willexoIX

Its ok, lol. Sounds like an interesting night.

willexoIX

Quick question, I know when you power up the MS, before cranking, the outside 2 LEDs are lit, then normally when the car is started, just the LED by the connector is lit. Now all of a sudden after cranking, the middle LED lights along with the one by the connector. What is the middle LED for in my setup? Warmup indication? Its not on when the laptop is connected.

project89

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outer leds are spark , middle led is warmup

heres a new tune i just leaned it out a tad across the board , and i cut back on ae enrichements let me know how it works out

are u still having issues starting once the engine is warmed up i forgot to take away some cranking fuel when the engine is warm

willexoIX

I will update either tomorrow night or Tuesday morning on how it does, and post up another datalog. I'm going to spend the day at my girls house. Thank you for the continued help!

I haven't really taken it out, but it's still a little rough starting while hot or cold. First start stalls out unless I give it some gas.

project89

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if its stalling first fire when cold i need to add some more after start enrichment , the downside of not having an iac is that u have to really tune the cold start enrichment and after start enrichment for it to work well


on the hot start issue are u having to give it throttle or is it just cranking very slow ?

willexoIX

It cranks fine, just doesnt want to start unless i give it some gas.

project89

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ok it has to much fuel then

project89

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dont use williebase2 use this one instead

i added some cold start after enrichment
took away soe hot start cranking fuel
added a 6,500 rpm hard rpm limiter , soft limit when it activates is 6,300
i disabled the traction control system for now
i disabled the additive, retractive timing controls ( adds or removes timing based on coolant and air temps ) ill enable this later
made some other minor changes

edit i also fixed the Celsius versus Fahrenheit error

willexoIX

Sounds good. Ill be home around 9 tonight, which is 6 or 7 your time. Ill let you know how it goes

Edit- i also dont have the launch control switch wired up at the moment, not worried about that till shes running good

willexoIX

I'm about to go out and rerun the power wire for the MS away from the dizzy and coil. The turbo setup is supposed to be delivered today, but the tracking number says that it was never recieved at the sort facility in CO. Only says dispatched to sort facility on the 13th. I find it hard to believe that the usps "misplaced" a 40+ pound sizeable package....

Waiting to hear back from usps as I have initiated an investigation. This is in no part the fault of bl85c, he shipped the package and usps dropped the ball.

Hoping it's one of those rare instances that it's not scanned until it's delivered, although I have had many packages sent via usps, they have always been scanned regularly, yet this package has been in route to the sort facility since the 13th.

project89

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thats odd but if they lost it or it got delayed it shoudl say exception on the tracking page

im heading out of town a lil later today so i wont be back on till late tongiht

friggen 120 mile drive today to go do my grocery shopping

willexoIX

Damn, well hopefully you catch this before you leave, wayyyyyyyyy too lean.

willexoIX

its undriveable lean. when I give it gas, it maxes out the AFR gauge to ---. no power whatsoever. Its like it wants to stop when I give it gas.

The idle is good though, I almost dont have to give it gas to start it, just a little and it starts right up, When I try to drive it, different story.

project89

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checking now , i may have pulled to much ae out of it

project89

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ok i only added back some ve fuel looks like ae is still a tad rich at low rpm

try this and let me know soon as u can i have about 30 mins before i leave

edit btw , ur never supposed to tune ve and ae at the same time, like i did on ver 3 lmao

willexoIX

I have to recalibrate the TPS again cause I had to screw with the idle, When I started it it dropped to around 6-700 rpms and stalled after I calibrated the tps.

willexoIX

The beginning is 1/4 pedal to 1/2 pedal, towards the end is 3/4 pedal.
Much better lol, heres the log

Oh and it started without me having to touch the pedal

willexoIX

Looks like its still glitching though, the power wire no longer runs by the dizzy and coil..

project89

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i took out about to much fuel before trying to lean it out , about .4 msec worth to much

dont know if u saw my post edit lol never try to tune ae and ve at the same time

same goes for spark and ve

looking at dl now ill post up some quick changes if needed

willexoIX

Yea I saw that, lol. I read in the manual to never tune spark and ve at the same time, its always tune one, then tune the other, and back and forth.

