1991tealRSt-topGuy

thinking about the 3.4 i am considering building.......i am now wondering about building a carbed 350 instead.......i know this upsets you v6 guys........but i just dont know what to do.......how hard would it be to pass emissions with a carbed 350???? say its a mild engine with about 250/300 HP.............also.....how would i go about fitting my EGR system onto it??? this way 2, i can bypass all the computer nonsense involved..............is there anything else that would have to be drastically changed..............besides the tranny, springs, exhaust, radiator....???

fiream

How about cutting and welding in new motor mounts those are a B**** to install, and if you don't line them up right your engine will sit ****-eyed. stick with the v6, don't be a square, be a circle, be different, break the mold, you can get 300+hp out of a v6 you know, example Turbo Trans Am, 325hp stock, wouldn't you feel good if you beat a V8 with a v6, think about how bad the guy with the v8 would feel. He would be pissed to see a 300+hp V6 kick his @$$ it's the great kick in the pants, beaten by a v6.

Rob

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Chevy 2.8L 60° V6
Mods:
•K&N Filter Lid
•87 Formula Hood
•Bosch Platinum +4
•Hi-Flo CatCo CAT
•Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler
•83 Trans Am 15x7 Turbo Fin Wheels
•B.F.Goodrich Radial T/A 225/60-15
•Chevy 2.8L Heddman Headers (Going on soon)


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1991tealRSt-topGuy

yeah, i guess your right.......i just dont know what to do with the computer problem i'll prolly have when i put a worked 3.4 under my hood

SSC

I would check around the motor swap board.
Basicly you need a "complete" v8 car for all the goodies. I would post a topic in motor swap "2.8 to 350 swap, but need to pass emmisions still" somthing along those lines.
SSC

87RS402

That's a load of BS. It doesn't involve any cutting or welding, the holes are right there in the crossmember for V-8 and V-6 mounts. Emissions are going to be a problem, your not going to pass a carbed V-8 through an emissions test for a EFI V-6. You could always go with an EFI V-8. That you could get by with.

I'll add, stick to what you want, be yourself and build the car you want. Not the car that other people want. You have to drive it. You made the payments on it.

Red91Bird

Cutting and welding V8 mounts? ummmm no.... Your V6 car comes with the V8 holes already in the frame. Its a matter of taking out the old ones and putting in the new. use the forward most holes. You will have to move the passenger brake line to do this. I have talked with people who have done this and they say the HARDEST part was installing the new V8 mounts. The rearend will work - its a V8 rearend already, your drive line should matchup with a turbo 350 tranny. You will need a adapter plate for the tranny (75 to 90 bucks), the exhaust from the cat back will work for a V8. The front springs will work - altho the car will sit a inch lower and not handle as well unless you change em to V8 front springs. You can get a carb'ed 350 to pass on emissions - i have SEEN it done here in texas - tune the carb out and run it leaner. Where you will have your problem is the VIN check to visual check. You will need a V8 radiator as well. All in all it is a 1 week job and NOT impossible to do. Search the swap boards and ask questions of those that have done it. Its not a easy thing to do but it is possible and can be done.


David

x55Cam

I've done the swap but went to a big block HO454. The motor mounts just have to be repositioned forward to a different set of holes on the frame. You can go for a TH350 or 400 but you'll have to by an adapter kit from B&M for example and recut the drive shaft shoerter. Forget about re-using the tach in the dash since it is electronically calibrated for a v6. You'll have to buy a whole new cluster that was in a v8 car. I may be selling one if your interested. I guess you're not worried about a visual emissions inspection, otherwise it would fail as soon as the hood is opened.

IMO, it would be much easier and less headaches to find a scrapped Camaro with a v8 and do a change over or just sell your car. It really isn't worth the hassle.

Jason E

Dude, this should be a dead issue...even if it was a snap to throw in, you will NEVER pass NJ dyno emissions. No carbed, basic 350 will be able to pass the sniffer in a car meant to have a 3.1 MPFI. If you go all the way and do a 350 TPI and hook EVERYTHING up right, you will probably not have a problem...

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Jason E

'89 Camaro RS
-Medium Grey Metallic
-2.8, A4, T-tops, 92k miles
-Hypertech chip, Accel wires/coil/K&Ns
-Alpine 60x4 and Bostons

'97 Z28
-30th Anniversary package (white with orange stripes)
-LT1, M6, t-tops, 44k miles
-Eclipse CD and 10" Aluminum sub in JL Audio Stealth box, Boston RM speakers, Xtant 403a amp

Speed Kills...Wanna live forever? Drive a Ford.
Long Live #3...

