kevo2k6

wut would be a good turbo to throw on the 3.1L v6? im lookin at turbos on ebay im think like a t25 but wut would u guys suggest?

vortex

would i be good cop or bad cop if i just said.. digga, a digga digga ....

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=231396

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=183553

RedTtop5spd

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You'd be both at the same time.

Do a lot of research before starting this project. Best of luck.

oil pan 4

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I think T25's are to small, if I rebmer right there only good for about 250hp.
Any one have a link to a compressor map?

kevo2k6

is a t3 bigger or smaller than the t25?

90firebird

good luck on the project....

also, seeing you're from california like i am, good luck smogging it and getting it registered...

kevo2k6

yea smog will really suck doubt ill pass. ive got sum connections though for the underground stuff. wut part of cali u in?

2_point8_boy

if you have a buddy that is willing to pass your car with a mod like that, then he is probably willing to do it for others as well. That means that the BAR will be on his **** faster than you can say turbo, he'll lose his liscence, and then what? The best luck that we Californians have is to either wait until someone comes out with a CARB approved turbo kit for us or to do a COMPLETE swap from a currently smog-able vehicle and get the referee to give you a BAR Label for it. Good luck on that though.

90firebird

^^ well said... thats pretty much the gist of the situation...


i'm in Long Beach, btw

ScrapMaker

seems like california is too liberal... come to texas where you can drive anything with wheels

if the guy inspecting your car likes it, he will most likely just check your bulbs and let you go... the guy i got didn't even do that...

90firebird

yeah... damn california emission *****...

oil pan 4

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Over on the camarov6.com tango used a T04B
@15psi he got
336rwhp
400rwtq about
He changed the turbo and his turbo piping some with the T61
@5psi
290rwhp
400rwtq, all most
It looks like the bigger turbo is better in our case.
My advice, cut and run.
Move to Tx or NewMexico, all most any thing goes and say good by to $4 a gallon gas prices.
If my next base is in Ca I'll be screwed, my cars most of my guns what armor pearcing & tracer rounds I have will be illigal.
It will be just japan all most. I won't beable to have any of my cool stuff just like over here.

Doward

Just a reference -

T04B s trim (What he was running @ 15psi) = 525 cfm @ 14.7psi
16G Small Wheel = 520 cfm @ 14.7psi
16G upgraded, clipped, ported = 550 cfm @ 14.7psi

I'll be running a slightly bigger turbo, on a slightly smaller motor, with a slightly bigger intercooler, and should have more adiabatic pumping efficiency, since the 525 cfm of the T04B is @ 50% efficiency, vs MHI's 550 on the 60% efficiency line...

What's this mean?

15psi should actually build more power on my 3.1/16G, than Tiago's T04B/3.4.

But hey, theory is all well in good. We'll see what ACTUALLY happens.

Wish us luck!

ScrapMaker

I still want to make a blower out of my smog pump

vortex

been thought of before.. a number of issues that made it not feasible.. (1) pulley size, wouldnt produce air worth a damn, (2) air pushed out of an S/P is far less than what an engine can run on, so you would have to have a cold air induction with that plumbed in to keep your engine from choking out.. and (3) one of the most important aspects is that a supercharger uses impellers to spin the air inside and compress the air (hence the heat and need for an I/C), a smog pump is just that.. air in air out.. basically a valve with a pulley. no compression..

not trying to sound like a smart ***, its just youd have to build the guts of an air pump and the cost of fabrication would most likely be more than the cost of just a supercharger head unit.

oil pan 4

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Our v6 engine is not a blower engine at all. The intake is to restrictive, blower engines need a good intake side.
It would make a great nitrous engine if any thing, because of it's good exhaust flow.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

I've heard of people using their smog pumps & converting them to air pumps. Might want to go in that direction.

Doward

This is news to me!

br()bert

I guess he hasnt taken a good look at the stock exhaust manifolds ?

vortex

I have... its the equivalent to a 500 lb man running a marathon... breathing only thru a straw...... ..... a straw with a potato stuck in it.


oh.. and your t-pipes dont help none...

Dale

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yea, our manifolds suck.........







er blow.......




you know what I mean

br()bert

LMFAO

So whats the best guess the headders will add?

vortex

well i have a WIP on a different set.. something a little more functional.. usually a header swap is good for at least 5-10ish right? im guessing a smidge more if bolted on at the same time as a VP turbo kit.
seriously tho, i need a few more paychecks before i can get the plasma and get thru the metal the way i want.. also i got a new project 4x4 in the works... so its bleeding impossible to get anything done so stretched out.


