firstfirebird

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$1000 has been spent on my car and it's stll doing over 17.xx, haha.
Actually the mods just aren't installed - YET .

firstfirebird

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I helped on a car w/250 shot about 10yrs ago. It was my friends nephew and we put a SBC355 in a 1986 Mustang LX. It ran 11.8x on the motor and 10.3x on the juice with the stock Ford 8.5 rear and custom driveshaft mated to a TH400.

Xophertony

I can hit 14.5 consistantly with my SBC, with a 14.3 being my "best of the night" last track day. and to be fair my L98 has headers and 3" catback.... so "near stock" might not be true.

man... you guys with your forced induction 2.8s are kicking my N/A 5.7 ***... atleast my 5.7 beats MY 2.8

2.8RS

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What do you guys think about a 1st through 3rd place?

turbo2825psi

yeah msd system open exaust no cat number 25 autolite plugs 4 degrees advanced and thats it im running a bag in the rr spring and 28*10.5*15 slicks thats it. it suprised me too cuz i was only running 16.5's at the end of the year with the auto.

AM91Camaro_RS

what kind of 60' times are you getting? those are some big ol' slicks for a v6! i've run 27x8.5s on mine (i think that's right) and actually pulled better 60' times on my street tires. open exhaust (with headers) hasn't made any difference on mine over full exhaust, either.

turbo2825psi

i dont have the slips on me but if i remember right it was 2.1 or 2.2

pairtoe

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so whats up with this, is it still on? maybe if some one should setup a vote for the instructions or prize pay?

firstfirebird

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I say we let race gas for two reasons:
1. How are you going to enforce weather or not race gas was used, especially since you are going to be at the track anyways.
2. My new motor is going to be a forced hybrid with a 11:1 compression ;p.

daves12secV6

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to much cr for forced induction,u will throw that crank right out the bottom of the motor

grimmcs

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I was just about to say the same thing.


Also I am new to the whole track scene, so is there usually an open days where anyone can race?

firstfirebird

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Well that doesn't make sense to me for some reason. If you have high compression and low boost, wouldn't that be the same as low compression with high boost? (because boost effectively raises the compression ratio).

grimmcs

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Well I guess it all depends on how much boost you run.

Im good with these rules. I would say for #13 you have to have either a seaon track number or have a video of them doing their runs.
And #14 have anyone who wants to enter give their name and fee before a certain date.

Six_Shooter

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THANK YOU!!!!!

Finaly someone listens to me about the use of high compression AND boost.

I'll be raisin the SCR in my engine with the new head gaskets, when I finally get it together, though mine will only be at 9.3:1 or so, I just don't want to buy and install new pistons to raise it to the 10:1 I'd really like to run.

RedTtop5spd

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I don't own a V6 anymore, but I still take a big interest in them. I think if things are spelled out really clearly, it would be easier to agree to the set of rules. In that respect, does this coincide with what people are thinking, and does this sound good?

General Requirements

1. Entry fee will be $25 and forum name and class will be stated with entry fee.
2. Runs for time must be made between April 1, 2007 and before midnight September 30, 2007.
2. Two runs must be made on the same day and documented via video. The slower of the two runs will be used to determine rankings.
3. Documentation must be received no later than October 15, 2007.*
4. Documentation will be submitted to a person not entered in the competition.
5. Any question of legality of equipment must be approved by the members of this forum.
6. The vehicle must be legally driven to the track and legally driven away from the track and documented via video.**
7. There will be two classes of cars, naturally aspirated and forced induction (as described below).
8. Entry fees will be held by trustworthy moderator, will be retained in separate accounts respective to class entered, and will be awarded in the following manner.
A. First place will receive 60% of entry fees for the class in which they race.
B. Second place will receive 25% of entry fees for the class in which they race.
C. Third place will receive 15% of entry fees for the class in which they race.

Class Regulations

1. To run in the naturally aspirated class, the vehicle must conform to the understood idea of naturally aspirated.
2. Naturally aspirated vehicles may use only a single means to cool the intake charge, but may not allow anything other than natual atmosphere to enter the engine.
3. Anything not falling into the naturally aspirated class is considered forced induction. To include engines with multiple induction systems.
4. Forced induction engines may use only a single means to cool the intake charge.

Vehicle Requirements

1. Vehicle must be a 1982-1992 F-body.
2. Vehicle must be a registered and insured street car.
3. Engine must be a 60 degree V6.
4. Engine block must be a 2.8L, 3.1L, or 3.4L, but may be bored and/or stroked.
5. Cylinder heads must be GM factory production.
6. Suspension must be a stock design, but may be lowered and/or use aftermarket parts.

*A date of October 15, 2007 would allow anyone having problems transmitting documentation the ability to work with the person verifying the documentation, and allow the person verifying it to have enough time to go through everything.
**The requirement to legally drive the vehicle to and from the track and document it would help regulate use of tires, however it is impossible to regulate actual use of fuel. It would also verify that the engine did not blow during the runs.

If I'm not on course, then disregard everything. If I am on course, I'll volunteer reveiwing documentation for legality of the runs. I no longer have a V6 and I'll be out of the country for the duration of when the competition would run, so I couldn't do anything except for reveiw results.

pairtoe

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i like that it sounds good.

TJ986

I may have to kick the top secret project into high gear to get it done and running by sept.

Kamorov

There could be numerous classes like
HM - Heavilly Modified - generally two or more power adders.
SP - Single Power Adder - Turbo, Nitrous, Cam. any one power adder
BO - Bolt-On - Any bolted on performance
BS - Bone Stock --- I saved the BS for last...

This is the basic set up I use when I organise races at the track. Each entry
is given a class then a number based on registration...

HM32 on the winshield would be Heavilly Modified Class car #32
anyways this is just a suggestion for classes... I use em for my
tournaments and they work well

RedTtop5spd

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Sounds good, but I think more than 2 classes would start getting into too much, and there wouldn't be enough people in each class.

Kamorov

definately I was just listing what I use in the Racing Events I organize for an example ...

Six_Shooter

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*shrug* I'm more into just who is fastest overall. Or maybe fastest 3 people. Getting into splitting up classes, just seems to be out of the scope of how this will be run.

Basically if you get into many classes and such, you'd really have to run all the cars on the same day at the same event.

daves12secV6

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yeah 2 classes is enough,fastest power adder,and fastest na cars

redtop very nice i like it

RedTtop5spd

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Ok, so can we get a moderator to make this a sticky and hold the entry fees? I'd be happy to review stuff to determine the legality and places, but I'll be gone from April 1 until the end of Sept/very beginning of Oct. If you want, I'll do it, but might be better if someone else who is around handles that. I think the money and deciding places should be handled separately. Less chance of someone being able to try and bribe. I trust you all, but better to not chance things.

Xophertony

YES. PIR (portland international raceway) does them on friday and satarday nights throughout the year. many other tracks do the same thing. "street legal drags" and the like. call your local track, or visit them online.

AM91Camaro_RS

this could get a little confusing but I had thought about arranging payouts per car count. Say like, winner takes all if 5 or fewer cars enter. 6-10 cars pays top 2 positions. 11-15 cars pays top 3. and 16 or more pays top 5. there would still have to be some split determined but this way the fastest person would win a little more than his/her original entry fee.

#2 on the class regulations seems a bit questionable to me.

also, the use of street tires is mentioned with the video documentation of driving to/leaving the track. are we requiring street tires? i don't care...just want to make sure all the rules are clear before hand.

is there going to be a range for the two times? it was mentioned that the slower of the two times will be used... are we leaving it at that or saying they have to be within 2 tenths, or what? i would guess it's not within a certain range, just want to know for sure.

RedTtop5spd

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I think that the payout based on how many cars in the class would get too confusing, but it's definitely an idea.

I figured that the street tires would even things out a little more on what the motor could do. That's why I put that in there.

As far as #2 on the class regulation, I put that in because there are people who have made canisters for dry ice in their intake. It would basically allow anyone to cool their intake charge, even if it were naturally aspirated.

As far as the range, I don't see as there needs to be one if the slowest time is used. If we were going by the fastest of the two times, then definitely needs to be within a certain range.

Let me know what you guys want and I'll add or change whatever you'd like. I'm really looking forward to seeing who has the fastest N/A cars and who has the fastest overall.

daves12secV6

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i would allow the dot dragradials/slicks and non dot slicks,after all it is a whos the fastest car competition.

Six_Shooter

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That's what I was thinking.

And what's this Bee Ess about having to drive to and from the track?

If I were to actually do this, myself, the F-body I'd use would not be registered to drive on the street, it would be a mule only for this competition, so I'm not about to waste an extra grand or so just to register and insure the thing. It's not that it couldn't be, it most certainly could be, I just don't want to waste paying the vehicle ownership transfer taxes and such.

daves12secV6

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the street rule is to keep this at a street car level,not a purpose built car drag car, we all know a purpose built drag car could have a good adavntage even if under powered compared to a street car

AM91Camaro_RS

i agree. i think it does need to stay a street car competition.

firstfirebird

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It's 50 miles to Moroso and until I get a trailer I'm driving there.

Six_Shooter

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I can understand wanting to keep it a street car competition, but that right there will put me out of this competition. Like I said I'll have to buy an F-body, just to compete, so the extra $1000+ will make this endevour not worth it at all.

Oh and BTW, at times my street cars have been more a kin to race cars, with how I had them stripped down at times.

AM91Camaro_RS

how far are you from bradenton? that's where I normally go. its like 63 miles from my house...about an hour.

firstfirebird

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217 miles, and I know because I went to MCC and BHS in Bradenton, lol, though I now live in Coral Springs (Broward County). I have a picture of me in the back of a pace car at DeSoto Speedway during the Star Spangled Banner with Bobby Allison and Gregg Sacks in the front seat. IIRC it was 1990, and they both autographed the 8x11" photo .

RedTtop5spd

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Ok, I'll modify the regs to say any tires allowed. Anything else need to be changed?

AM91Camaro_RS

are electronics allowed? such as 2-step rev limiters.

RedTtop5spd

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If it's street legal I'd say it would be. Anyone else want to chime in?

RedTtop5spd

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This going to happen? Who's going to hold the money? I want to see some good timeslips when I get back.

pairtoe

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has anyone decided what to do with this?? my car will be on the road in arpil and im ready to do some racing. we should get this set up ASAP if its actually going to happen.

AM91Camaro_RS

I'm still up for it! I don't really know what happened.

daves12secV6

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im gonna go for it,ive deceided to go ahead and run the car this year.infact i just started to fab up my stainless stell twin turbo headers today

Blue1989RS

I quit paying attention when the rules got complex and money starting getting involved. I race to race and build cars because its fun. I'm all for the NA competition, but just for bragging rights. Wish you were closer Alan, I'd like to run with you in the other lane!

daves12secV6

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im gonna simplify things alot in a very short bit. going over a few things and ill post them up.im still going to post up some money by myself for the fastest overall car.im also gonna get back intouch with a few companys i had interested
in doing something for the winner as well[it wasnt much but it was something extra] and see what i can work out.

AM91Camaro_RS

Yeah, WA is a bit of a drive for a race!

There's gotta be rules. That's just part of racing. I like the prize money...I've raced for several years, just for the fun of it. The thought of getting something out of it is nice! I deffinitley think there needs to still be a n/a calss and a FI class. The overall fastest car idea is cool but not fair for some people.

daves12secV6

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alright no buy ins etc this is a run for fun thing now,as per my original idea i will pay the overall fastest car's driver 100$'s at the end of the race season.if anyone wants to work out a pot for the power adder class, or n/a class thats fine


power adder class
car must be an f-body
2.8/3.1/3.4 only, any bore/stroke permited
any production gm cyl head permited. i.e no aftermarket
nitrous/turbo/supercharging permited (combinations of any permited)
any method of charge cooling permited, i.e water to air,air to air,chemical
stock style suspension only
any electronics including engine mamangement
any tire that fits the stock wheel wells
car must be registered and insured

n/a class
2.8/3.1/3.4 only, but any size bore/stroke permited
any production gm cyl head permited. i.e no aftermarket
no power adders alowed
suspension rules follow power adder class rules

runs must be on video
and also any run must be backed up by a second pass, i.e within 2 tenths of the fastest pass

pairtoe

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that sounds fair to me.

daves12secV6

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opps one important revision

power adder class
pump or race gas only
car must be an f-body
2.8/3.1/3.4 only, any bore/stroke permited
any production gm cyl head permited. i.e no aftermarket
nitrous/turbo/supercharging permited (combinations of any permited)
any method of charge cooling permited, i.e water to air,air to air,chemical
stock style suspension only
any electronics including engine mamangement
any tire that fits the stock wheel wells
car must be registered and insured

n/a class
pump or ras gasoline only
2.8/3.1/3.4 only, but any size bore/stroke permited
any production gm cyl head permited. i.e no aftermarket
no power adders alowed
suspension rules follow power adder class rules

2.8RS

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So the NA class is just basically bolt-ons?

firstfirebird

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N/A would mean you can do anything you want to a 60*V6, except add NOS, turbo(s), or super chargers.

Blue1989RS

Should the rules be changed to say "Any 60v6" instead of "2.8/3.1/3.4"? This would technically rule out 3100/3400/3500 FWD engines in fbodies. Or was that the point?