1991tealRSt-topGuy

yaa, screw an 8.........too much work........i'll save that project for when i buy my own house and want to build a 1991 572 Z28........hehehehe

yeah, plus i wanna show those 8 guys what our 6's are capable of

fiream

v6 all the way baby!!!!

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Chevy 2.8L 60° V6
Mods:
•K&N Filter Lid
•87 Formula Hood
•Bosch Platinum +4
•Hi-Flo CatCo CAT
•Flowmaster 80 Series Muffler
•83 Trans Am 15x7 Turbo Fin Wheels
•B.F.Goodrich Radial T/A 225/60-15
•Chevy 2.8L Heddman Headers (Going on soon)


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Kyle F

On a side note to this, would you believe some guy with a ram air laughed when he saw my TTA this weekend. He said why dont you take that V6 out and put in a 350? Who want a performance car with a V6? I kinda chuckeled and asked if he would like to race them?
He said your kidding right, you actually think you can even keep up?

So I took him out to the back road and handed him his *** and quickly went home. THe car doesn't have plates yet because I haven't got it inspected by the Highway PAtrol. So I have to be real careful about having it on the road.

The response heard later...."What the hell is that thing?"

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

1991tealRSt-topGuy

thats awesome, Kyle, but yeah.....i'm just gonna need ALOT of help and adviced on the 3.4 i am going to be building....so bear with me with all my posts and questions .........i want it to perform like no other!!!!!!

1991tealRSt-topGuy

oh yeah, good news, i got in contact with Summit and they said they can get me custom pistons for a 3.4

Brian Felts

I agree that you have to build what you want, but a 350 is a lot easier to get power out of.

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

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Brian K

Do it... But if your going to build it build it right.. Research chevy high performance and gm high tech.. Build a small block 400, some nice 342 rear gears with a posi, and a nice 700R4......

1991tealRSt-topGuy

well, i think i made up my mind........a Trans Am would be nice to add to the collection and i can get them here for dirt cheap............i'll keep the camaro and get a Trans Am once i can save enuff money.............my friend was actually gonna sell me his 89 305 TBI trans am for $2200, but my good old mom stepped in and said no................she doesnt want 2 cars that symbolize 80's white trash in her driveway........well F**K her.......cuz i turn 18 next month and i'll just keep the TA parked across the street heh

Kyle F

Whit trash huh, well I have one of the nicest cars that GM ever made. How does that figure into whit trash. GOd that really pissed me off. These are nice cars and white trash cant even Fu(king afford a nice one. MAn Fu(k that $hit!!!!!

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

1991tealRSt-topGuy

now Kyle, you realize that white trash opinion is my mom's and not mine right..............ok cool......like i meant no offense, i was just describing the way SHE thinks........ i think my camaro is made of friggin gold!!!!!!!!!!!! so be mad at her, not me..........(everythings cool now, right?)

KED85

https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/001462.html

That's pretty much what ya need to know.
Anything else, is up to you.
I'd leave engine like it is and find out how much fun you can have buying a used, low milage running engine and slipping it under the hood, as is. IF the rest of your foundation (tranny, ignition, fuel system, chassis) is in good shape, then your mission is lots easier
Then add a 125 HP NOS kit and see what happens.
These 125 HP NOS kits were designed for street engines, as is, no fancy this or that, just slapping the kit on the engine and running with the BIG DOGS!

I'm getting my Firebird back today with the rebuilt tranny. The tranny guy confirmed what I always suspected, the previous tranny was worked upon and that's it, not done well. My tranny guy beefed up my tranny, slightly, because he knew I had a strong engine.
I can't wait.
I fix ignition problem, add my ram air idea and paint the fender. I already have a new rear tire, which I need, as I've almost worn it out, doing my 50 foot one leg burn outs (after the 3.4 swap)!
I want to try it at the races, real bad. Let every one know how well a 3.4 stock swap can perform.
I'd like to know too!!
Never drag raced at the track, YET.
Hey, atleast I admit it!
But, never lost a street race back in Van Nuys in the 80's. Against real cars (GTOs, Chargers, Chevelles, Porsche 911SC), not a rice cake.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Kyle F

now Kyle, you realize that white trash opinion is my mom's and not mine right..............ok cool......like i meant no offense, i was just describing the way SHE thinks........ i think my camaro is made of friggin gold!!!!!!!!!!!! so be mad at her, not me..........(everythings cool now, right?)

