daves12secV6

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another board i am on has a prize setup for the 4thgen 3.8 cars who takes the new 3.8 street driven camaro et record/

id like to set something up for us 60* guys like the same thing.
id be willing to put up 100$'s of my own money for this,and maybe get a few guys who would like a shot at this to throw up 100$'s as well to be given to the fastest v6 car's owner

theres alot of talk on here about ppl building up some nice motors and im hoping this would get the ball rolling a lil better.

rules would have to be figured out and input would be great.
but heres a few of the ideas i have
#1 set a time period say between now and september and the fastest car at the conclusion gets the prize money
#2 use my best time of 12.6 and the first person to break that with 2 conecutive runs gets the prize money

now for some solid rules
#1 car must be a 82-92 f-body
#2 engine must be a 60* v6 2.8/3.1/3.4/3.5/3.9 any bore size or stroke
#3 any gm production cyl heads ( wouldnt want somone being able to dig up a set of aftermarket heads) and any valve train
#4 car must be a street car insured and registered
#5 any type of power adder allowed
#6 any type of fuel injection or carburation allowed (but must run on gasoline) alky/meth injection permited on forced induction cars
#7 for a run to count it must be backed up by a second pass THE SAME DAY
#8 blowing up the engine even if the second is made will void the run.


so give me some feedback on the rules and lets try to get something going

depending on interst in this can i get a stickey plz

Dale

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We know you would win

I wouldnt put in because I know mine wont, it hasnt even been driven in 4 months. Plus saturday I may be replacing it *cross fingers*

It would be interesting to see some true timeslips and mods to the engine to get that time.

daves12secV6

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dale i dont think i will particapaiting in this(only putting up money),my daughter will be here in a few weeks so i cant afford to be hurting parts lol.im taking the car to car shows this year with the new motor with limited track time( prolly only see track time for testing purposes

grimmcs

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If I can get my engine done by the end of Sept. Ill pitch in.
This is enough for me to put my paint job on the back burner and put what little hard earned $$$ I make into my engine. Im always up for a challenge.

Just another thought---> Results sould be PMed to someone, and results posted at the end of the time period.

2.8RS

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Why don't we have a prize for forced induction/nitrous and NA seperate?

daves12secV6

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i would but i dont have 200 to throw up for it ,besides n/a/nitrous pretty much would go hand in hand and could compete with forced induction cars

coolrimsatleast

It would have to be awhile for me. I still don't have another driver at the moment to be able to tear into my firebird. I'd have to do some serious mods, as my mildly built 3.4 probably wouldn't put up too much of a fight.

I haven't even gotten the 'gas hog' problem fixed yet, so I think there's some kind of tuning issue or vac leak.

Then there's still the rattle I have to solve that might or might not be the engine.

Blue1989RS

3.9?? Who has a 3.9?

I agree with 2.8RS. You would have to split it up to NA and P-Adder groups. I do agree with you on the nitrous/turbo thing. They belong together. I'd be game in playing tho, money or not!

Xophertony

blue89, when I saw this thread I was going to PM you, now I get to the bottom and here you are.

daves12secV6

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if i had the cash i would put up for an na group but this is for the fastest 60* car anyone with an na 60* and a big shot of nitrous does have a chance.

a strickly na car with 0 power adder isnt gonna stand a chance and prolly wont go faster then mid to high 13's perhaps i can throw up somethig for a strickly na car maybe a manifold or something,but it deff wouldnt be cash

the 3.5/3.9 (3500/3900) engines are late model 60* engines.

TTA850

Is the 3.9 your reffering to found in 2006 and later Impalas?

Blue1989RS

I would do the contest for the fastest 2.8/3.1/3.4 60V6 block only. Otherwise the person with the 3500/3900 would womp us (us being the core 2.8/3.1/3.4 3rd gen V6 group).

Money will complicate things. Lets do it for the honor. Two groups: Power adder (any type) and NA. 1, 2, 3, GO!

Blue1989RS

Also, PUMP gas. No Race Gas, Alch or meth. Lets keep it a challenge. Otherwise you wont have anyone in the competition. I won't even bother trying if I see a Blown Alch 60V6 on the list. Nor will anyone else.

Hey Xophertony!

Xophertony

hell no. I don't have money to spend on this.... I am going broke just keeping these two cars running. any profomance parts go to the GTA.

