parts. Follow them and you'll be okay.
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
Believe me it is very easy to install. You changing these parts on a trans that's no in the car right? I installed it on a trans that was not in the car and it only took 20 minuets or so to install the parts. Iirc there are directions that came with the parts. Follow them and you'll be okay.
the hard part about doing it in the car is orienting the drawings the right way for check ball placement
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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Lol. Tape it to the bottom of the car. I'll be doing them on a raised workbench. I would use the welding table but it has a riding mower engine dissasembled on it. Aluminum block got ate up by the steel crankshaft. Damned if the piston isnt close to the same size as the 2.8 haha.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
Got the trans on the stand getting ready to put the goodies in.
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Getting started. Pans clean, insides clean, fluid is fresh, no clutch material in the pan. Looking good so far.
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
Oh yea.. i remember those days.
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Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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Took a little less than an hour taking my time. Just waiting to pull mine for the modified throttle valve, shifter assembly, pan and tv cable.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
I'm thinking about just modifying the tv sleeve in this trans instead of swapping mine over. Then all I have to swap is the shifter stuff and tail shaft.
I was going to make a little mini tutorial on swapping the boost valves and servo but I forgot to take pics of all the steps when doing the servo, lol. But I will throw some of the pics up here.
Ok, so I know about boost valve in the pan syndrome, does that snap ring look completely seated in the last pic? All the other pics are pretty much self explanatory. Having never been inside a trans before but to do the tv sleeve mod, I was pretty comfortable doing these boost valves and servo.
Eazy peazy.
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
sorry man we never got to my tansmission over the weekend , one of the farm trusk used for feeding cattle broke down and its been on the lift waiting for parts .
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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Awesome. Yea I saw when I first got it seated the snap ring wasnt fully open, so I took a screw driver and lightly tapped it till it seated.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
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Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
Well I have a motorcycle/transmission jack and I would assume itll be a little easier if we let the rear hang to take the tension off. Then I gather its remove the torque arm and driveshaft, get the jack under the trans, remove the mount, tv cable, then bolts and pull it out. More or less no?
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Well I have a motorcycle/transmission jack and I would assume itll be a little easier if we let the rear hang to take the tension off. Then I gather its remove the torque arm and driveshaft, get the jack under the trans, remove the mount, tv cable, then bolts and pull it out. More or less no?
Its easier to let the trans down some to get to the top two bolts of the bell housing, but you still have to go from the back of the trans with extensions to reach them, unless you wanna pull your dizzy.
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I wish I lived close. Id have a trans out in 45min tops and re installed in the same. You really dont wana know how many times Ive taken a trans out of my car. But then again your trans hasent been out a lot so the bolts may be a little stubbern
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
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I wish I lived close. Id have a trans out in 45min tops and re installed in the same. You really dont wana know how many times Ive taken a trans out of my car. But then again your trans hasent been out a lot so the bolts may be a little stubbern
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
I wish I lived close. Id have a trans out in 45min tops and re installed in the same. You really dont wana know how many times Ive taken a trans out of my car. But then again your trans hasent been out a lot so the bolts may be a little stubbern
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
Using a combined 3ft extension and a wobbler works best for those housing bolts on the trans. The top 2 bolts can be taken out from above with a wrench and socket wrench but if you have alot of wires and stuff jamed there then it wont be as easy. Ive always done the top 2 from above. But I did remove the dizzy.
Also make sure you are very careful with the vss wire harness, the TCC harness, and the TV cable. And also drain as much fluid out as you can. Loosen up the pan in spots and get a few qts of fluid out of it. When you take the fill pipe out and start taking the trans out fluid will be coming out like crazy and can make a disaster if its full.
The back tq arm bolts are a pita to get loose when it is the first time they've been broke loose in 20+ years.
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Well I dont have to worry about the vss, just the speedo cable. I have never had the trans out of my car, lol. The TV cable I know can get messed up real easy. Itll be a learning process for me but I just pulled that big block out which was connected to a 4wd trans and transfer case. So this shouldnt be too bad.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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Love it when you break the transmission filter putting it in by hand. Chinesium parts ftw.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
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Lets play identify the torque converter!
Was behind a 3.4. No idea.
Was behind a 3.4. No idea.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
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Hell yea! Heres what converter it is.
* TC-GM61CWHD * * * Torque converter, 4L60-700R4tc 10" (Lock-Up)
Codes: HBFD, (PWM w/ ECCC) Woven Carbon
Diameter - 10”, 245mm DIA. , PILOT - .825”, Mount - 3 Pads, Splines - 27
Notes - High Stall (2350-2795)
http://www.makcotransmissionparts.co...E-4L65Etc.html
If it is it should be **** with this turbo
* TC-GM61CWHD * * * Torque converter, 4L60-700R4tc 10" (Lock-Up)
Codes: HBFD, (PWM w/ ECCC) Woven Carbon
Diameter - 10”, 245mm DIA. , PILOT - .825”, Mount - 3 Pads, Splines - 27
Notes - High Stall (2350-2795)
http://www.makcotransmissionparts.co...E-4L65Etc.html
If it is it should be **** with this turbo
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Re: Another Turbo 2.8 in progress
That's the same tc I have. It'll make it fun. Sometimes I wonder if the manufacturer knows the tc is capable of holding up to 400+ hp and 11 second 1/4 miles/1.6x 60 ft times.