Good thing I didnt have the turbo on yet, that woulda been bad news lol

project89

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its real close , afrs at 3/4 throttle are just a touch lean .

i only saw 2 glitches in the log much less then before, ill keep pan eye on the glitches in the logs , for now its ok


go out and drive the car , give me some nice datalogs, what i want u to do is manually shift so u can hold each gear longer then normal so u can hit each section of the fuel map.
u dont have to make it shift at redline but let the engine rev up a lil bit


do some at light throttle , then some more, then mid throttle etc , dont go wot yet u can if u want but watch the afr gauge if its over 13.5 @ wot back off for now

ae needs a lil more tweaking its a touch rich in the upper low range , and lower mid range taking away .2 msec out of those cells should clear it up

willexoIX

Sounds good, Ill have another datalog or 2 when you get back on. Thanks!

project89

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hows it feel power wise compared to the stock ecm?

i still have very limited timing in it and afrs arent dead on yet so it will pick up a bunch

willexoIX

Butt dyno says at least 20 more horse, but thats debatable. It definitely is faster, especially 1/4 and 1/2 pedal. and that was with the first tune. This current one feels about the same as the first tune, maybe a little more power, but I cant be certain

However, that could be because I havent driven it in a little bit, lol. And the exhaust is LOUD. Pretty much a 1 foot straight pipe with a muffler and about 6 inches of pipe after that. What can I say, it sounds better than a full exhaust system, lol. Ill post a starting video soon.

willexoIX

Miraculously the package is out for delivery, with no scans from CO, all the way to my post office in FL. Hmm, either they contracted it out to fedex/ups, or they just never scanned it until now. At least I know Im getting it today

Ill post up pics when I get it, Feels like Christmas all over again

willexoIX

WOOT WOOT! Got the turbo setup! In the next couple days/weeks I need to start accumulating parts(gaskets, misc hardware, couplers for the intercooler, etc...), And start planning for the scoop for the intercooler in the hood.

Heres a pic of the setup, and a little teaser pic of something I picked up from an Air Force supply site, I think its a nice little touch

Getting closer and closer!

project89

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Lol I need one of those for my parachute for street driving so it don't accidentally deploy

willexoIX

Minimum order was $20 or so, but they have excellent prices. I got 2 of the kind I took the pic of, and 2 of another style, Both are 6 inches long.

Heres the site I got them off of
http://aeroconsystems.com/cart/remov...-flight-flags/

I thought it would be pretty neat and catch people off guard

bl85c

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Lol remove before flight.

willexoIX

Hey, its different
Definitely make people look twice, lol

project89

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datalogs?

willexoIX

Here they are, didnt get to it yesterday. Lots of resets, only one from me shutting it off to get gas.

willexoIX

Ill grab another one in a little bit. Still cuts out a little bit in first, but its not a lean cutout, maybe a spark cut out? Key on not started i get both ignition LEDs on, after starting there is only the ignition led by the connector on if that means anything. Other than that she runs much better now. Had a couple spots where it leans out to around 17 ish but i let off to let it richen up.

project89

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taking the wife to work ill take a look when i get back

project89

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something i should mention is i need datalogs after the warmup enrichment is finished , the entire first half of that datalog it was in warmup mode


i was able to tune out those lean spots though

i only saw 2-3 glitches in the whole log , but megalog viewer dont show me the amount of resets

do u have an aftermarket coil on the car by anychance , may have to ground the other end of the shielding on the ignition wire to the distributor

and yes both outer lights will be on with key on engine off , and u will only see the one nearest the connector lit when engine is on

willexoIX

Could it be that as far as I know its the original coil? I bought the car in 09, but I dont know if it was replaced before then. It does still have the egr solenoid bracket on it. It reset something like 13 times when i was datalogging it. Im on the mobile app, did you upload another tune?

Ill have to go down to mcdonalds to download it, im at my friends house. But after that it should be warmed up and ill take it on the highway for the next datalog if thats good. I still dont have the tcc connected yet, still trying to decide how I want to do the lockup. A couple pages back there is a post with a link to a couple options for tcc wireup.at the least id like to have lockup in 3rd and 4th, with power routed through the brake switch to unlock under braking

project89

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yeah new tune uploaded , i added a lil bit of fuel in those lean spots , hopefully not to much as those 36.6 injectors seem to be touchy lol

dont worrk about lockup switch right away , ive been driving my v6 car without a lockup ever since i put the turbo on it never hurt the trans even witht he really high stall converter


btw u can have ms control the converter lockup

willexoIX

not the longest datalog, should all be after warmup.
All highway, up to about 112-114mph, 3/4 pedal.

Ill grab another good one in a little while.

project89

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lol talk about beating it like a red headed step child , about 17 seconds 0-114
it will pull harder in 3rd gear once i add more timing in , but i know that timing map is safe for the turbo so im not going to mess with it for now

afrs are okish across the board .5 lean in a few spots @ wot , and a lil rich in a few spots while cruising

ae enrichments are still a bit to rich , u can see when u open the thottle the afr takes a huge dive then comes back up , leaning them out a some will help the motor have a better throttle responce

edit

btw if that wa sinfact only 3/4 throttle u need to calibarte the tps for wot , as it was showing 96% tps

willexoIX

Well i never went to the floor so it coulda been closer to WOT then I thought. Tps is off again though cause im trying to nail down the idle. It seems to travel a little bit. I did forget to recalibrate it again, lol so its probably a little off.

