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Just as soon as I get another oil pan... we'll be back in business!
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Originally posted by 614Streets
Uh they do have the blueprint for the 3.1 crank , dont let them tell you otherwise.
Uh they do have the blueprint for the 3.1 crank , dont let them tell you otherwise.
Im gonna call up SCAT cranks and see what they charge, and go from there.
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someone call the pentagon, this thread's been hijacked... again.
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
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Originally posted by vortex
someone call the pentagon, this thread's been hijacked... again.
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
someone call the pentagon, this thread's been hijacked... again.
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
sorry, couldn't resist
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Originally posted by vortex
someone call the pentagon, this thread's been hijacked... again.
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
someone call the pentagon, this thread's been hijacked... again.
Wasn't someone supposed to hook Doward up with a pan before i drive as-is?
He sent me a PM to me with his AIM name, i added him but he wasnt on, and has not tryed to contact me since.
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Car: 88 BMW 535i
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Also, Doward, when and if you decided to get some headers for your turbo setup, these look like they would work well:
V6 SPRINT MANIFOLD SET WITH HEAT COATING
Sprint manifolds are sand mandrel bent from heavy gauge steel with flame cut flanges. The manifolds fit exactly to your cylinder head ports while the improved header design and enlarged pipes give smooth power and torque gains throughout the RPM band. Both manifolds are heat coated inside and out, allowing the removal of your factory heat shields. This high tech coating reduces underhood temperatures, enhances flow and increases life and durability. Does not include mounting hardware.
They are $549.00 from www.fierostore.com
V6 SPRINT MANIFOLD SET WITH HEAT COATING
Sprint manifolds are sand mandrel bent from heavy gauge steel with flame cut flanges. The manifolds fit exactly to your cylinder head ports while the improved header design and enlarged pipes give smooth power and torque gains throughout the RPM band. Both manifolds are heat coated inside and out, allowing the removal of your factory heat shields. This high tech coating reduces underhood temperatures, enhances flow and increases life and durability. Does not include mounting hardware.
They are $549.00 from www.fierostore.com
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Lee7's shipping the oil pan tomorrow... I should have it Monday-ish. Don't forget to PM Vortex with the tracking info!
Once that arrives, Vortex and I are going to re run the oil return line in 3/4" or 5/8" (whichever will fit). We'll work from there...
Next week guys! Turbo v 1.1!
Once that arrives, Vortex and I are going to re run the oil return line in 3/4" or 5/8" (whichever will fit). We'll work from there...
Next week guys! Turbo v 1.1!
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Where you been Doward...we're all waiting on the news to see whether it runs again or not...get off your lazy butt and let us know.
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I'm waiting for Lee7 to PM me with a tracking number of the oil pan.. you said you'd send it... got a tracking number for us?
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And the exhaust manifold is finally off! The project moves on. Next, soaking driver's side Y-pipe bolts in pb blaster and trying to disconnect it without snapping them! Whee! Pipe-cutter to the Y-pipe just after the O2 sensor, a little welding to cap it off, a chop to the passenger side of the pipe, and a flange... and the Y-pipe portion of the project is complete (week)
Next, the new custom manifold.... muahaha...
Spare time project: Mounting brackets from outer fog light mount holes to intercooler mount points.. which on one axis line up perfectly. Praise the Fbody ***! Plus cuts to the bumper to allow intercooler flow.
Updates as major progress occurs. Pics if I ever see a digital camera.
EDIT: HOLY.. .. I just got word the wastegate is in the mail! YES!@! THE FINAL MECHANICAL PART! WOO!
Next, the new custom manifold.... muahaha...
Spare time project: Mounting brackets from outer fog light mount holes to intercooler mount points.. which on one axis line up perfectly. Praise the Fbody ***! Plus cuts to the bumper to allow intercooler flow.
Updates as major progress occurs. Pics if I ever see a digital camera.
EDIT: HOLY.. .. I just got word the wastegate is in the mail! YES!@! THE FINAL MECHANICAL PART! WOO!
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Originally posted by vortex
I'm waiting for Lee7 to PM me with a tracking number of the oil pan.. you said you'd send it... got a tracking number for us?
I'm waiting for Lee7 to PM me with a tracking number of the oil pan.. you said you'd send it... got a tracking number for us?
I looked everywhere outside and in my garage, i think my uncle may have threw it away when i pulled the engine and told him i dont need it.
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PIcking up the pan today...
Gonna tap that pan!