Don't get me wrong that tc is cheep and you will be loosing alot of hp with it but for a low cost tc it is much much better then stock and flashes nicely.
Don't get me wrong that tc is cheep and you will be loosing alot of hp with it but for a low cost tc it is much much better then stock and flashes nicely.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
That's the same tc I have. It'll make it fun. Sometimes I wonder if the manufacturer knows the tc is capable of holding up to 400+ hp and 11 second 1/4 miles/1.6x 60 ft times.
Don't get me wrong that tc is cheep and you will be loosing alot of hp with it but for a low cost tc it is much much better then stock and flashes nicely.
Don't get me wrong that tc is cheep and you will be loosing alot of hp with it but for a low cost tc it is much much better then stock and flashes nicely.
Sucks I gotta be easy on it with this trans, lol.
Does it have a larger/stronger clutch than stock?
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
So the next time I go out to a jy for a knock sensor, I am going to keep an eye out for a sport/economy button out of a bmw or volvo, because I have decided to do dual tables. So I can tune the economy tune while I have to be easy on this trans. Then when I rebuild my trans, I can resume tuning on the power tune. I'll mount the sport/econ button where the stock defrost switch would be.
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So the next time I go out to a jy for a knock sensor, I am going to keep an eye out for a sport/economy button out of a bmw or volvo, because I have decided to do dual tables. So I can tune the economy tune while I have to be easy on this trans. Then when I rebuild my trans, I can resume tuning on the power tune. I'll mount the sport/econ button where the stock defrost switch would be.
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
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Where would the knock sensor be located on the 3.4? Also where would I put it on the 2.8? I would assume it would be best to put it in the same spot as it would be on the 3.4, but the 2.8 would probably have to be drilled and tapped correct?
Also, I don't see why I couldn't do this but I will ask for clarification anyway. So say I get the dual tables setup. Can I grab a GM electronic boost controller, turn the stock wastegate down to 6psi, then have the boost controller not bleed pressure to run 6psi on the economy tune, then when I hit the switch to power tune, have the boost controller bleed pressure off to run 12 psi.
In short, can I do this? 6psi on economy and 12 psi on the power tune? Can I setup the MS to automatically switch the boost controller when I flip the sport/econ switch?
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Lol, I don't know how my car would handle having more than one part from a Mercedes on it, rofl.
Where would the knock sensor be located on the 3.4? Also where would I put it on the 2.8? I would assume it would be best to put it in the same spot as it would be on the 3.4, but the 2.8 would probably have to be drilled and tapped correct?
Also, I don't see why I couldn't do this but I will ask for clarification anyway. So say I get the dual tables setup. Can I grab a GM electronic boost controller, turn the stock wastegate down to 6psi, then have the boost controller not bleed pressure to run 6psi on the economy tune, then when I hit the switch to power tune, have the boost controller bleed pressure off to run 12 psi.
In short, can I do this? 6psi on economy and 12 psi on the power tune? Can I setup the MS to automatically switch the boost controller when I flip the sport/econ switch?
Where would the knock sensor be located on the 3.4? Also where would I put it on the 2.8? I would assume it would be best to put it in the same spot as it would be on the 3.4, but the 2.8 would probably have to be drilled and tapped correct?
Also, I don't see why I couldn't do this but I will ask for clarification anyway. So say I get the dual tables setup. Can I grab a GM electronic boost controller, turn the stock wastegate down to 6psi, then have the boost controller not bleed pressure to run 6psi on the economy tune, then when I hit the switch to power tune, have the boost controller bleed pressure off to run 12 psi.
In short, can I do this? 6psi on economy and 12 psi on the power tune? Can I setup the MS to automatically switch the boost controller when I flip the sport/econ switch?
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I might not need it if this BMW has one. Have this inline 6, 3 series BMW, either late 90s or early 2000s that I just got the ok to part out.
Its got a blown head gasket and possibly a blown timing set. I cant decide if I want the headlights to swap into the camaro, and the power leather seats, lol. And it has 17s on it.
Its got a blown head gasket and possibly a blown timing set. I cant decide if I want the headlights to swap into the camaro, and the power leather seats, lol. And it has 17s on it.
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I might not need it if this BMW has one. Have this inline 6, 3 series BMW, either late 90s or early 2000s that I just got the ok to part out.
Its got a blown head gasket and possibly a blown timing set. I cant decide if I want the headlights to swap into the camaro, and the power leather seats, lol. And it has 17s on it.
Its got a blown head gasket and possibly a blown timing set. I cant decide if I want the headlights to swap into the camaro, and the power leather seats, lol. And it has 17s on it.
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Mark, I noticed your converter is non pwm lockup and mine is pwm lockup with eccc(whatever that is), is mine going to lockup?
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I would rather have the on/off clutch apply than the soccer mom clutch apply.
Also, RubberD, this is why this converter never locked up for you.
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Thats not what I am worried about. I will have a locking converter at one point, so I am trying to figure out what needs to be done, if anything, to lock a pwm TCC with a non pwm trans.
I would rather have the on/off clutch apply than the soccer mom clutch apply.
Also, RubberD, this is why this converter never locked up for you.
I would rather have the on/off clutch apply than the soccer mom clutch apply.
Also, RubberD, this is why this converter never locked up for you.