tnt_viper

since it's coming close to getting the camaro back on the road, I have being polishing up some things, and I got my engine bay looking SUPER clean. Last summer I installed a cat-back exhaust and put a high flow cat to give it a nice grumble to the V6... alot of people tell me it sounds like an 8. I would like to know from those that have headers on there V6, if it does a difference in sound and if you could also post a pic to see the difference in looks (im sure it looks way better then the old brown manifolds.

thanks

coolrimsatleast

I have a 2.5 in system from the cat on back with a dynomax muffler. It sounded pretty good before the headers, and became quite a bit louder after installing the headers.

A little too loud for me at certain rpms while accelerating, but sounds nice most of the time. The exhaust note rattles a lot more stuff in the car now too.

I tried to post a pic of my engine, but I already posted it during the installation several months ago, so it wouldn't let me do it, and searching for the thread didn't turn up anything for some reason, so yes, it does look better.

2.8RS

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Here is what mine look like now. I love them minus the bolt that I forund was broken when I went to take the manifolds off.

DaSkinnyGuy

Ok I have the headers on my 3.1L. The car at idle can sound like a 5.0 (305) but at higher RPM's the exhaust gets raspy and sounds bad but you have to expect that from a 189CU V6 motor with headers and a V8 muffler on it. I wouldn't worry about the sound its just a lil louder than what your car is now. The rumble the exhaust puts out is enough to rattle my house when i start it up. From the headers the exhaust goes into a high flow cat 2.5inch dynomax mid pipe and a flowmaster 80 series muffler. One more thing the headers look much nicer than the manifolds but you should put some type of coating on them because they will rust withing a week.

Dale

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search ebay user "........" and there are 3 pics of my engine bay up there showing the headers. You could more then likely search on my user name here and find some of mine.

I noticed at idle it gave it more rumble, but at wot it sounded worse.

2.8RS

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I wish I did that. As soon as you crank your motor for the first time with the headers on the paint is already burning off. Don't worry if you get smoke for a few minutes with them first on.

puntank4200

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Definitely louder, my car sounds bigger than it is at idle. I live in an apartment complex and since I've installed the headers (already had high flow cat and catback) my geriatric neighbors have been complaining to management a lot more. Been here since July last year and management has file full of noise complaints . The only thing I dislike is that they sound a little raspy at higher rpms, but I'm hoping that can be fixed with a resonator.

drdave88

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im going to go against the norm here, i didnt notice much of a difference in sound when i put mine on. i noticed a bit of sound and performance difference, but not a whole lot. although, i am running a 3.4, so that may have some to do w/ the performance part of it.

Dale

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If you think that it would pass noise level according to police. Go up to the PD, or state inspection station and have them write a letter saying that the car passes the DB level. Complex cant do jack $hit.

coolrimsatleast

I'm thinking about getting a quieter muffler actually when it comes time for it. I'd like to stay with the 2.5 in. I'll have to do my homework though on what's the quietest. At the moment I have a dynomax.

Dale

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dynomax is the quietest from my findings. Sounds like you have almost the same setup as me.

If there complaining about that, there to old Even my 55yo dad likes the sound of the dynomax.

DaSkinnyGuy

drdave on your 3.4L do you have your headers hooked up to your stock exhaust system. If so the stock muffler and size wont allow for much of a sound or performance change

tnt_viper

are you talking about the pacesetter headers???

drdave88

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no, my headers connect to a Catco converter and then to the Dynomax cat-back. it will change performance because the most restrictive part of the entire exhaust system is the manifolds, well unless you have a plugged cat. ive gotta imagine that the performance and sound would still change, but probably not as much as it would with a cat-back and a new converter.

HPE

I have info on this page that will help with advice. I have tried several different things on this car over about 15 years before and after header install. What worked great before header install was obnoxiously fartcannish after header install. This new setup was tailored out of a few different tries after header install and I finally nailed something I am very happy with.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/5

Ben92

just wondering where i can find replacment header bolts for the pacesetter headers.

drdave88

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summit has locking header bolts. theyre called grade 8, i think thats the company.

HPE

Grade 8 is the hardness of metal. You can find grade 8 bolts at any industrial hardware store. You don't need to spen money on fancy locking header bolts, they are actually a PITA to retorque. The problem alot of hotrodders have is not retorqueing the header bolts after the first time they drive the car and get things up to operating temps. Its a pain, but you should realy try and retorque them when they are warm because they loosen with heat applied so get the motor hot then retorque them when it cools a little but is still on the very warm side. I forget the size and pitch of the 60*V6 studs but I thnk off hand they are 10x 1.25 and should get bolts about 1 1/4 inch long for headers.
I personally rub a dab of copper antiseize header sealant on my bolt threads before installing.

grimmcs

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They are called Stage 8. Easy mistake. Found HERE at Summit.

drdave88

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thats it, i do that everytime on here, lol. thanks

Gottork1967

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If I run my v6 long I will want a set of headers, cn anyone recomend a set and where to get them?

Leo_padakin

^^^^summitracing.com, those are the headers everyone is talking about in this thread.

Dale

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or in possibly 2 weeks, I will now where the very first set of pacesetters will be forsale.

puntank4200

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Pacesetter is the only brand that makes headers for our car. I bought the stage 8 locking header bolts, but they were the 8mm x 1.25, I don't believe they sell stage 8 in 10mm x 1.25.

HPE

Yes and no.Technically, they are the only smog legal ones if you are subject to smog inspections. Otherwise, Hooker and Hedman both made headers that are still ocationally found- I sold a set of each of them a year or two back to other members.Also, PF&E in Michigan makes custom stainless steel headers that are far nicer than the pacesetters, but trying to pass smog is a little more tricky.

Gottork1967

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I just looked on summit and find NOTHING for the 3.4 for headers, so can anyone tell me a different way to find them?

Dale

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They make 3.4 ones for the 4th gen f-bodys.

If your putting them in a 3rd gen, you need to get the 2.8 3rd gen ones.

rocluvr0013

This paint is the "shipping" or "Packing" paint, its designed to burn off.

I stripped mine, and then painted with high temp paint. You then have to bake the paint on basically cure it with the engine heat. Run the car a few minutes let it get up to temp then shut her off for awhile. Do this a few times and your paint wont flake off and your headers wont rust. Mine are still black a few years later (matte black anyways)

Gottork1967

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4.3 was the only V6 they offered for.

Dale

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I found them jsut fine

PSM-70-1206
PSM-72C1206

Gottork1967

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http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Yes I looked them up using make model and so on, if you do an engine search then they come up fine.

IrockanIroc

lots of people in my town have third gens and most of the people around here are gear heads theres this one camaro that everyone knows about with a 6 with exaust and headers and my friend said they should get a ticket from the cops for false advertising lmao... they sound like a 8 in idle but as soon as they get on it sounds like ****.. dunno myself i cant do less than an 8 and if you got a cam with a 6 around here you get made fun of but if you dont gatta worry about that by you i say stick the headers on...

HPE

There's alot of guys around these parts with V8 cars that have been made fun of becasue they were stomped at autox by V6- it wasn't even close.- So you were saying?