Doward

Hey guys. Over the course of the next month or so, I plan to be the first turbocharged 2.8 Chevy Camaro in existance.

So without further adieu, Chapter One - collecting the necessary parts.

Here we have the turbo and intercooler -

Doward

What we have here is a stock IC off a 1G DSM. The turbo is a TD05H-14B trim turbo. 420cfm @ 15psi. Should be good for about 8-10 psi max on the 2.8L V6. I'm shooting for 6-8psi, and around 200rwhp.

I've already gotten 19pph injectors. Next is the chip, and sending the injectors to Rich @ Cruzin Performance. I'm awaiting his email to tell me to send them in

Next will be getting the necessary piping in place, using PVC as a template.

(Figured this would give me an easy way to keep you guys updated on the Turbo Project)

Project: 85 2.8 bird

don't forget names, p/ns & prices fro other crap like blow off valve, any chip/ecm timing work, turbo timer (if used), oil cooler, .....

Doward

Prices so far -

19pph injectors - $1.25 (yes, $1.25 - the guy at the u-pull-it didn't know what they were, I told hm they were check valves, and he said just take 'em)

14b Turbo and IC - Free. Formated/re-installed Win98 on a guy's computer, and got the turbo and IC. Turbo has no free play, and spins like a top.

Gotta get piping, and a BOV next.

*edit*

Did you guys think I was kidding about the $290 turbo setup?

9D1BURD

Please keep this post up dated, it would be nice to be able to follow a project to the end.

Good luck, hope everything works out great.



290?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

make sure that timing chain is new!!!

I want to see how you do the "headers/maniflods" and it be done less then 290, but I'm watching and taking notes.

Y2KFirehawk

If this can be done, can you imagine the respect the V6 board would be getting? Doward, I give you a lot of credit for even going into this journey! I am also reading very closely, becuase if this in fact turns out sweet, you can bet that it will catch on like wild fire.

Doward, funny you mention doing work like that, I do that sorta thing as a side thing too for people! I seem to be getting a lot of "college monsters" lately of people who graduated and their computers are completely bogged down.

Also Doward, does that turbo need oil lines or are they self oil or whatever?

Dale, what makes you ask about the timing chain? Or would the stress of the turbo blow up an already weakened one?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Your basically putting more force on the crank and pistons, and in turn, tugging on that chain a little more then it already is. If its already loose, it will losen more faster. Plus the added power, will make something small like that appear more obvious under boost. If that engine is not 100% in sync, its going to pop.

Dont forget your map sensor also!!!!!!

F585

You da man Dowy

Doward

Couple things on the 'theory' of this (hoping to get the prototype exhaust done tomorrow and Saturday)

1) MAP sensor? We don't need no stinkin' MAP sensor! MAF maxes at 255 g/s. The 2.8 pulls at MOST 130 g/s. That's almost double the airflow resolution still available. What's that mean? The 302 ecm will read up to almost 15 psi before the maf is maxed out.

Nice, eh? The supercharged TPI's might max out the maf quickly, but being that we're using smaller engines - we have a little more headroom

2) The timing chain is not new. Is it worn? Yes. Will it be replaced? Yes. When I do the cam/lifters/heads/exhaust (do it ALL at once, before August)

3) The turbo does include oil lines, but they will be redone. I've got a tubing bender, and plan to just pick up new tubing, and custom route it.

4) As for the engine blowing... the rings all seal good. The engine runs very nicely. The timing chain DOES need to be replaced. 8.9:1 cr lends to about 12psi max, intercooled. So I'll run 6-8, till I can rebuild another 2.8.

Wish me luck that I can find a couple hours time tomorrow and saturday to get the exhaust routed!

AM91Camaro_RS

Hey doward, i'm in central FL too. i want to see this and i'm kinda interested for my motor! i would need to lower my compression though. i don't know a lot about turbos though...what has to be done computer wise, for fuel management and whatever else? my motor does not have a MAF...would this setup be harder or impossible to do on a MAP?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Forgot the 2.8l used maf, my bad.

Y2KFirehawk

How complex is it to route the oil lines into our oil system? Does the turbo have a pump of it's own to bring oil into the turbo? And correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to run a different kind of oil since it's turbo right? Good luck on running the exhaust piping!

Edit: I'm also wondering the answer to this question if anyone knows...

Doward

Oil pressure will be taken care of via the engine's normal oilling system.

Just run a T from the oil pressure sending unit Gravity drain back down to the oil pan.

Different oil? I run 20w-50 now. I will be running Mobil 1 Synthetic tho, when I get the turbo done. Mobil 1 Synthetic doesn't start to break down and coke till 400º!!

MAP system? You'd need a 2 or 3 bar map, and a ecm capable of reading over 1 bar. 749 ecu would be a great one to use!

Doward

Arg!! Mother nature worked against me today. I got the PVC to make the prototype exhaust setup, and when I went to work on it, it rans.

Head in, check out the 'net.

Stops raining. Head back out, and guess what? RAINS AGAIN!

*grumbles*

As soon as I get the exhaust prototype part done, I'll post.

TechSmurf

Come on, Doward.. Move, move, move! If you want to be first, you're gonna have to step it up. Getting my flanges made this weekend in Tucson.. final exhaust welding should be going on next week.

Doward

LOL... I've got the driver's side exhaust bolts undone. Gotta go to work in 45 min tho... Need to get some PB Blaster to get the passanger side off, and then fab up the PVC prototype!

Doward

Exhaust is off. What's with the two spacers between the flanges, tho? Strange...

Either way, PVC setup should be done tomorrow. I've got to go to work now, so I'll take pics tomorrow.

Coming Tomorrow:

Chapter 2 - Fabbing a Prototype Exhaust

Hey TechSmurf, how are you going to run your exhaust? Just curious, I already know how mine's gonna be set up

Doward

Chapter 2 = Prototyping the Exhaust

Pic 1:

Doward

'nother Pic

Doward

This is what's getting replaced... aka the stock T Pipe, lol! :lala:

Doward

A better pic of the stock crap exhaust.

Doward

Ok guys, I'm off to work again... lol... gotta have the $$ for the piping, right?

I'll order the piping tomorrow. Saturday I'll order the boost gauge, and A-Pillar pod.

Lee7

if you get this to work, i am doing to too!

also i was wondering... on both sides of the engine, there is not very much room for a turbo. Would it be possibly to put the turbo towards the front of the engine? (v6's have PLENTY of room up there)

TomP

Completely bitchin'... two guys in a friendly race to be the first turbo'd 60-degree v6 f-body. You don't know how happy I am to hear this project is actually going to get done!! Best of luck guys, keep the updates coming!!

Very cool.

Xceleratemaro

dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

thats kick ***... lets see a pic of the pvc in the car so we can get a better idea of what the pipeing would look like! sweet *****

Lee7

how come it has never been done before?

its not like its THAT hard. Just some custom pipes and wiring basically...

Shok

I dunno, I'm looking at the jackstands on dirt, and I wonder if hes gonna get squashed during this project.

89camaroRSV6

Its nice to know that someone is trying this concept out...

Have you got the ECM figured out...
doward..just a curious question...why would you need a 1G DSM chip , i think you could just use winALDL to get some data from your car by running a lower PSI then alter the chip as you go up.?

use Tunercat to change fuel/spark..etc....


I would seriously like to see someone with a turbo'd 2.8

Doward

1g chip? wtf you smokin, man?

LOL... using a modified $3a bin. No worries, I've got it all figured out.

Yeah, the jackstands in the dirt is kinda ghetto. But hey, it works. It's been up like that for a couple days now. It's tuff, that Earth under the stands, lol!

Trust me guys, it's a LOT more than 'wiring and pipe'


I'd get a pic of the PVC in the car except... eh... the pvc won't stay up unless I'm holding it. I need to make some wooden flanges, then glue it all together. The pipes will Y together to the passanger side of the crank. The exhaust will then go through the turbo, up, and out through the hole made when I pulled the smog pump.

Intake routing is still WIP at the moment. Not too worried, as I can't hook up the intake till I get the 19pph injectors cleaned and blueprinted, not to mention installed.

The turbo will be down low, in front of the engine. I'm off, to get some wood to make a flange Freaking make a 40 minute trip into work, just to tell me they screwed up the schedule, and I have today off... *grumbles*

Doward

Forgot to mention, I haven't even run oil and water lines for it yet

Not sure where I'm gonna run the water lines from. Gonna have to work on that more, too.

It's only chapter 2 guys - not the Epilogue!

trickedout02

Yo, good luck on this project, Im honestly too lazy to do all that modin' But I guess if I really wanted the extra horse's I would do it. Also I wouldn't tell ur Insurance company that u have a turbo v6, well at least I wouldnt since I'm only 20 and full coverage on that would kill me...

Would like to see pics when its done and half way through.

Doward

PVC in place... now you guys can get the jist of what I'm doing.

Keep in mind, the actual pipes will be a tighter fit, and better bent.

Doward

'nother

Doward

From under... this is where the actual pipes will be tighter to the chassis!

Lee7

thats exactly where i figured the best position for the turbo would be. Only problem will be ground clearance, hehe.

Water and oil lines shouldnt be that much a problem, you could always do that once you have the turbo in place.

Doward

Yes. Before I can even route the intake plumbing, I need to mount the turbo up, first!

Lee7

when you get the turbo hooked up, run the engine and hear it screem!

You could also take the side to put your hand over the compressor part of the turbo and let the PSI build up.

Once you get the exaust side of the turbo hooked up, everything else should be easy as pie.

Doward

Here's hoping!

Y2KFirehawk

This is really shaping up! I like the exhaust routing. Are you going to be using aftermarket headers Doward? Or do you already have them? I also saw about running a heated O2 sensor due to the cooler air when running a turbo?

Doward

Yes, I've got to run a heated O2 sensor. Gonna see if I can use the stock Eclipse sensor that's there

Headers? No, no headers here. I HAVE NO MONEY!

I've put about $15 into this so far.

Lee7

you will probably have to make your own shorty headers, the aftermarket ones will definatly not work, they are way too long.

Doward

So who says I need headers?

Not sure if you guys noticed, but the Y pipe is going to be coming off the stock manifolds. Later, I'll get another set + heads, and port/polish the whole she-bang and drop it in, with full roller rockers and a 204/214 cam (Melling MTC - The ARI Engine's Phase 2 cam is a clone of it)

I'm hoping to be pushing 200hp before, then with the new cam/heads/exhaust, be pushing 230-240 hp (High 13s, low 14s)

Xophertony

what your planning is sick. this is going to be so awsome.!!
a damn near sprayed my shorts when i figured out what you are doing.

good luck, this is going to kick *** :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

Nixon1

Hey Dow....that big open grille hole looks like an excellent place to mount an intercooler with a front guard....

Edit:Oh, you already have one! That wouldn't fit! Nevermind!

Doward

Actually, I'm trying to devise some way of running the intercooler there. Gonna need more custom brackets, tho! lol!

That damned charcoal canister is in my way. I may HAVE to remove that stupid thing, now!

Y2KFirehawk

When I installed my SLP CAI I had to relocate the charcoal canister. It is now on the driver side next to the battery. The only drawback that I didn't find out till recently, is when you need to replace the battery, it makes it adds some difficulty. But I definately agree, that little can is a pain in the *ss....

Here is a picture of it relocated.

Edit: Woooo!! My 500th post! LOL, which is a drop in the bucket compared to some of you guys! :hail:

Doward

So how'd you do it?

Y2KFirehawk

The SLP CAI kit came with the 2 hoses to extend and I just simply installed those and made the proper mounting holes on the opposite side and screwed it down.

Doward

LOL ok... you may have just gave me a way to mount that IC... Thank you!