Gonna tap that pan!
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about bleeding time right?
and we're proud to say we've upgraded from that cheesy PVC.. we now have Duct tape and cardboard.. that should hold the boost in better.
progress is slowly but surely.. but we are definitely keeping with the progress...
and we're proud to say we've upgraded from that cheesy PVC.. we now have Duct tape and cardboard.. that should hold the boost in better.
progress is slowly but surely.. but we are definitely keeping with the progress...
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Yes to the progress... need more hours in a day though. Hopefully, no more oil blow by!
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Actually guys, the next 'upgrade' will be to run normal metal piping for the intake. Be better for mounting the BOV....
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Not yet... check the sig to see latest track data, without the turbo.
Burning oil, with a stuttering coil, I walked a 16.7 second Dodge Truck (buddy's) with ease. Not sure, but thinking 15's without tuning her yet....
We'll know after Vortex adn I get the oil pan set up, the oil return line fixed, and run again.
Oh yeah, Vortex - discussing the turbo setup with a friend online, and he expressed concern about starving the engine of oil with the T at the sending unit. Seemed to think that we could be pulling most of the oil from the pump, into the turbo, and straight to the pan.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to pop off a valve cover, and just be certain that oil is flowing through the entire block, don't you think?
Burning oil, with a stuttering coil, I walked a 16.7 second Dodge Truck (buddy's) with ease. Not sure, but thinking 15's without tuning her yet....
We'll know after Vortex adn I get the oil pan set up, the oil return line fixed, and run again.
Oh yeah, Vortex - discussing the turbo setup with a friend online, and he expressed concern about starving the engine of oil with the T at the sending unit. Seemed to think that we could be pulling most of the oil from the pump, into the turbo, and straight to the pan.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to pop off a valve cover, and just be certain that oil is flowing through the entire block, don't you think?
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Interesting usage of dsm parts...
you should put some kind of regulator on the oil supply, 80 lb of pressure will just blow out the seals. about 20 would be more than adequate.
BTW I have an old 14b turbo, it needs to be rebuilt but all of the non replacement parts are perfect.
I'm also going to have a 1g bov to sell pretty soon as I am getting an HKS valve.
I find all of this interesting as I traded a v6 firebird for my talon.
you should put some kind of regulator on the oil supply, 80 lb of pressure will just blow out the seals. about 20 would be more than adequate.
BTW I have an old 14b turbo, it needs to be rebuilt but all of the non replacement parts are perfect.
I'm also going to have a 1g bov to sell pretty soon as I am getting an HKS valve.
I find all of this interesting as I traded a v6 firebird for my talon.
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Hmm... wonder what you'd want for the 14b? twins would go nice on the 354 '77 Bird.
We're planning on re-doing the oil return, and then if that doesn't fix it, regulate the oil to the turbo... thanks man!
We're planning on re-doing the oil return, and then if that doesn't fix it, regulate the oil to the turbo... thanks man!
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ya, my Talon has a regulated oil tap on the head that feeds the turbo, too much oil pressure can cause the turbo to smoke and dump oil into the intake badly. Just not meant to have that much pressure in it. and I'm pretty sure a 2.8 runs higher pressure than mine.
I'd probably only want like 60$ for the old 14b. it just needs new seals as it had 144K on it, amazingly has very little shaft play. Just a rebuild kit and a balance.
Should see the new 16g I have it's bad, lets me pull 17# no problem. would probably be pretty badass on a 2.8.
I didn't read the whole thing, what kind of boost control do you have on there?
I'd probably only want like 60$ for the old 14b. it just needs new seals as it had 144K on it, amazingly has very little shaft play. Just a rebuild kit and a balance.
Should see the new 16g I have it's bad, lets me pull 17# no problem. would probably be pretty badass on a 2.8.
I didn't read the whole thing, what kind of boost control do you have on there?
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What size feed line are you using to the turbo?
I have a -4 braided line feeding my turbo, and have NO engine oil starvation problems. I am using a high flow oil pump. I don't think you would be starving the engine, even if you were using a stock good working oil pump, as there seems to be plenty of flow even in that case.
I know of quite a few people with 2nd generation 2.8s and 3.1s that have turbocharged them, Teed (there is no good way to write that. LOL) at the oil pressure sender, with no oil starvation issues.
Still a good idea to check.
Oil drain back is the biggest issue when it comes to oil pushing through the seals, if the drain back is too restrictive, then the oil will follow the path of least resitance, through the seals.
