Doward

specs:
3.1L 60º V6
standard sized pistons
moly rings
MTC-5 cam kit (204/214 @ .050", .420/.443" lift, 107/117 centerline)
crank kit - .030" on the mains, .020" on the roads
stock rods
vs380 springs @ 1.72" installed height
clean up the heads, maybe port/polish (not sure yet) - if we do, I'll port/polish the exhaust manifolds/plenum/runners and all too.
new timing kit
4 cases of beer
and then whatever Vortex is drinking. Saw 2 kegs earlier, so who knows...

pics coming soon.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

uh, yeah.

Doward

Old 2.8 comin out.

Old 3.1 guts (pretty clean Alan)

14B & 16G

Housings

Boost Controller

Cranky and Crank

ONES!

Project: 85 2.8 bird

edit: mysterious double post deleted

Nixon1

Thats a lotta different kinds of beer there man... Lemme know when the project's done. I've got half a 1.75 of cheap ABC Vodka I gotta kill.

Pretty sweet looking stuff man. Cant wait til she's up and purring again. Or is it chirping.....?

Doward

More like -

Dale

iTrader: (12)

wooop woop, engine be gone :lala:


Now hurry up and get the 3.1 in Your killing me on this "no timeslip" thing


2.8 crank isnt light is it, can use it as a bench press weight

Doward

lol, no, the crank is NOT light!

Wow... upgrading the turbo, and dropping a fully rebuilt 3.1 into the '88, and almost no interest? I'm disappointed.

I'll get pics of everything I do port, though.

Gumby

Maybe they didn't like being flipped off [crank pic] and decided not to say anything But about 50 mod reports.

Doward

rofl! The dreaded DOUBLE DEUCE! lol!

Didn't mean anything at all by it guys

Doward

2.8 and T5 are out.. T5 is seperated from the 2.8... 2.8 is coming apart...

Dale

iTrader: (12)

quit typing and wrench damnit

Doward

I am, I am...

*throws a wrench*

Damn wrenching...

2.8 is almost completely apart. About to see what the rod looked like, that spun...

AM91Camaro_RS

who cares about the rod....put the 3.1 in! take the 2.8 apart later.

Doward

LOL, i would, but the cam bearings don't arrive until tomorrow, and the springs/cam kit comes in Friday, so it'll be this weekend before she gets fired up

85f-bird

doward don't lose the faith...people still care, and i never get enough of people doing stuff with engines...build it good, build it strong, and you'll probalby never build it good enough to not mess with it again cause the better you make it work, the better you'll be wanting to make it work...do i hear a 3.4L swap sometime down the line also .

Project: 85 2.8 bird

before you put the new motor gother, have the pistons, valves, & cumbustion chambers thermal/ceramic coated. You wont be dissapointed :rockon:

Doward

lol, no way... turbo 3.1 is the goal.

Cam and all arriving friday... cam bearings in tomorrow... bottom end going together tomorrow.

So far so good

Doward

I would, but until I find a RELIABLE (aka, won't burn off) coating, I don't intend to spend the extra $$.

Maybe when I bore it .030", get some forged 8:1 pistons, and forged rods I might...

Project: 85 2.8 bird

wait on that, let me consult my back issues of hpp, they list a good source

edit:

found in Oct 01 issue of HPP, building 9 sec engines
http://www.swaintech.com/

they also mention cryogenic tempering & Evans Cooling Systems (no web site at time, but I have a phone #)

CamaroRS385hp

hmm, Naddy Ice, definetely not my first choice, but it'll do when you're on a budget....

nice work so far, i woulda gotten fed up a LONG time ago with all the crap you've run into....can't wait to see it finished

Doward

LOL... not sure how much of it is perserverance, or just plain stubborness.

Cam bearings are in! Time to finish cleaning, start P&P'ing everything, and reassembly!

Firebirdjoe

Hey Doward, let me know if you need any parts. I have a 3.1 completely dissasembled in my garage. I have machine milled 3.1 heads and intake manifold. New pistons and all. The project was scrapped due to the amount of money and time... but I still have everything.

Maverick H1L

iTrader: (8)

With all of this talk about tearing old, poor engines apart, I have to ask since I'm in a large bind:

Can someone here supply me with a 2.8 or 3.1 fuel rail? My return fitting on the rail is stripped and leaks like a sieve. And GM wants $52 for the part I need!

Project: 85 2.8 bird

helicoil that sucker.

Maverick H1L

iTrader: (8)

That would be nice, except I need one for the caliper pin too and they aren't cheap-like $8 a piece and I didn't know I could find one for those fine threads.

Doward

OH THE CARNAGE! 2.8 ickies

Project: 85 2.8 bird

Dale

iTrader: (12)

thats not very pretty

85f-bird

Doward, cmon, ya can't burn, spin, and gouge bearing b4 they're installed, do you really think Summit will give you a refund on those.

Well, least ya can see the cause of isseus, or the result of issues i guess would be more appropriate.

Oh, and Dow...are they ugly, yes, but i saw worse in an automotive class here at the university....amazing what some of the stuff we see in that class look like, and what some people do to engines, like (not maintain them). people who say "The oil was supposed to be changed?"

vortex

yeah.. cept this one wasnt our fault.. wasnt the turbo either cuz its been off for about 6 months. it was just 112,000 mile engine and well we have no idea what it went thru before dizzle got ahold of it.. well a fresh 3.1 and cough cough psi on the turbo.. we're gonna have some fun with it..:lala:

theratdude64

I may be able to... I have an 88 2.8 I got at the junkyard to drop in my old Sport Coupe that was Automatic, but then i found my current 2.8 that had a T5 in it, couldnt pass it up, lol

theratdude64

Here is what i found when I opened up my 2.8 after a loud thunk. Along with the nasty smell of the oil when you take out the crank bolts, lol

Maverick H1L

iTrader: (8)

I have just one word for those pics: DAMN!... or is it OUCH!.... I don't know I and I don't think it matters that much, but I can say "bye bye engine!" And I suppose that I might as well add that the Chevy I was driving for a parts beater is in the shop unitl next Wed... head gasket went in a poor time and could not be fixed until now, heads are pitted and have to be machined... dad says that the engine is in around a dozen pieces or so around that bay of the shop... OUCH! and it's going to cost over a grand, too.... DOUBLE WHAMMY! OUCH!

Doward

damn... our 2.8 somehow got both bearings onto the same side as the cap, and smashed them FLAT.

Check out the heads in the new post, too

AM91Camaro_RS

both of them in the cap? no wonder it was knockin...

Nixon1

You guys realize I'm gonna have nightmares about these photos here. Good ***. Makes me wonder how close my 3.1 was to blowing. Considering I redlined it (tranny didnt want to shift) at every WOT acceleration, which was at least 5 times a day on frequent driving days, and drove it like that for over a year.
But hey...the lady that bought it is still driving it.....

And to ratdude....GOOD ***! I thought Doward's stuff was bad..... Hell, I thought MY 302 was bad with a bent connecting rod. But it didn't knock or ping, ran 14.5 in the 1/4, burned lots of oil, had an oil pump sludged so bad we couldnt believe it built pressure, and it only had 125 psi of compression in the last cylinder. Guess I was one of the luckier ones.

Doward

Definetly... It's going to be fun to see how the V6 handles boost.

theratdude64

The Dipstick was missin on the car when I bought it, I guess the former owner thought it didnt have any in, so when i drained it it had like 7 quarts in it, heh

I got it from a pawn shop for $450... Turned out to be worth it because it dontated TONS of stuff to my new one, such as my hood and front end. lol :lala:

devianb

Yeah, I still care, although I have lost interest in the 2.8l after wanting to get a TA pending my my graduation. I still want to see what the 60 degree engine can do.

Nixon1

These 60 degrees are definitely untapped resources... What we'll be finding out here is whether they turn out to be windmills or nuclear powerplants. Hopefully the latter...

85f-bird

dow and vortex, hopefully i didn't make that sound like it was ur guyz fault, i knew it wasn't and was trying to find a good way of sayin it, but couldn't think of anything....neway, good luck with the new one, sure it's gonna be a rocketship, especially after all the tuning is all finished. best of luck :-d lets get it running...then bring it to my shop in st. louis and let Eve Customs do the paint on it.

Doward

*laughes* What would I get charged for it? Just want a straight gloss black paint!