But i'll be pulling for you. if you need any support i'd be happy to drive up and put in a day or two, post up on the crew sight and i bet you get some more offers as well.

pairtoe

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"#3 any gm production cyl heads ( wouldnt want somone being able to dig up a set of aftermarket heads) and any valve train"

is that just no aftermarket heads, and aftermarket valvetrain, or stock all around?

daves12secV6

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ok guys based on what ur saying im gonna post up some new possible rules in a bit.some other ideas have been brought to my attention as well.so gimmie an hour and ill post up some new stuff to get ur opinions on

daves12secV6

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#1 car must be a 82-92 f-body
#2 engine must be a 60* v6
#3 block must be a 2.8/3.1/3.4L but any bore size or stroke permited
#4 any gm production cyl heads ( wouldnt want somone being able to dig up a set of aftermarket heads) and any valve train Permited
#5 any engine management system permited
#6 car must be a street car insured and registered
#7 any type of power adder allowed (multiple power adders allowed)
#8 any type of fuel injection or carburation allowed (but must run on gasoline) alky/meth injection permited only forced induction cars
#9 for a run to count it must be backed up by a second pass THE SAME DAY
#10 blowing up the engine even if the second is made will void the run.
#11 car must have a seaon track number.and must be reported before the starting date,timeslips must have matching car number clearly visable on them

any better ???

im thinking all the ppl who want do do this should buy in with 25$'s this way the winner at the end gets a decent prize.everyone holds the money till the final date when the winner is dertimined and then gives the winner there share of the buy in.

^^ thoughts on this

since some of u guys want a pure na class what would u like for rules.maybe u guys would all lke to throw up some money as well for the winner or just do it for braging rights
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i can see making the rule pump gas with alk/meth/water injection,or race gas no meth/alky/water injection.but not completly elliminating it.

discuss

Blue1989RS

I know I'm not everyone, but I would love to have an NA competition. There are a couple of guys with fast NA cars. Well, 14 seconds. Lol.

Dave,
If you want to have a forced induction contest, I wouldn't mind spear heading the NA contest. I would just do the same rules as you posted, just no forced air or nitrous. How does that sound?

I've been wanting to run my car for a while anyway, so now I have a good reason!

Six_Shooter

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It's not worth it to me, to put my engine in an F-body just to take all your money. :P Y'all afraid of an SUV?

Actually if I had a tad more money, and bit more free time I'd be all over this.

My only issue with the rules so far is the season track number stipulation. I know for myself, I won't be able to make it to the track until at LEAST half way through teh summer if not later, so I really have no way of getting a season number, especially one that I can report BEFORE hand.

There is a light possibility I could do something with this, if my employment changes as I am attempting to make it happen, which would mean I probably wouldn't even be able to purchase an F-body until mid summer.

Just thought that was a very odd rule.

Street Lethal

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Ever consider renting out any of those TTA's....?

Nice rides.....!

daves12secV6

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i figured that would be a good idea cause then there is a way to keep track of the timeslips.i.e everytime the person goes to the track the car number will always be the same.would prevent somone from using somone elses time slip etc.

though if this is a problem for some ppl im sure we could work out a way to make some sort of rule that would work.
maybe video of the 2 runs etc


btw six shooter u should just be able to get the track to send u a number threw the mail.a season number for u local track should only be 2-5$'s
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i know th they can be found in the pontiac g6 and some others just not sure which.but i thnk they would all be 2005-2006 and later model years

pairtoe

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im in for $50.

Xophertony

DAVE.
my local track (Portland International Raceway) issues the DRIVER with the number. my season number is 311C and i have 17.5 second timeslips from my 2.8 and 14.3 second timeslips from my 5.7 both with the same number at the top.

1slow8t3

I would possibly be in on this depending on how my new job goes. I think you should extend then end date untill at least the end of Oct. cause the tracks around here don't close till november.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

those would be 90* engines.

still iffy on that track number thing, but one cain always contact the track.

most track events I've read/seen have forced induction/nitrous cars in same class, and n/a in it's own.

some of the caddies had the ho 2.8's putting out some numbers, and the think the catera had a 3.2 also ( for those willing to go that way)

Street Lethal

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^ ... no no, I already know that the Buick 3.8's are 90* degree engines, I was complimenting him on his great taste in vehicles. I personally would love to own just one Turbo TA, let alone a couple (like him).

AM91Camaro_RS

i'm game. i think videos should be a requirement. i know it can be hard to get videos and get them online but its too easy to find a good timeslip and put that number on your car and snap a pic. videos must have sound, too. i like the "buy in" deal.

2.8RS

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Numbers would be nice with the timeslip but for those who know nothing of the drag racing scene like myself I think that a video of yourself for the whole race should be required. Maybe also a picture of your car at the entrance or something of the drag strip.

grimmcs

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I still like the idea of not posting the results till its all over. PM the results to someone and wait till its over to see if you won. This will help not to discourage people if they have seen some times, and let everyone who wants to try to give it their best shot.

AM91Camaro_RS

i think the power adder class should be limited to one power adder. and, i think someone mentioned not paying until its all over...what if someone "enters" cause they think they can win; find out they got beat then don't wanna pay?

Street Lethal

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IMO, everyone puts their money up front, otherwsie your just going to have people hesitating, and not feeling too confident about the whole entire deal (as they very well should, any other way). Have a reliable moderator from this webiste, w/credibility of course, hold the funds, then, when all is said and done, winner takes all....

Everyone agree...?

pairtoe

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yeah i def agree to that, or people might just back out in the end.

daves12secV6

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agreed,but first we need to get some solid rules down,and the time frame for this to take place between

2.8RS

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I agree with the paying up front. If we have two different classes why don't the two winners split the prize money. Also I vote that a video should be required of you driving your car into the track and a run of your car in video plus a picture.

firstfirebird

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I've been biting my toung on this thread...
I have to agree with 2.8RS that a vid would be the "ultimate proof".

turbo2825psi

just ran a 15.140 at 93.23 mph friday night on an almost stock 2.8 n/a motor and the origanal 3.42's and five speed dont know wut i did but it flew. also a 15.224 and 15.171 no clue where it came from but shes runnng strong

AM91Camaro_RS

we could also say that you have to have your username for this site written on a window where it is visible in the video. or atleast part of the name; some, like mine, would look a bit rediculous taking up the whole window.

edit: how'd you run 15.1s? and 93 mph? what do you consider almost stock? i've only gone a little quicker than that and have yet to break 90mph with a highly modded 3.1... not saying its not true just a little curious how that happened.

firstfirebird

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Do you mean to tell me that you can keep up with a stock 5.7 3rd gen with your "nearly stock" 2.8?!

Xophertony

well, i don't know about you, but my nearly stock 5.7L thirdgen runs a 14.3.

/shamless self promotion

daves12secV6

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#1 car must be a 82-92 f-body
#2 engine must be a 60* v6
#3 block must be a 2.8/3.1/3.4L but any bore size or stroke permited
#4 only factory gm production cyl heads permited.Any valve train Permited
#5 any engine management system permited
#6 car must be a street car insured and registered
#7 any type of power adder allowed (single power adder only) single/twin turbos,supercharger or upto 2 stages of nitrous)
#8 only one form of intercooling/aftercooling permited i.e air to air,chemical/meth/water injection,water to air
#9 any type of fuel injection or carburation allowed (but must run on gasoline) alky/meth injection permited only forced induction cars i.e turbo/supercharged
#10 for a run to count it must be backed up by a second pass THE SAME DAY
#11 blowing up the engine even if the second is made will void the run.
#12 cars must run factory type suspension
#13 rules for video/proof of runs to be determined
#14 money/buy in to be determined
any better ???

we also need to find somone to hold the money,
figure out the timeframe for this.
do we split the money between the na/fi winners,or do we have seperate pots for each class?
how much do u guys want to throw up for a buy in ?

and what other ideas do u guys have

btw im working on a few things for this with a few companys to add to the pot for the winner.details on this as i hear back from them

pairtoe

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personally i think its only fair to have two seperate classes na/fi. and the prize money should not be split in half. beacuse what if 10 people are in fi, and 100 are in na. this way its more fair and your not paying for a whole nother group your not even in. also minimum buy in should be $25.

but these are just my ideas on what i think is fair. take it or leave it

AM91Camaro_RS

i think the money from the entries for each class should stay in that class. I like the $25 that you threw out earlier...its affordable but enough to make it worth while for the winner.

firstfirebird

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On a good day, and if the motor is tip-top. I still don't believe a 15.1 out of a "nearly stock" 2.8. MAYBE, AND MAYBE if this "nearly stock" 2.8 was completly set up for drag racing could POSSIBLY get a high 15. But when I've got some bolt-ons in a 3.1 and run a 17.xx - I just can't believe it! Dave should back me up on this, with a hot cam, and multiple bolt-ons managed to get high 15's, and here comes somebody who tells me he got a low 15 pass with a "nearly stock" 2.8, I say HOG-WASH!!! When I go to the track and see that a 305 3rd gen is running in the high 15's?!?! I will however believe that those numbers are closer to low 16's.
I agree with you Pirote, the money shoul be disbursed accordingly to how much money was invested by each class, ie 100 people @ $25 ($2500)in n/a class compared to 50 @ $25 ($1250) in power adder class would come out to be the winner in the n/a class would get 2/3's of the winnings (the origional $2500). That way everyone gets equal winnings in the class in which they competed.

I just don't know about this "stock suspension" thing Dave is talking about.

I probably could donate to the winnings, but I already planned on beating Daves best by the end of summer err regardless of any contest .

daves12secV6

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lol firstfirebird by stock i mean stock style.i.e no 4 links/ladderbars etc.
this still allows for aftermarket lca's,tq arms shocks/springs etc.


lol i see u also forgot i have a twin turbo motor sitting in the shop right now ~

lol i may just have to put off backhalfing the car though just for this now,i was getting ready to install a rear frame rail kit along with ladderbars,and a dana 60 rear

firstfirebird

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No, I didn't foget! But I do plan on beating your single turbo best .
Guess I should have said that AFTER you finish my heads, ROFLMAO!

pairtoe

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turbo shmurbo, im gonna tear the competition up with nitrous...

firstfirebird

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HMMM, you're gonna need like a 250 shot just to keep up. haha

pairtoe

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haha yeah i know, but after at 250 shot it will run down the track faster on the back of a tow truck.

daves12secV6

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roflmao lol ur gonna get the same port job i would use for my own heads
though they may flow a few cfm less then mine jk lmao
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heh anyoen who shows up with a 3.1/3.4 on that much juice will stand a pretty dam good chance of winning

pairtoe

iTrader: (4)

yeah well they are gonna have to win, so they can pay off the thousand they spent on the nitrous kit.