I would do lots of checking on oil flow to the turbo BEFORE attempting any restricting of the oil feed to the turbo, oil starvation of the turbo will definatly shorten it's life.
A lot of people will reccomend placing the oil pressure sender at the fitting at the turbo, this will be a better indication of oil pressure at the turbo, if you wanted you could place a second sensor at this point and wire it to a separate gauge and compare any differences in pressure between engine oil and turbo feed oil.
I have a -4 braided line feeding my turbo, and have NO engine oil starvation problems. I am using a high flow oil pump. I don't think you would be starving the engine, even if you were using a stock good working oil pump, as there seems to be plenty of flow even in that case.
I know of quite a few people with 2nd generation 2.8s and 3.1s that have turbocharged them, Teed (there is no good way to write that. LOL) at the oil pressure sender, with no oil starvation issues.
Still a good idea to check.
Oil drain back is the biggest issue when it comes to oil pushing through the seals, if the drain back is too restrictive, then the oil will follow the path of least resitance, through the seals.
I would do lots of checking on oil flow to the turbo BEFORE attempting any restricting of the oil feed to the turbo, oil starvation of the turbo will definatly shorten it's life.
A lot of people will reccomend placing the oil pressure sender at the fitting at the turbo, this will be a better indication of oil pressure at the turbo, if you wanted you could place a second sensor at this point and wire it to a separate gauge and compare any differences in pressure between engine oil and turbo feed oil.
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Originally posted by funstick
hmm 3/16 feed is big enough unless your feeding a gaint t76 or something
hmm 3/16 feed is big enough unless your feeding a gaint t76 or something
Generally on larger turbos, especially those that are used for drag racing you will see -6 (3/8") to -8 (1/2") feed lines and much much larger drain back hoses, -10 (5/8", this is what I am using) to -16 (1").
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the flip side to that is in the event of turbo bearing failure you are left without enough restriction in the feed line to keep the engine oiled. fyi the orrifice in the turbo bearing is 1/16. at least in my turbo. for larger turbos yes they do need more oil but for the t3 im using i have more then sufficient flow. my 3/16 lines flows 2x the actual oil cunsumption per hr of the turbo bearing.
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Hey... Doward here.
This is NOT a shameless bump to the top. Believe me.
Pulled the turbo out, working on the 5/8th (that's what we decided) oil return line. Haven't actually gotten the pan out yet... I'm actually NOT wanting to do it. But what the hell... too late to turn back now!
Gonna see if Vortex wants to tap that new oil pan... he's needin' to tap something anyway...
:lala: :lala:
Anyway... pizza hut food went down. More work to be done... where's the cold ones???
This is NOT a shameless bump to the top. Believe me.
Pulled the turbo out, working on the 5/8th (that's what we decided) oil return line. Haven't actually gotten the pan out yet... I'm actually NOT wanting to do it. But what the hell... too late to turn back now!
Gonna see if Vortex wants to tap that new oil pan... he's needin' to tap something anyway...
:lala: :lala:
Anyway... pizza hut food went down. More work to be done... where's the cold ones???
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GOOD NEWS!
Exhaust pulled off, turbo pulled out, intake tract pulled out, brackets unbolted, and distributor cap pulled off.
Driveshaft out... tranny shifter/boot/upper shift boot all out. Cherry picker hooked up, and tranny backed up about 8".
Engine up in air, oil pan is OFF. I feel like celebrating! Pulled an all-nighter, it's now 6:20am, and the pan is OFF!!
That's right... we here at Vortex Performance never sleep! ....except... ah... Vortex there who's sleeping in the living room. Heh... Damn, what a load of work just to replace a stupid oil pan. That's what I get for listening to Beej! :lala:
Course, now I need an oil pan gasket, and still have to tap the new oil pan.
Exhaust pulled off, turbo pulled out, intake tract pulled out, brackets unbolted, and distributor cap pulled off.
Driveshaft out... tranny shifter/boot/upper shift boot all out. Cherry picker hooked up, and tranny backed up about 8".
Engine up in air, oil pan is OFF. I feel like celebrating! Pulled an all-nighter, it's now 6:20am, and the pan is OFF!!
That's right... we here at Vortex Performance never sleep! ....except... ah... Vortex there who's sleeping in the living room. Heh... Damn, what a load of work just to replace a stupid oil pan. That's what I get for listening to Beej! :lala:
Course, now I need an oil pan gasket, and still have to tap the new oil pan.
