TFM4th

i went to firebirdv6.com and did the cold air intake setup. im still waiting for the filter to come in, but i went to test it out after doing everything that was on the webpage and my "check engine" light stays on. i hooked up the little sensor (that used to be in that box with the filter) into the tubing but i never hooked up the mass air flow sensor card (looks like a computer card). it dosent say to on the site.. should i put the card in the tubing also? i thought that it might be related to the check engine light so i just hooked it up but the light stays on still (it isnt in the tube though just plugged in). also my idle goes down to 2K then slowly to 1K RPM instead of just going down to 1K rpm's.

could this have to do with my just not having the filter on yet so theirs lack of suction?? i really am not that great w/ engines as u can prob see.

any advice would be aprreciated

attached is a picture of what ive done so far

TFM4th

here is the mass air flow sensor (card) im talking about

Gumby

Yikes...........

You have a computer controled car. You should allways assume that you need them sensors, no matter if mentioned or not.

But yes you need the MAF.
How else is the computer gonna know how much air is coming in the engine???

The other one is the air temp sensor.

Matt

TomP

From what I remember of that site, they detailed it for the 90-92 3.1 v6's, which don't have a MAF.

So you're correct, install the MAF in the spot you indicated for an 85-89 2.8.

camaro_junkie

You would still get the light even if you plugged in the sensor (without installing it in the pipe) because at idle, the engine is sucking in air which would cause a reading. If it's not in the pipe, there's no air flow, no reading. Blow through it and see if the light goes off (chuckle). Or maybe just hold it on the end of the intake and see if the light goes off.

TFM4th

alright thanks guys.. ill try it n see what happens .. but itll have to be on friday... im freeking working from 7AM tommorow (thursday) untill midnight!! by then ill have my filter too, ill let ya know how it went

thanks for the help

Tom

TFM4th

alright i finished it and put the mass sensor in in place of the straight tube... i got pics of the finished product but i got to get them on my computer.. the laptop i use to download them on isnt here at the moment. but i took it for a test drive and i noticed a nice little imporvement. before when i started out from a stop or when i went up hills, any extra little work it would have to do it would struggle.... giving a little bouncy feeling... forward slow foward slow forward slow exc. , now after the install it dosent struggle at all its so much nicer driving it now.

theratdude64

I am also trying something like that, does it matter if the MAF is in before of the other sensor, or does it HAVE to be after it like it is with the stock intake?

TFM4th

im not sure. i would think that it would have to be in the same order but u never konw.. test it out before you make it final thats all

Lee7

it doesnt matter, the the closer the AIT sensor is to the air actually going into the engine, the more accurate it would be.

The optimal location would be in one of the cylinder head runners, but that would be a PITA putting it there.

One of the intake manifold runners would probably be the best option if you really wanted to relocate it.

TFM4th

here are the finished pics

TFM4th

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theratdude64

I just wanted to make a *dont shoot me for sayin it* honda style intake where its the metal pipe with the sensor somewhere in the middle and the Cone filter bolted streight to the MAF then to the pipe. I had this setup, sorta, but my other camaro didnt have the Air intake sensor, and I didnt know it needed one till I did the Diagnostics on it... Heres a pic of how I had it. Is it possible to dril a hole in that hose pipe thingy that comes with it? I have 2 so mabey i can just stick the sensor in one of em....

theratdude64

sorry, it didnt load the pic right... here it is

TFM4th

yea i would think that would work as long as that guy was right about it not mattering about what order they are in. i dunno if it would reach all the way up there though.. my sensor was on a short leash.

theratdude64

lol, hadnt thought of that... If I have to, i can have that hose, go to the MAF, into the other hose, with the sensor in it, to the filter...

Slow2.8

TomP

Only problem is that the heat of the intake manifold or cylinder head would affect the sensor and give a false reading. (Thus the reason the sensor is called MAT - manifold air temp - because it was located in the intake manifold on v8's, and thus the reason that MAT relocation kits are popular for v8's.)