Btw its a turbo off of an 84 mercedes diesel 300D. Trim could be .45 or .55, not 100% sure. TAO314. Its a 3.0l, so pretty close to my displacement. Did a little research last night on it.

fasteddi

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I looked up the comp map of that turbo and I will bet you will be upgrading soon as you get addicted to boost because that turbo will run out of steam fast if you plan on going fast. Just my 2 cents.

project89

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that thing seems like a pretty small turbo , i cant find the compressor wheel specs though , the idle will change a lil bit as i or u tune it , so unless the idle goes realy high or low between new tunes id just leave it alone

down the road pick one of theese up
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GT35-3582-Turbo-Charger-Comp-0-70-A-R-4-Bolt-Exhaust-Flange-T3-Manifold-Flange-/271367614342?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2ec52f86&vxp=mtr

willexoIX

I know i will probably go bigger at some point, but I wanted to start small so I can learn as much as I can out of the experience. I think it will be ok for a daily driver for now, which is what I was aiming for to start. I will probably stick with it for awhile until I go the hybrid route.

I have already learned alot from this thread and numerous others, and from a bunch of members either involved with this thread or helping out.

project89

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lol u say that now , but once u see how much power a turbo add,s and u get comfortable with it , u will be on here asking how to get more lol

i give it about 2-3 weeks after u install the turbo kit

bl85c

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No joke, I had the same turbo on my 2.8, took it to 15psi and decided that wasn't enough so I put the n2o on it again and ended blowing it up haha. The response was really nice though, not laggy like larger stuff.

willexoIX

I already got a manual boost controller, lol. I anticipated that early. TBH I don't think I will push it past 15psi. Remember it needs to be a DD. But that doesnt mean I cant build a hybrid on the side. I'm actually looking at getting a 89 s-10. If I do both of the above, Ill probably rebuild the current 2.8, leave the turbo on and drop it in the s-10, then drop the hybrid with a bigger turbo in the RS

15 psi is probably about where this turbo will become inefficient, even with the IC correct?

willexoIX

I was also tossing around ideas for the intercooler, and being its a smaller one Id like to go as efficient as possible, So I will be doing a top mount setup for the IC, Located to the right and behind the rad, on a 45ish degree angle. That way the output of the IC is a straight shot to the TB. A couple 90* elbows, and a 45* aluminum pipe should be all I need for IC tubing.

Looking through some google images of TMICs, it seems that in order to spread the airflow evenly across the IC, I will have to do a couple horizontal splitters in the scoop. If I dont, the majority of the airflow will be pushed towards the top of the IC, limiting the cooling effect.

It'll be a recessed scoop, nothing too crazy. I have a welder and am learning to weld, so the hood scoop should be pretty easy to start with.

So heres what I will need for the setup as of right now,
Misc bolts for the turbo headers
Misc couplings for the IC
Thick compressible header gaskets
Heat blanket and header wrap
Oil lines and a bung for the pan
Misc tbolt clamps

All of which should run me right around $200 or so

bl85c

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Yes that turbo starts pushing hot air at that pressure.

project89

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do urself a favor do not do a top mount intercooler

get one of theese and stick it in the nose this will fit right in with tons of room to spare
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-ALUMINUM-18-x12-x3-BAR-PLATE-RACING-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-/290933298881?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43bcf9d6c1&vxp=mtr
or u can buy a full kit like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8PCS-MANDREL-BENT-PIPING-PIPE-KIT-BLACK-FMIC-FRONT-MOUNT-ALUMINUM-INTERCOOLER-/230946109604?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35c575f8a4&vxp=mtr
or u can get the big boy intercooler
http://www.ebay.com/itm/S13-S14-S15-180SX-CA18-SILVIA-R32-33-34-35-Intercooler-31-x-12-x-3-delta-fin-3-/390745010254?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2004%7CSubmodel%3AX&hash=item5afa37b04e&vxp=mtr

get one with 3 inch in and outlets


edit actually the last one is not the big boy one , the big boy one is the 32x14x4 , which is what im running on my iroc

willexoIX

The current ic I have is 9 1/2w by 7 1/2 tall by 2 3/4 thick. I'm set on the intercooler and for now I want to do as little tubing as possible for efficiency. I'm very limited on funds now so I'm working with what I have. When I go bigger with the turbo, I'll go bigger with the ic.

I completely understand that a fmic will be better, but like I said, I'm working with what I have. I literally have like a $300 budget left for everything, and I'm already like $1100 or $1200 total as of right now. It's gonna be tight, but I picked cheap and reliable, lol, fast wasn't part of the equation. Plus I may wind up having to wait till next month to pick up the rest of the stuff I need cause my dad just bought a garage for the pontoon boat, lol.