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I wasn't mad at you, I was just mad at the fact that someone said that, beside don't white trash usually Drive Ford trucks?

1991tealRSt-topGuy

yaaaaaa.......well i made up my mind......screw the raise in compression......i'm gonna order the 3.4 brand new from paceparts.com when the time comes.....its $1500

PLUS, i get a warranty.....(which will prolly void once i slap the nitro on) i gotta keep my parents happy

i MITE throw a cam in it though and prolly the rockers...........

Brian K

Nooooo.. Think LT1....

1991tealRSt-topGuy

HeHe....yeah LT-1.....an LT-1 is for corvettes!!! haha my camaro's a 6 and its gonna stay a 6 hehe

yeh...if i want an LT-1 that badly, i'll just buy a corvette when i get 20 grand.......i'm still deciding what kinda car to get when i get my new job next year........i'm keeping the camaro, so dont fret
here are my options:
68-72 Corvette Convertible
69 Camaro
94-96 Corvette
2000 Camaro SS
78 Silver Anniversary Corvette
1970 Camaro

what do you guys think?

KED85

Funny, from your list, those are cars I already have.
And I am building a LT-1 engine to slip under the hood of my 1967 Camaro.
I gave away a 1969 Camaro and a1969 Firebird, recently, too.
Had to, 5 cars, one motorcycle no room.
BUT, now 4 outta 5 cars move finally! Motorcycle is next to get moving, real close.
Go find a used 3.4, it's easy and less expensive.
Just drop it under your hood and have fun. Add NOS for more fun.
BUT, you'll need a tranny first!!!! I know, I just got my 3.4 Firebird back with rebuilt tranny.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

1991tealRSt-topGuy

yeh......hmmmmm......i would like to do a used one but my parents want me to do a brand new one........friggin parents.........i'm still gonna have to persuade them to lemme get the 70 vette or whatever i happen to get about one year from now.........i'm prolly gonna do the 3.4 with a cam, rockers and 90 HP nitro.........that should get me running......what high 14's?



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Slayer of the following:
2000 saturn
198? Ford Crown Vic, (no i don't know why he bothered)
1990 Buick LeSabre 3.8
1986 Camaro 2.8
Newer Ford Explorer
Food that makes me sick: RICE
1991 Camaro RS 3.1 V6 5-speed
1991 Z28 Rims
dual snorkel intake
my motto: I CAN'T DRIVE 55

TechSmurf

You. .. gave away.. .. a .. .. '69.. camaro... .. *sigh* uhh.. Ked, next time you're planning on giving away a '69, lemme know.. my dream at the moment is a '69 RS/SS =P

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'86 Camaro SC, black /w silver racing stripes
2.8l MPFI/700r4 /w special 2nd gear delete option
In search of new v8 engine & transmission, now contemplating t5 swap to get me out of this mess.
Misc Mods: Cut air box, '83 Firebird spoiler.
Performance Parts: MSD coil, Accel 8mm wires, SplitFire plugs, Gabriel hijackers.
Audio Mods: Pioneer DEH-P3000, two 12" Optimus Pro Audio subs in hand-made enclosure each powered by a 260 watt Optimus amp. Working on shaving the box for weight.
My Homepage, with pics.

KED85

Yeah.
Let me give ya what came with the car.
NO front/back windows
NO doors
NO front end nor subframe
NO rear quarter panels
NO trunk lid
NO steering wheel nor column
NO TITLE
BUT, I did take the
12 bolt
Front head rest seats.
Chrome pedal trim
Headliner trim and sun visors.
I gave the rest to my friend at a wrecking yard to dispose of. It was in a shop, guy wanted it gone and it was there for reasons of non payment. He owned posession.
WHEN my future father in law found it in the garage of his house on a metal frame, I had to ditch it quick!
I TRIED TO SELL IT SO BAD!
For three months.
Boy, what he flipping out a bit!!
One thing he couldn't complain about.
No oil leaks in the garage
I wish I knew of this place, then.
HEY, I just tried to give away a 1969 Firebird, here. NO takers, either.
AND THAT ONE I HAD THE TITLE TO!
And yes, it is still up for grabs!
Email me, I'll tell ya the details.


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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA