thadd47

has anyone converted from a 2.8 to a 3.1?

Monkie

That would be pretty stupid.

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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

knighthelm

Why would it be stupid?

ONEFINE8T9

couse they are vertually the same

Graeme'sFirebird

so converting to an engine with higher power is stupid? SO converting to a 3.4 is stupid since its the same block and accesories and heads as a 2.8?

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88 Firebird 2.8
MODS (either coming or on):
Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A
Currently Working On:
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Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

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Monkie

Thank you! Glad to hear someone knows what they're talkin about.

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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Monkie

Ummmm no... The 3.4L is 1: newer and 2: a whole different engine. Oh and also faster. There isnt that much difference between the 2.8 and 3.1L. 3.4 is a whole different thing.


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Z-28 Exhaust
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TB Coolant bypass

3.1 firebird

get a 3.1 crank and get 3.1 pistons. I;m not sure how they would balance the flywheel and everything, but that needs to be done also. Maybe get a 3.1 harmonic balancer to. You'll probably get a little more torque if you go 2.8>3.1.

Graeme'sFirebird

actually not true monkie...2.8 block bored .060 over. More radical cam, and changed crank. Everything else is identical..t-5, accesories... i can argue for hours if u so choose

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MODS (either coming or on):
Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A
Currently Working On:
t5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

FAST RS

the 3.4 are the same engines.. Only difference is a bigger crank just liek the difference from the 2.8 to 3.1 is a bigger crank

ONEFINE8T9

Graeme'sFirebird
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posted November 14, 2000 04:54 PM
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so converting to an engine with higher power is stupid? SO converting to a 3.4 is stupid since its the same block and everything as a 2.8?

well to change out a motor for a 15 hp power difference would be VERY stupid.


Monkie
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posted November 14, 2000 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by ONEFINE8T9:
couse they are vertually the same
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Thank you! Glad to hear someone knows what they're talkin about.


no prob, glad to hear someone who appriciates my knowledge not to sure on if the 2.8 and 3.4 are the same though

thadd47

guys, i just wanted to know if all my accessories would bolt up. it wouldn't be a swap out, my 2.8 just has 217,xxx miles on it.

thadd

thadd47

i just wanted to know if all the accessories will bolt up. my 2.8 has 217,xxx miles and i just want to be prepared when it dies. i figured that if everything bolts up; i might as well upgrade.

thadd

Graeme'sFirebird

yes they do bolt up. Save urself and just get the 3.4 or the 3.4 DOHC which one of my friends is going to do..

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MODS (either coming or on):
Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A
Currently Working On:
t5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

TomP

I kind of disagree here...

If the 3.1 motor is cheap enough and has less miles then why not? I sure as hell can't afford a 3.4 block!

I'd imagine you'd only change the block, and put all the 2.8 "top" (above the heads) onto the 3.1. I believe the 3.1 has no cold start injector, and might have other minor sensor differences, that would confuse your 2.8's computer.


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Graeme'sFirebird

Sure...i understand that, but usually the 3.4 is almost the same. On ebay right now , 875 bucks for a new engine....damn! the 3.1 conversion kit is 750...

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MODS (either coming or on):
Flowmaster 80 series, Random Technologies Cat, 3" intermediate pipe, Accel 8.8 wires, MSD Coil, MSD Ignition Module,MSD 6A
Currently Working On:
t5 swap
Next to buy:
Slp dual cold air intake!

94Camaro

ok. ONEFINE8T9 and Monkie -

first off, converting from a 2.8L to a 3.1L would not be stupid. its the difference of converting a 350 to a 383. yes there are more power gains to be had by this change, but its the same principle.

a 3.1L motor is simply a stroked 2.8L.

#2) the 3.4L motor is NOT a COMPLETELY different motor. yes, when they make the block they do make it a bit bigger, but only so that the block can accept the large bore size of 3.37xxx" (cant remember all the numbers)

anyway, the crankshaft in the 3.4L and 3.1L are identical, as are the camshaft and lifters. the rocker arms are the same from the 2.8L to the 3.4L and the exhaust and intake manifolds are taken DIRECTLY from the 2.8L to be used on the 3.1L and 3.4L. the block design for the 2.8, 3.1, AND 3.4L is IDENTICAL right down to the integrated water pump (which is a pain in the A$$ to change - i should know, right Graeme?)

saying that:

is wrong. the 3.4L has been around since 1970 and the 3.4L is not that much faster than the 2.8L the 2.8L got stroked to form the 3.1L - jumping from 140 to 150-155HP and then bored out to form the 3.4L - jumping to 160HP and 200' lbs of torque. there isnt that much gain from doing the motors in stages. but if you were to jump from 2.8L to 3.4L, you would see a lot of difference.

and i hate it when people say "it cant be done" just cause they dont know. please get yourselves educated before opening your mouths - thank you.

if anyone needs any questions answered about the 3.4L - you can reach me at Russell@adwire.com

-R
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OWNER 1994 3.4L black Camaro
K&N FIPK, @%#!-up 3" Flowmaster cat-back, Accel steelbraided wires, Accel U-groove plugs, and an igntion problem i'm STILL working on...

(edits include: spelling error-fixing)

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94Camaro

o yea, one more thing. changing from a 2.8L to a 3.1L is not "stupid".

its all in what you can afford. the people that bought v6's did so because they could afford them. they are doing the mods they are doing, because they can "afford" them. if they want to change from a 2.8L to a 3.1L, then by all means let them do it. it is their car and their decision. dont say "its stupid" just cause you wouldn't wanna do it.

-R

thadd47

sweet, thanks for the input guys. everyone's opinion is appreciated.

thadd

Monkie

Graeme'sFirebird

Ok... You are saying the engines are the same but its stupid to install basically the engine you have. SMART!

Why not just go with a 3.4L or a damn V8! not the 3.1L its a nice engine and all but you wont see that much difference.

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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

94Camaro

um hey Monkie, two questions...

#1)when did he say this?
and #2) can i ask why you are knocking the engine that is in your car? i mean if you want a "unique" f-body im sorry to tell ya but GM made a crapload of 3.1L f-bodies.

-R

Monkie

94Camaro

Why dont you scroll up and look yourself. If you can read that well you can see that he says that the 2.8L and 3.4L are basically the same.

Why would you want to convert over to another engine to get 5HP? Wow, you know thats actually a good idea! Oh, no but wait there is the K&N air filter that claims it will give you 5HP. Save your money and get a 3.4L or V8.

And 94Camaro would you please let me know where you found where I said that my engine is "unique"? I know my engine isnt "unique". And first of all how the hell can it be unique? Maybe you meant rare. But unique wasnt the word to use. If I could change my engine to a 3.4L I wouldnt. I would save up for a 350. It makes more sense. And buddy you dont need to put words in people's mouth.

Later.


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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

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swapping out a worn out 2.8 to 3.1 or 3.4 is like going from a 5.0L chevy to a 5.7L or 6.3L(383). It doesn't cost much more than replacing the same size longblock so why not get the bigger engine? everything else is practily the same. But going to a totaly different engine like 60*v6 to V8 is much more involved.

Tas

lol I got one for you: put in a Cadillac Northstar V8. Then you can use the trannies from the 60* v6s

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94Camaro

ok - um, no. he didnt say that. he said:

maybe he shouldnt have put the word everything in there, but i think the rest of us understood that he meant the small stuff such as accesories (are identical) and the heads and lower intake and other items.

Similarities in items:

2.8 3.1 3.4L
Block x x x(made oversize)
Crank x x
Camshaft x x
Lower Intake x x x
Upper Intake x x
Accesories x x x

well you get the idea..

anyway. I said that about your engine being unique cause it seems like you are steering everyone away from the engine you have in your car. I find that kinda odd. I mean most people that come to this board want to
modify their cars, not tell other people that its not worth their time to modify v6 cars. and to only get a v8.

If I could change my engine to a 3.4L I wouldnt. I would save up for a 350. It makes more sense.

only to you. personally i like my 3.4L engine. it has a lot of untapped potential that people dont realize. and ill be happy to show you that when i get it all done anyway. if you wanna keep trying to flame me go ahead, i will have to tell you tho that i am flameproof

-R

p.s. please grow up and stop thinking that everythign everyone says is an insult. if i thot you were something, i would tell you so.

thadd47

okay....look, i never mentioned switching to a 350 because i already have one. this is my daily driver that i couldn't sell because of memories. i was looking for an answer along the lines of:
"yeah, just about everything will fit, i looked into buying a new one and ________store has them pretty cheap. you just have to watch out for ________"
my final decision will be based on cost, and i haven't researched that yet. the only reason i mentioned the 3.1 is because my friend had a stock 91 firebird(v6) that was pretty fast.

thadd

TomP

What the flip?!? He said his 2.8 has many miles, and he wanted to be prepared if the motor dies. He would replace the broken 2.8 with a less-miles 3.1 when the time comes. He's not going after it for the extra HP or two! If he wants to put the engine in, that's not stupid at all!

Now if he asked "I want to raise the HP of my car, should I bother upgrading the 2.8 or should I just switch to a 3.1"- that would be a different story. Obviously it wouldn't be a good idea. He didn't ask that!
C'mon now. Also how many of you can say you can do any kind of motor swap at all?? I've only swapped a trans, not a motor- yet.

I suppose I'll be stupid when I rebuild another 2.8 for my car, eh?


Thadd if you want to go for it, I'm behind you. Everything should fit. Same block = same motor mount holes; same heads (meaning same holes for your accessory brackets); same exhaust manifolds (meaning no custom exhaust required); etc. There might be a problem using the 3.1's top end, since the 3.1's don't use a cold start injector, and they might use a non-adjustable TPS. In other words, your 2.8 computer would be confused, and some of the wires might not hook up to the 3.1's sensors. So, just use the whole top end (intake manifold-up) from the 2.8 on the 3.1.

I believe junkyards are the only source for 3.1's... and they shouldn't want too much- and definately less than any 3.4 block you find in a store. Oh you could also probably find a 3.1 (or 2.8) motor from one of those replacement joints; but then I'd bet they'd charge as much for it as a 3.4 block.

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94Camaro

TomP - what i have been saying, was in rebuttal to Monkie's little trip about a 3.1L being a bad mod cause its a waste of time due to low HP increase.

my saying to him was so what? (you should scroll up for this one) if he wants to put a 3.1L in his car, he should.

and i know its a "just in case" kinda thing.

-R

Jason E

In rebuttal to Monkie, I've been thinking about eventually doing a 3.1 swap myself.

For starters, I'm behind everything Tom said. The motors are dirt cheap used and can be built up. When they are built up, they'll naturally make more power than a comparable 2.8.

Second, everything from a 2.8 to a 3.1 will work. Hell, I think the injectors are even the same! (Is this wrong?) I like the fact that '90-'92 Fbodies had these engines...if I find a wrecked one, everything is right there should I need anything, and it'll all match fine. As Tom said, if you get just a long block, you might run into sensor issues. I just plan on buying the whole damn engine when the time comes.

Thadd, it'll all work. If you can find a 3.4 in your price range, go for it. Otherwise, with a 3.1 you'll get that 5 extra HP Monkie scoffs about, but whats more important is that you'll get more TORQUE. Thats what counts, especially for around town driving. To go from 160 ft/lbs at 3900RPM to 180 ft/lbs at 3600RPM is a difference you will FEEL. I don't care what anyone says! If you find one in solid shape for a good price, grab it. It'll work, it'll be better, case closed.

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Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

TomP

I know, 94Camaro. Didn't mean to seem as if I was ignoring the people that were pro-swap.

Jason, I think so. I think that Multec injector design was only used on the FWD 2.8/3.1 motors, and that the Bosch pintle-style (ours) was used for the f-bodies. I wonder if the Multecs could be adapted for our use? Or, I wonder if it's even worth it?


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I EAT T/A

Actually it would be 25 HP
2.8L=135HP
3.4L=160HP

pods8

I've done an engine swap or two... hey Tom asked.

Anyways why does everyone keep talking about buying a 3.4L from the store, there is no way in hell I'd pay that much. Go find one in good shape from the junkyard, I go mine for $500 @ 30,000mi. I'm staying out of this whole damn argument but if you are just concerned about a new engine that isn't beat, just start from the top(3.4 due to age and probably less miles, the extra power is a perk) and work down if you don't find any good deals. Later all.
-pods

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black and silver, grey interior, w/ 95' cloth seats, 3way power driver

Monkie

94Camaro

Im not putting down my engine at all. Infact I love my car, engine and all. It is fast, doesnt take much gas, and isnt that small. If he wants to switch to a 3.1L let him. I dont really care. But when you post an opinion question on this board I will give you MY opinion. MY opinion is I think the swap is pointless. Why not spend you money more wisely? Would make alot more sense. But like you said buddy. He can do whatever he wants.

P.S.
I wasnt flaming you either. So dont be all defensive. I was just saying use the money more wisely! geeze


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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Monkie

So you're telling me not to think everything everyone says is an insult and here you sit saying Im flaming you when Im not even talking about you. Seems to me like you my friend are the one thats scared you lack something.

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T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Monkie

And you say your 3.4L has so much potential. Thats super, and I want you to show it to me. And you say that it only makes sense to me to drop in a V8. Im sorry but it does make more sense. Why would I drop in a 3.4L when I can get a 350 for the same price. And when I do that why dont you show me just how much your big 3.4L with all its potential has. And when I shut you down by about a car length or so then I will show you how wrong you are. Until then why dont you try letting other people voice their OWN opinions without putting them down?


P.S.
And if people think Im mean for saying this then Im sorry but someone needed to knock 94Camaro of his high horse cause he thinks he is the **** when he really isnt as good as anyone else here. Wow he has a 3.4L! Lets clap for him!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

3.1 firebird

the best upgrades for a 2.8 would be a 3.1 or 3.4. With the 350 you would need a V8 700r4.

Tas

wow swapping an a 350 is the same price as a 3.4? how you figure? what about the electronics, transmission, exaust, suspension, downtime?...

Jason E

I assume he's talking about just the bare engine, which is fairly true.

But to finance a whole swap? Uh, no.

Geeze guys, this post is getting pretty nasty. Haven't seen this kinda angst on this board.

94Camaro

wow, i think im the ****? really? and i think i know all this stuff? nah..i dont think Monkie..i know. i know a lot about the 3.4L cause i have made a point to LEARN (somethign unfamiliar to you) about what i am speaking of.

#1)i wasnt flaming you, you are on fire all by yourself. keep it up! yur doin fine...

#2)is it just me? or does Monkie seem really bright until he opens his mouth? wtf is all this:

and yet, earlier you said this:

which i think i quoted before. if you would rather have a 350 instead of a 207, good for you. congratulations. im all in support of your swap, did you think about the fact that you will also have to change :

Engine, springs, shcoks, swaybars, struts, tranny, computer (if it has one) mounts, crossmember, and im sure a ton of other stuff i cant think of. a v6-v8 swap would prolly run you about 5-7,000.00 not saying you shouldnt, but for that much money, there are a lot of other engines that are way better than a 350..in my opinion, a 350 would be a waste of your time. i mean why not just buy a whole new car? knowing you, you would get halfway thru, realize im right, and bitch at me and tell me that i tricked you into doing the swap. seems like you are trying to make me into the bad guy anyway, why not just blame me for the florida recount problems while you are at it?

but enough of my ranting. ill tell ya, the only thing i have done here is provide accurate (or mostly accurate - if i was wrong in anything) information about a 2.8-3.1-3.4 (whatever your choice) swap.

im outa here, im wastin my time talking to a dumbass.

-R

p.s. if any of the rest of you need info, feel free to contact me at Russell@adwire.com..(Monkie, this EXCLUDES you)

Monkie

94Camaro you mean I cant email you to get punked down when I tell you that I want something that you dont approve of!? Im hurt! I might as well go kill myself.

I agree there are other engines that are better than the 350 but when you look at mods I think the 350 wins the count. Im not putting down 2.8L, 3.1L, or 3.4Ls. They are all great engines. I just dont see doin a swap to get 5HP and maybe 20 Torque. If you're gonna do it then go all out. But what my post (other than bitching with 94Camaro) meant was that he should put in a 3.4L or 3.8L Buick. Why put in the 3.1L?? How much does it cost anyways? But if you are sure you want to do that then I cant say that the 3.1L is a bad engine. If thats what you want then you are getting a fast engine (not like you didnt already have one).

As for 94Camaro. Yea man you got me there Im a total dumb *** . I should have known more about your 3.4L! Oh, wait! Yep thats what I thought, this isnt fourthgen.org. But I understand that you want a real camaro like the 3rd gens just try not to take your anger out on other people (EXCLUDING me). Cause I can fight with your stupid *** all day. Just making yourself seem dumb. But if thats what you wish then hell by all means do not stop. Oh and if you get on a little period anger trip about me saying that the 3rd gen is a real camaro then just keep this in mind. Isnt your gen the ones that arent selling? OWCH!

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Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Tas

he's not the one looking dumb, turbo.

85f-bird

I enter this board as a mediator of sorts, possibly i will say something that will make sense and end this pointless argument. Although most of this information has been said by everyone else, it seems that no one is getting the idea.

Recently my 2.8L firebird's engine died, and i was faced with the un expected task of getting a new motor to put in my car. I thought of doing the v8 swap, but figured that with the money it'd take, it wouldn't be worth it, then i thought about a 3.4L swap, which i knew would be a direct drop in and all that'd be required was the switching of the all external pieces, no biggie. I never actually looked at doing a 3.1L because the engine company i went through had the 2.8L bored out to 2.9-3.0L anyway, so i didn't think a 3.1 would create any big increases. Now, as far as making a huge engine swap, for 5,10, or 25 hp, isn't exactly a smart move, unless, your engine is already dead, or dying, and you need to replace it, then i'd say go with the larger motor. But, dropping in a 3.4L for fun, i'd say it'd be no good. Now, if you're going to do a v8 swap, i'm sure it'll be fun, and you might appreciate your car more by swaping out the engine yourself, but, after all the pieces are changed over, it would have been cheaper to have gone and bought a 305/350 v8 car and beefed it up. Even better, by a beat up 305 bird (easy to find), hope it has a good tranny, pull the motor, and replace it with a 350, you'll make less major changes , and will save a lot of money. So, like i said, I wouldn't swap the 3.1 or 3.4L in for a modification, but i wouldn't object to buying a 3.4L putting it on a stand, and building it up while your other engine is on the way out.that would simply be preparing for the inevidable.

This might not have opened any doorways, but when it comes down to it, we need to stop the bashing, the hate on this board. We're all supposed to be camaro/firebird lovers, and of all generations. While we may have different preferences, i don't understand why we should bicker amongst ourselves while there are bigger battles to fight. So in closing, do what you want with your car, buy that 3.4, or even that 3.1 and put it on a stand and prepare to drop it in (but please on if your engine dies). If you wanna do a v8 swap, go for it, personally i wouldn't do it. But it's not my car, and i'm not about to tell someone else what they should do with their own vehicle and their own money. There are ways to voice your opinion without forcing it on someone.

[This message has been edited by 85f-bird (edited November 17, 2000).]

3.1 firebird

chill out guys

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J-Gray

Monkie,

You need to get your *** handed to you, no one wants to read about you trying to act like you know what the hell you are talking about. So just keep it shut, unless you have something worth while to say... and is fact, not fiction.

J-Gray

TomP

What's funny is, the question wasn't an opinion question. It was to know if the 3.1 would fit in place of the 2.8 with little to no modifications. There's no opinion involved.


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94Camaro

thank you Tom P.

Monkie

True I was wrong there but I did voice my opinion. I never said that I know this and I know that. I said that I thought it was stupid. I still do. But he didnt however say that his engine was blown or he was rebuilding it. Now if he did say that then I wouldnt have said that it was stupid because it does cost alot more to swap in a V8 vs a V6. I assumed that his engine was fine and he just wanted more HP and to me that was stupid. He just didnt make his post clear enough. This shouldnt have gotten this nasty in the first place and I am sorry for calling people (mainly 94Camaro) names, flaming them, and etc. But all I was doing is giving you what you gave me. Sorry it got this bad 94Camaro. Didnt mean that about the 4th gen not being real cause I love the LT1 and LS1. Got a nice car there! Later

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Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

87 Firebird

I haven't gotten involved in this...but that's it!

Monkie, I think you should unhook the turbocharger you have hooked up to your mouth. It's gonna get you in big trouble sometime.

As for boring and stroking a 2.8 to a 3.1, I have thought of it before, myself. Unfortunately, I will have to justify (to myself) that I NEED this mod before going ahead with it. It would likely happen at the same time as a full rebuild, if anything. Or, if I have the cash, it'll be a 350 stroked out to a 383. I guess it all comes down to who has the $$$ for what.

Monkie, I'd like to see you buy a decent rebuilt 350 FUEL INJECTED for the same price as boring and stroking a 2.8. Then, since you seem to have this all figured out, you can find me a tranny that will be fittable with a 350. Then, find me springs, exhaust manifolds, a computer, and all the rest of the goodies I'll need to make this 350 work in my car. If you can do all this, I'll want to get ahold of you NOW. And I'll be grovelling with apologies for quite a while.

Monkie

Well since you seem to be Mr. Solo here... This is kinda old now. We had an argument (which was mainly my fault) but now its over buddy. So just shut up and dont get involved cause now it - is - over. I said I was sorry and thats it. And I must say, did this have anything to do with you? I dont remember calling you out. But maybe Im wrong.

"I haven't gotten involved in this"

Then dont get involved now.

As of you wanting to swap in a 350 "fuel injected" engine and are SO NICE of asking for my assistance. Im gonna have to say screw you. BUT I am sure that some other nice guys on this board will help you out. All I can tell you is its easier to get a junk IROC or whatever you want and just take those parts off of it and place it into yours. And if you cant figure out which tranny will handle the power... Then you need to do some more research. PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW IT COMES OUT!

lol, later


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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Jason E

This is the most goddamned ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board.

The only one I feel sorry for is thadd. I mean, he's new to the board, he comes to us for help, and we look like a bunch of goddamned bickering idiots. I hope he didn't check the "Email Notification" box when he 1st posted this thread...the poor guy has gotten a lot of meaningless dribble in his email account. Anyone notice he hasn't reposted in like 5 days now??

BTW Monkie, 87 Firebird wasn't commenting about picking a new tranny because some won't handle the power...its because a V6 tranny won't bolt to a V8.

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 21, 2000).]