bah...i'm gonna ditch the flowmaster
05-18-2001, 12:46 AM
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bah...i'm gonna ditch the flowmaster
i'm tired of it. it's too loud...especially when i have to go uphill. my car will be screaming and i'm going like 20 mph. there are times when it sounds badass but the interior resonance is a lil' annoying. anybody know how much a stock muffler costs???? my guess would be $30....
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80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
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05-18-2001, 09:23 AM
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hey forget the stock muffler, just get a dynomax super turbo, I think they run about 50 bucks. They real quiet, but they have a slight rumble to them and they flow real well.
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Cheat,
Go to the yards and pic one up.
Sounds like you have a two chamber Flowmaster.
That's what I have on my S-10 Blazer.
Sounded cool for awhile.
Wish Flowmaster had a buy-back program for dissatisfied owners of the two chamber mufflers, who wish to upgrade to a three chamber. I'd be in line!
I'd sell mine, to anyone that wants it, it's an in-line muffler, 1 - 2 1/2" in & 2 - 2" out.
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Go to the yards and pic one up.
Sounds like you have a two chamber Flowmaster.
That's what I have on my S-10 Blazer.
Sounded cool for awhile.
Wish Flowmaster had a buy-back program for dissatisfied owners of the two chamber mufflers, who wish to upgrade to a three chamber. I'd be in line!
I'd sell mine, to anyone that wants it, it's an in-line muffler, 1 - 2 1/2" in & 2 - 2" out.
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05-18-2001, 04:10 PM
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yea i have a 3chamber on mine with the 3" in and out and i love the sound..
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05-20-2001, 09:28 PM
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Hey Cali,What are you going to do with your flowmaster muffler? Cause if it would fit on my dynomax 2 1/2 in and 2 1/2 dual out cat back and it doesn't have too many miles on it, I could take it off your hands for you. I also might trade my brand new super turbo muffler (too quiet for me but probably good for you) for your flowmaster.Anyway get back to me or E-mail me at A1N7T@Aol .com. Later
05-21-2001, 12:49 AM
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Car: 1991 CAMARO 1968 FIREBIRD
Engine: CAMARO 3.1L FIREBIRD 455
Transmission: CAMARO 700R4 FIREBIRD TH-400
IO have a 2 Chamber and yes i like it but late at night whn im driving and its all loud and i have green things in my ca and dont wana get pulled ver it stands out. I got plled over for my muffler being TOO Loud gotta love CHP. i think it would sondbetter on a 8
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Hey Cali; What are you going to do with your flowmaster muffler?Cause I just got a brand new Dynomax cat back and it has a super turbo mufffler with 2 1/2 in and dual 2 1/2 exits.Don't like the sound (too quiet for me but from what you say,nice for you).Anyway assuming that the flowmaster will fit with my exhaust and your muffler is in good shape,maybe I could take the flowmaster off your hands or we could trade or something? Give me a reply on the board or you could e-mail me at A1N7T@aol.com with a reply Thanks
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ADAM NEAL:
Hey Cali; What are you going to do with your flowmaster muffler?Cause I just got a brand new Dynomax cat back and it has a super turbo mufffler with 2 1/2 in and dual 2 1/2 exits.Don't like the sound (too quiet for me but from what you say,nice for you).Anyway assuming that the flowmaster will fit with my exhaust and your muffler is in good shape,maybe I could take the flowmaster off your hands or we could trade or something? Give me a reply on the board or you could e-mail me at A1N7T@aol.com with a reply Thanks
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Hey Cali; What are you going to do with your flowmaster muffler?Cause I just got a brand new Dynomax cat back and it has a super turbo mufffler with 2 1/2 in and dual 2 1/2 exits.Don't like the sound (too quiet for me but from what you say,nice for you).Anyway assuming that the flowmaster will fit with my exhaust and your muffler is in good shape,maybe I could take the flowmaster off your hands or we could trade or something? Give me a reply on the board or you could e-mail me at A1N7T@aol.com with a reply Thanks
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05-21-2001, 02:40 AM
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ok, lemme try to measure it.....how the hell can i not have one goddamn ruler in my whole house?
EDIT: ok, i found a ruler. The muffler has 2 1/2 inch exits and 2 1/4 inlet. But any exhaust shop can make an adapter. It's only a quarter of an inch.
[This message has been edited by CaliCamaroRS (edited May 21, 2001).]
EDIT: ok, i found a ruler. The muffler has 2 1/2 inch exits and 2 1/4 inlet. But any exhaust shop can make an adapter. It's only a quarter of an inch.
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05-21-2001, 04:44 PM
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aww, crap. Well i went down to Midas today and the guy was like "oh no, well, i'll have to cut this off and then add some pipe here and add some pipe there and blah blah blah and installation will be $50 instead of $20 and it will take 3 hours Blah blah" so i left. I don't have 3 hours and i don't want to pay $100 especially because i'm gonna get promoted soon and i will have to buy a LOT of tools plus i'm gonna get braces which are gonna cost about 4 grand. So i dunno what i'm gonna do with the car right now......
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1990 3.1L RS
80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
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80 Series Flowmaster
It's fast(er than a 3 cyl metro)
05-21-2001, 05:06 PM
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Find an independent guy.
Ask what 1 hour labor cost is, first.
I have to have pipes put on my 1974 Corvette.
I've got the pipes.
He'll charge me 1 hour about $50-60.
What about a welder in the body shop section at work?
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Ask what 1 hour labor cost is, first.
I have to have pipes put on my 1974 Corvette.
I've got the pipes.
He'll charge me 1 hour about $50-60.
What about a welder in the body shop section at work?
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I dunno, we'll see.....
05-21-2001, 10:54 PM
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Try
Mission Road
or
El Monte
or in LA somewhere.
Ask where your dealership farms out the body work.
2 six packs and it's done.
MAKE SURE you have it with you all the time. When you score, you're ready.
When it's up on the lift, go get the beer.
I hear it'll be 100 tomorrow.
I know of several muffler places here at the beach.
BUT, there are lots of options out by you!
Tools,
SWAP MEETS!
Long Beach is great for buying tools!
2nd Sunday every month!
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Mission Road
or
El Monte
or in LA somewhere.
Ask where your dealership farms out the body work.
2 six packs and it's done.
MAKE SURE you have it with you all the time. When you score, you're ready.
When it's up on the lift, go get the beer.
I hear it'll be 100 tomorrow.
I know of several muffler places here at the beach.
BUT, there are lots of options out by you!
Tools,
SWAP MEETS!
Long Beach is great for buying tools!
2nd Sunday every month!
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05-22-2001, 09:11 AM
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Dan, you can do the muffler yourself, and you won't have to add pipe. Will the inlet of the muffler you're adding be the same as the intermediate pipe on the car now? If it's not, you might need some of those pipe adapters... they go from 2.5 inch down to 2 inch, and they're like 6 inches long...
But, if the inlet's the same size and you don't need an adapter, you can take a hammer and screwdriver, and bang between the muffler flange and i-pipe. This will ruin the muffler flange, and distort the i-pipe. You can fix the I-pipe with a "tailpipe stretcher". The tailpipe stretcher can do two things- it will bring an out-of-round tailpipe back to round, and it can actually stretch the metal to expand a pipe to another size.
I paid $30 for my Lisle one from Pep Boys, but you should be able to rent the tailpipe stretcher from a big auto store. (Pep Boys or AutoZone or Strauss or etc). Hopefully they work like Pep Boys- rental is free!! Pep Boys requires a deposit equal to that of the tool cost, and then you get ALL that money back when you return the tool. If you don't return the tool in a week, keep it, because they keep the deposit- and you bought the tool.
Use a ton of pentrating oil, like Liquid Wrench, on the joints a day or so before you attack it.
Another way of removing a muffler from a pipe is to cut the muffler flange lengthwise. This puts a slit in the muffler flange, and you pry the muffler flange apart with a screwdriver, which reduces the damage to the pipe. I have no idea how you'd cut that slit, though, so don't ask.
I guess an air-powered cut-off tool would do it... because no way can you get a hacksaw to go lengthwise on the flange.
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But, if the inlet's the same size and you don't need an adapter, you can take a hammer and screwdriver, and bang between the muffler flange and i-pipe. This will ruin the muffler flange, and distort the i-pipe. You can fix the I-pipe with a "tailpipe stretcher". The tailpipe stretcher can do two things- it will bring an out-of-round tailpipe back to round, and it can actually stretch the metal to expand a pipe to another size.
I paid $30 for my Lisle one from Pep Boys, but you should be able to rent the tailpipe stretcher from a big auto store. (Pep Boys or AutoZone or Strauss or etc). Hopefully they work like Pep Boys- rental is free!! Pep Boys requires a deposit equal to that of the tool cost, and then you get ALL that money back when you return the tool. If you don't return the tool in a week, keep it, because they keep the deposit- and you bought the tool.
Use a ton of pentrating oil, like Liquid Wrench, on the joints a day or so before you attack it.
Another way of removing a muffler from a pipe is to cut the muffler flange lengthwise. This puts a slit in the muffler flange, and you pry the muffler flange apart with a screwdriver, which reduces the damage to the pipe. I have no idea how you'd cut that slit, though, so don't ask.
I guess an air-powered cut-off tool would do it... because no way can you get a hacksaw to go lengthwise on the flange.------------------
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05-22-2001, 09:44 AM
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You can (been there) but, you do NOT want to.
Good idea, tho. And, yep, it can work.
I think Dan has figured out his solution.
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Good idea, tho. And, yep, it can work.
I think Dan has figured out his solution.
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05-22-2001, 03:22 PM
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Thanks guys. Personally, i didn't see what the problem was. I think this guy was just trying to BS me. If he had just cut the old one out and put the new one in, my tailpipes would have been like 1-2 inches closer to each other. NOT a big deal.
Karl, i usually go to Mike's Muffler in El Monte. He's a good guy, it's just that it's too far away....but i might end up giving him a call.
Karl, i usually go to Mike's Muffler in El Monte. He's a good guy, it's just that it's too far away....but i might end up giving him a call.
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El Monte is FAR from the beach.
El Monte is not that far from Pasadena.
Hope your AC works today. Sure is hot out there!
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El Monte is not that far from Pasadena.
Hope your AC works today. Sure is hot out there!
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05-22-2001, 08:33 PM
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I forgot to tell you, those bastards gave me a junk compressor so i asked for another one and they gave me one with the wrong pulley on it. The small pulley made the tensioner bottom out and it wasn't doing it's job so my belt started bouncing up and down and the belt HIT my upper radiator hose and took a frieking chunk out of my hose!!!!! I sent it back and got my money back but all the BS caused me to use about 10 lbs of R-12. (but i only paid for 3, tee hee). So now i'm out $100 and still have no A/C.........i have some real good luck sometimes, don't I?------------------
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05-23-2001, 12:07 AM
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Hey, let me know what your going to do when you find out.This whole thing kinda turned into a pain in the **** for you huh.If you can't do anything,don't worry about it.I'll just keep the super turbo for now and buy a new 80 series later. Peace out
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I'm bummed to hear ya on that AC detail.
Sounded like you scored, but, it bit ya. Damn.
I've got someone, up the street, that'll test & charge my AC for $75. I do any needed repairs, but, I'm shown where to repair. O rings are easy.
Did your compressor look like it was leaking? I know you used leak tester to show that answer, but, any leaking signs (fluid stains, freon burns) before you did the test?
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Sounded like you scored, but, it bit ya. Damn.
I've got someone, up the street, that'll test & charge my AC for $75. I do any needed repairs, but, I'm shown where to repair. O rings are easy.
Did your compressor look like it was leaking? I know you used leak tester to show that answer, but, any leaking signs (fluid stains, freon burns) before you did the test?
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05-23-2001, 03:31 PM
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We put dye in the system and found a leak at the low pressure switch O-ring. Replaced that, put more freon in it, and out of nowhere the outer seal of the compressor started leaking. So that's all i need is a goddamn compressor......
05-23-2001, 06:05 PM
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Want to travel into LA for one?
LOOK IN THE LA BUSINESS YELLOW PAGES FOR COMPRESSOR REBUILDERS! Auto parts, rebuilders section.
Some are out by you, real close.
I know, like you, really surprised that you got a bum one. It seems you can only test those compressor things, by filling system, even to leak test it.
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LOOK IN THE LA BUSINESS YELLOW PAGES FOR COMPRESSOR REBUILDERS! Auto parts, rebuilders section.
Some are out by you, real close.
I know, like you, really surprised that you got a bum one. It seems you can only test those compressor things, by filling system, even to leak test it.
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05-29-2001, 02:04 AM
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OK, dude, wallet permitting, i'm going to a muffler shop tommorow to put a stocker back on...i'll let you know.
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05-29-2001, 10:48 PM
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put a stocker back on?? NOOOO! if your going to do that, at least get a super turbo,quieter then a flow yet more flow then stock...
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Ram Hi-po clutch, Cold Air, 1.6 rockers,Lakewood LCA's, Lakewood Lift bars, Wonder Bar, 3" y-pipe, Random Tech Cat, 3" I-pipe, Flowmasters, MSd 6a, MSD Coil (Fireball in future) Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Ignition Module, Auto Meter Gauges (Water, Clock (needed one) Fuel Pressure, and 5" monster tach) 4th Gen Seats
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(Who says drumsets are cheap? selling my car to get a new one..) EMAIL ME!
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BTW..if u want a new one, try about 110 bucks from gm (not including removal/installation)
BTW..theres someone locally to me who does compressor rebuilding, if u want the contact info email me and ill send it to you
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BTW..theres someone locally to me who does compressor rebuilding, if u want the contact info email me and ill send it to you
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(Who says drumsets are cheap? selling my car to get a new one..) EMAIL ME!
" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".
[This message has been edited by Graeme'sFirebird (edited May 29, 2001).]
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WOOHOO, my car is so quiet now. I love it!! BTW, i ended up paying $90 installed. New sig time...
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