tnt_viper

I just bought a 1989 Camaro RS with the 2.8L. I have a few questions.

springs : I would like to lower my car (more then 1 inch). I found the eibach sport line springs, but then I saw on the boards something about V8 springs and V6 springs, on the description of the springs it does not say anything about engine size or Iroc-z, RS, z28....

exhaust : I would like a very muscular sound from my car, I know the little 2.8 can give it, my fiero made a nice sound...dont know what was done to it to give the sound it did.

Bolt on mods : is there any easy do-it-yourself mods or cheap bolt ons I can do on the camaro to give it more pep, sound or whatever...

Nate86

Springs: It's not going to matter, I'm sure quite a few people on this board have the Sportlines and a V6. The discussion you heard probably had something to do with the difference between the V8 and V6 springs. The Sportlines should be completely interchangeable with either set of springs... in fact, I believe the V8 and V6 springs are interchangeable themselves.

Exhaust: Can't really say since I don't have a V6. I'm sure fellow board members will chime in though.

aaron7

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Welcome to the forums!

Is this the lowered blue one you posted over at TN?

For springs, I'd say the Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering springs would be best (Summit part number EIB-3801-140), but they do only say for the V8 cars... so I'm not sure what to suggest!

To make the car sound good, I'm sure plenty of people will chime in with their ideas. They do(did) make headers for the 2.8 Camaro/Firebird, and a decent exhaust with a Flowmaster or something would sound good.

For bolt ons, I would suggest other suspension parts (lower control arms, panhard rod, strut tower brace), headers, underdrive pulleys (?), MAF screen delete, air box hollowing (cut the baffles out under the filters and use K&N filters), Iroc wonderbar, larger sway bars, etc etc.

Good luck with the car, and post some pictures!

tnt_viper

hi aaron7, I'm from corollaracing.com (GREEN_ROLLA), I have a blue neon that I was going to lower, but scru it.

heres some pics of the car

aaron7

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Wow, that looks REALLY clean!!

xplane

Dang cant wait till i can get mine fixed up like that! good job on scorin that car. <- I wish my car could do that
PS id take that car Bra off and check for scraping on the paint and if it has yet to do that keep it off or remove and clean under there like once a month or more there was one on my car for only about a year and it DESTROYED the paint on there after only a year or so.

Naft

I am really satisfied with my dynomax catback. that and a magnaflow cat made my <3000 rpm sound nice and throaty for a v6, sounds like a stock v8 but with more volume and a little less burble. my cat was due for replacement anyway, and the catback was $200 shipped from summit, definitly a good buy.

ive heard the flowmaster sounds a bit too raspy/tincanny, and its a little louder than the dynomax. You can find some V6 springs on ebay, doward got a set of dropzones (1.5"?) for something like $106 shipped, and ive seen some suspension techniques (1.7" i think) for around the same price.

do you still have the fiero?

Nocturnall

I have flowmaster and dynamax high flow cat, it's pretty loud, can easily hear it from inside the house, only thing is that it's damn loud in the car as well. Over 3k doesn't sound like anything inside the car dunno about out because NO ONE drives my car.

As far as springs go you cannot use v8 springs with a v6...well you can, it'll just look goofy because the front end will ride higher. V8 springs are of course going to be made to hold more weight. You can do it but the front end is gonna ride high, and be more rigid over bumps, around corners and whatnot. There is an article about this with pictures of 2 cars, camaro and firebird one with proper springs and the other with v8 springs in a v6.

Dale

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HAHAHA Not going to mater? If you put v8 springs in a v6, the back will be lowered, and the front will be at stock height due to we have about 150-200 less pounds up front. How do I know? I did it. Now, some have put v8 front springs in and cut the springs to give them the height they like. But then you have to stiff of springs up front. I have some ebay brand rears with 1.75 drop, and cut front springs. I have yet to find some TRUE v6 springs.

Exhaust, I have dynomax, sounds v8'ish at idle, can tell its v6 throttle. Some have flowmaster.

Other things.
Remove the water baffles in the lower section of the intake.
Crank Pully if your not putting a system in the car
Headers
roller rockers
Slightly port/polish the intake
brass cap n roter
hypertech or msd coil

prob more I am forgetting.

drdave88

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i have dropzones, good look and great price.

most of us agree the dynomax is the way to go overall.

180* t-stat
good set of plugs and some bigger (8.8?) wires
weight reduction is another big help
spohn suspension parts

start w/ the TomP tune up before you do any of this other stuff though

stocker85

hey dale,,,,,,,,,,,,what do the water baffles look like,,, reference removing them

Naft

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT


$120 1.75" drop, lists # for V6 and V8 springs.

aaron7

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That's skechy... how can it be for both V6 and V8?

tnt_viper

I've just sold the fiero to get the camaro. So the eibach sportlines wont work on the camaro V6, only the 8, so why dont they say it's only good for the V8?

This summer I'll be taking off the bra and checking it, when I bought the car I removed 3/4 off it and it looked fine, but it's so could outside, I dont want to force the clamps off, incase I crack the plastic since it's cold.

For the dyno max muffler, what's the name of it?

Dale

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Somewhere on here I made a post about installing the LB8 intake onto a 1991. Find that one and I posted a butt load of pictures.

But its on the lower section of the intake in the nose. Basically, under the filters, its 2 screws per baffle, 2 baffles per side.

Naft

its not, they have 2 different part numbers for the V6 and V8 front springs . . . i would imagine that means they have 2 completely different sets of front springs, one for the v6 and one for the v8.

just look on summitracing.com for dynomax catback and our cars.

aaron7

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Yah, that's what I meant about hollowing the air box.

92camaro/Z03

I personally would drop an ls1, lt1, or even a carbed or throttle bodied 305 or 350. I know this sounds like a big job but it really isn't. It will increase your cars value, performace, sound, etc. And chevy small block v8 performance parts are easy to come by unlike perf. parts for the 2.8L v-6. You could always keep your orginal engine and tranny so if you would every want to switch it back in the future which I doubt you would. Even 1st gen camaros that came with v-6's are almost all v-8's by now b/c no one wants v-6's. But with the nice shape of your car, a nice cleaned up v8 in the engine bay would make it really stand out. You will also be respected more and not woried when a mustang pulls beside you on the highway.

aaron7

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Didn't the 1st gen come with a staight 6... not V6?

Anyways, an engine swap IS a big deal. New motor mounts, wiring harness, no longer emissions legal (not stock size engine), etc. etc.

Not to mention you'd need a new tranny AND your rear end wouldn't last long.

And you'd have to change the tach, no biggie. And the radiator.

So... just keep the V6

stocker85

you ever notice when you go to a car show ,,,you never really see straight 6 1st gen camaros or mustangs,,,,,,youre right everyone switched them,,,,,,,thats why when i see a 6 camaro or mustang its cool because you just dont see them,,,,when the guy does a burnout with a straight 6 its just different (yes they make performance parts for those engines),,,,,in 20 years the surviving 6 will be an oddity because most of them will have carb'd v8's by then,,you've got a bit of experience w. fieros,,,enjoy the 2.8 and hop it up,,,,if you decide you want a v8,,,,,you can always find another cheap one on this board..................

RedTtop5spd

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They do make lowering springs for a V6. I have them on my 85 that died. (Still for sale for anyone who wants to take out the suspension for their car...PM me an offer I need it gone.) They're made by Suspension Techniques. I loved them. Here's a couple links to them.

LMPerformance
http://www.lmperformance.com/1847/18.html

Jegs
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...hItemId=210665

Summit Racing part number STQ-60115

Nocturnall

Personally I'd rather keep my v6, put money into it, fabricate stuff if need be, and take great pleasure in beating v8's in races, and don't say it isn't possible because look at doward.

aaron7

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I got RAPED by a V6 RS once in my Iroc... I know it can be done!

tnt_viper

well thanks I'll have to look into the exhaust and look around for springs. it's either I get springs this summer or a nice set of rims. and I would like to see pics of this guy with a fast V6

tnt_viper

ok....I 've been looking for while at aftermarket parts...I found stock Iroc springs and such, but when it comes to true aftermarket springs...they're all the same, no V6 only or V8 only springs...apart from the 4th gen theres a couple like that. I was looking at the Hotchkis springs and it says for 82-92 camaro/firebird. even this...."This will fit your 82-02 Camaro, IROC-Z, Z28, RS, SS, Firebird, Trans Am, Formula, WS6 or GTA." and then in the ordering check list it says 82-92 ALL , 93-02 LT1 , 93-02 - V6 LS1 . So will these or other aftermarket springs the same for the 6 and the 8? I'm not talking about OEM springs, I'm talking about real aftermarket ones.


http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/inc/sdetail/11620

http://www.fbodymotorsports.com/inc/sdetail/7388

tnt_viper

bump

Doward

Jump on Ebay, do a search for DropZone springs -

They pop up once in a while. I got mine for just over $100 shipped, and I LOVE the stance.

Nice and tight, too, but get at LEAST KYBs to handle them!

tnt_viper

how are the drop zones, I dont want them for the look, sure the lower stance is cool, but I want spring more for better handling.

and what other suspension parts work for sure on the V6 and the V8...cause this spring/summer, I want to go crazy on suspension, but down the road...like lets say in 3-4 years I would like to swap out my V6 for a V8, so I dont want to redo my entire suspension because it wont work with a V8!

Doward

They are nice and stiff... my car handles SOOO much better, with just those springs + new shocks!

tnt_viper

ok , these are what I found and thinking of getting, as long as they work for both engines.

hotchkis adjustable panhard rod, hotchkis lower trailing arms, hotchkis subframe connectors, spohn sway bars, spohn tubular steering brace

drdave88

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heres what mine looks like w/ dropzones on after close to 3 years, still ride and look great.

Dale

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not low enough dave

tnt, all suspension parts are the same for v6/v8 EXCEPT springs, and then you will need to up front front swaybar 1 more notch. But all swaybars mount up the same way.

So LCA's, panhard, wonderbar, subframes all are universal. I have all that on mine(diff brands), plus 1 more item.

TomP

Like RedTTop said, I've got Suspension Techniques springs on my '86... had 'em drop shipped right from the company. Sits pretty good- although it's been sitting for over a month, damn rust!!

drdave88

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yeah, not low enough, tell that to my air dam, lol. ive had to retap the holes and even use a couple zip ties to hold the thing on there, lol.