***** on your forehead

Doward

??? WHEN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT PIC OF ME!!??

so much time... so little beer., :lala:

oil pan 4

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My pipes...
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These should flow ok.

mw66nova

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and sound like absolute butt....






(did i say that out loud?)

br()bert

:werd: Id like to see the tq numbers with those.

TechSmurf

.... I gotta agree with 'em. That's not going to sound pretty (personal experience). At least they're flowing the right direction, though. A+ for the road less traveled

One question.. what diameter are those pipes? They look about 1/2" too large.

oil pan 4

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The pipes are 1 3/8'' SS, pre bent, the bolt holes line up perfectly and I found a hole pile of them, they were used on a diesel engines and are several years old and have no rust on them.
There the main part of my turbo manifold. Now all I need is the measurements, more Argon, and some .025'' 309L or better mig wire. I will have full SS turbo manifolds.
Back home I had ported non EGR manifolds on the old 2.8 I don't know if they helped any because the last "new engine" turned out to be a peace of crap that lasted 400 miles.

Doward

Yep... just a bit more time, then we'll see how our own creation flows.

Doward

RedTtop5spd

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Wow...that's really looking nice.

Doward

Thanks... we're doing this for us - the V6ers with the 'puny' engines!

RedTtop5spd

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Well, I just ordered my new clutch, and, as stated in another post, I'm not doing my own turbo setup anymore. So, get it done and you're likely to get another buyer.

br()bert

I can see this being brought up for some time now.

TechSmurf

Weird.. they look bigger in the pic. *shrug* perfect stuff. Should be interesting to see what it looks like when yer done

Doward

No hard feelings, man. I can't begin to count the number of times V8 guys (mostly 4th gen, actually) have laughed since I started this project. Just a little more, and we'll see who laughs last!

RedTTop, not a problem. Like V said, we're currently working on a set of headers, as well - but while these may not have the CARB number of the Pacesetters, our goal is to exceed their performance. After all, we're not worried about street legal - we're worried about race only

Also, just in case anyone is wondering, the headers V is working on, can be used with our turbo kit, or N/A - Yes, that means you can get a set of headers, enjoy the benefits, and then get the turbo kit later - AND YOU'LL ALREADY HAVE HEADERS THAT WILL WORK WITH IT! Pretty cool, eh? I've always loved interchangeability (Thank you, Poncho Gods!)

Oil pan, that's stainless steel? I thought SS was shiney? Or are they just really dirty?

oil pan 4

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There old, they came with diesel soot in them and most have rtv on them. I don't think they were ever shinny.
They have no trace of rust, good for some thing that has been on a diesel engine for years in a place that rains all the time.
There 1 3/8'' I.D.
And I have 2.5'' down pipes for the turbos there from the stock 1.8T beetle, also SS. There just about the same color and texture of the 1 3/8'' header pipes.

fly89gta

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**** 'em. Your project isn't something I'd take the time and $$ to do but it's YOUR time and $$$. If you're willing to spend it on a project like this and it makes you happy that's all that matters

ScrapMaker

any word on how much the headers alone will cost at first?

Doward

I'm thinking $299, coated.

We'll see as that progresses... it's in Vortex's hands right now - he's building a custom collector for it.

Pillsbry10

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would it be hard to adapt it to a set of headers i already have on my car?

i cant wait for you all to get done with this, you can count me in thats for sure

Doward

Depends on how your current headers are set up.... I *might* be able to adapt the turbo kit to the pacesetter headers, but until I can actually get a set, I won't know...

Pillsbry10

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well i have the PF@E headers.... http://www.deadbird.org/swin/index.php?showtopic=8

there are plenty of pics of the install on there, what do ya think?

Doward

If I were to get a set of the PF&E headers, it wouldn't be too hard to make them work with the turbo kit. Problem is, how many PF&E headers are out there for the V6?

Pillsbry10

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hmm...yeah this is true, i think im the only member still on the board that has them. ill have to look at the setup you use and see if i cant fab somethign up to make it work. maybe ill road trip to flordia and see what you can do lol

vortex

ok... i just gotta step in here for a minute...

ok.. im done.. later...



oh, and we're gonna have some new toys soon.. just hang on the hook a little longer... got a few tricks up the sleeves of the new VP tank tops on sale $10.99 US.

Pillsbry10

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hahaha o o count me in on the Tank Top!!!

vortex

unholy Sh*t doughboy, you just wanna invest in VP now don't ya... Im wondering if we might just give a kit at cost to those who donate to the fund... :-)

Pillsbry10

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hahaha now theres an idea