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This bites! Noone's here to celebrate?
Imagine the sound of one beer clinking.... heh... damn, I should get some rest now....
Imagine the sound of one beer clinking.... heh... damn, I should get some rest now....
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ive been readin this post for awhile, i dont have a v6 bird but i think this is a awesome and unique project u guys are doin :yourock:
keep up the good work and good luck in the future
keep up the good work and good luck in the future
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Rock on, Doward! In the words of an old local radio personality, Larry the Cable Guy, "Getter done."
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Awesome to hear guys!! Funny thing is I've done pretty many projects with my friends on my car late at night... and they were done well too!!
I can't wait till you guys have that bad boy up and running!!!
I can't wait till you guys have that bad boy up and running!!!
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I work better at night! It's cooler out so I'm more relaxed and can think clearer. The only problem is light, and mosquitos.
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I did about 90% of the work on my car after 10pm. Post when the new erl pan is back on & we'll all suck down a Mickey's 40oz for ya
p.s. what is the p/n (if you remember) for the T from the erl pressure sender to feed the turbo erl?
p.s. what is the p/n (if you remember) for the T from the erl pressure sender to feed the turbo erl?
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The T for the oil feed, built for like $6 from Home Depot....
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Ok, oil pan should be set tomorrow. Stupid guy at the boneyard swore up and down the '93 Blazer 2.8 had the same oil pan as my '88 Camaro. NO IT DOESN'T. U shaped at the timing cover, vs the Blazer's V shaped.
More as the week progresses...
More as the week progresses...
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holley crap someone is really doing it!!!! congrats man!!!
holley crap someone is really doing it!!!! congrats man!!!
All I know so far, is in the time I used to accelerate to 70mph, and click 3rd, I was deep in 4th, about to knock on 100mph. :hail:
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THAT big a difference? Man...that car must really like to be breathed on....
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Gonna do everything I can to get that pan today... here's hoping next Wednesday yields a track run!
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Doward, im gonna be working late today, call my cell and give me an update... I can give you a hand when i get home.. whenever that is...
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Will do... just have to wait for Julie to return with the truck, so I can get going
Vortex, I'm gonna yank the two front tires, and pick up some new ones while I'm out. Saturday or Monday, I'm gonna get an alignment done...
Vortex, I'm gonna yank the two front tires, and pick up some new ones while I'm out. Saturday or Monday, I'm gonna get an alignment done...
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Doward here... jeez.
Anyone notice like.. ALL the big updates are late night?
Oughta be Late Night with Vortex Performance around here...
Anyway. Just got a fender from RamAirZ (Thanks again man!) and am about to bolt everything together. Good times ahead. (HA)
More as it comes together...
Anyone notice like.. ALL the big updates are late night?
Oughta be Late Night with Vortex Performance around here...
Anyway. Just got a fender from RamAirZ (Thanks again man!) and am about to bolt everything together. Good times ahead. (HA)
More as it comes together...
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3 days off from work... New fender on, lip pulled off, oil pan tapped/sealed, and tomorrow, she goes back together... here's hoping!
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Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: GU5/G80/J65
Doward, can you take pictures and/or dimensions of where your tapping the oil pan. Any details, pictures are best. I am in thoughts of turbo on mine after finding woman better daily driver. :lala:
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Car: 00 T/A Firehawk
Engine: 346ci LS1
Transmission: MN6
Axle/Gears: 3.42 LSD
I just finished installing a turbo in my friends' US Lancer OZ Rally, and man can I say I have MAJOR respect even more then before for you guys even thinking about doing this project! He had ordered the turbo kit for his car, and it came with every piece and even a manual to install it, but that by NO MEANS meant it was easy or SIMPLE! Because a lot of things WEREN'T written!! I mean we had EVERY part needed, but yet it was incredibly hard!
And you guys are starting from SCRATCH!! :hail: But I think it was a total waste on his car, it's running 5 PSI, and he only had 120HP to begin with, so now basically he is up to the rest of the pack, if that...
But I must say, you guys definately had your work cut out for you!! I can't wait to hear/see/read about your car up running Doward and Vortex!!!:lala:
And you guys are starting from SCRATCH!! :hail: But I think it was a total waste on his car, it's running 5 PSI, and he only had 120HP to begin with, so now basically he is up to the rest of the pack, if that...
But I must say, you guys definately had your work cut out for you!! I can't wait to hear/see/read about your car up running Doward and Vortex!!!:lala: