82-T/A [Work]

There is apparently a new GM V6/60 that's comming out that's supposed to replace the current generation of 3.4 V6s.

This new motor is supposed to have the same type of mounting locations on the block.. which means it would be a direct swap into your Firebirds and Camaros.

However, it relies HEAVILY on computers.. as a matter of fact, the throttle body is computer controlled.. there is no cable (don't know how I feel about that).

It's supposed to put out around 300 horsepower.
It's also going to have 4 camshafts.


Todd,
1997 Pontiac GrandAm SE
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1984 Pontiac Fiero 2m4 SE
1981 Pontiac TransAm V8
1973 Volkswagen Bus 1.8

AGood2.8

Too many parts to have to change- including the exhaust manifolds/headers.

We finally get a guy that makes custom headers for our 60*V6's and if you swap to the Global V6 it'll be like starting from scratch again- it has different exhaust port locations.

82-T/A [Work]

Well, it can't be THAT bad. I mean, sure it's a pain in the butt, it's not a simple drop. But if you're rebuilding a car from scratch, and you've got a shell with a subframe... it would be a good swap if you had a COMPLETE V6 with the entire computer and wiring harness. You'd need to keep the guage cluster from whatever car it came out of. And then terminator sensors for various items like.. traction control, ABS brakes.. etc.. so that it would fool the computer into thinking that everything is ok (which they do sell).

Todd,
1997 Pontiac GrandAm SE
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1984 Pontiac Fiero 2m4 SE / WS6
1981 Pontiac TransAm
1973 Volkswagen Bus 1.8

AGood2.8

You stated that it would be a direct swap replacement of the 3.4 Camaro engine
I'm just simply telling you its not and why its not.

Traction control/ABS sensors have nothing to do with engine performance or function- so those sensors are not needed.

As for builing a car from scratch? Might I suggest a Buick V6 with aluminum heads. That motor is lightweight and has a vast array of "Heavy Duty Race Parts" and can produce enormous power. I'd build one of these in a heartbeat if Calif. smog checks were not such a restriction.

82-T/A [Work]

Don't need to get nasty about it. :0


I meant Direct swap as in, you wouldn't need to fabricate your own motor mounts or things like that.

Either way, the new V6/60 would be a great motor to drop in. Even more so, it would be a perfect motor to drop into a Fiero V6. It would fit right in, it would probably weigh a little less than the factory all cast iron 2.8 does. And you'd have 2.5x the number of power.

The Turbo Buick is a great car.. but, not really my thing. It's hard to beat a 2nd or 3rd gen f-body when it comes to building a car from scratch. I mean a COMPLETE tear down. Like.. all you have is a shell, and a subframe. The 2nd gen f-bodies especially.. you can drop any motor on there you want. Pontiac, Chevy, Oldsmobile... big block, small block.. you name it. PLUS... the 2nd gen was specifically made to be fitted with a 12-bolt rear-end (first year 1970 was available with a 12-bolt). NOT TO MENTION, that the 2nd gen was ALSO.. made with 4-wheel disc brakes..

it really is a great package.. by virtue of being in existance for as long as it has, 1970-1981, it got the entire scope of technologies, from the heavy duty parts made in the late 60s / early 70s, to the fancy technology in the early 80s, like cowl induction, 4-wheel disc brakes.. even computer control. The speedometers, among other things often came with VSS on them.. so a completely stock 1980-1981 T/A could be fitted with a TPI set-up if you wanted to, and still keep the factory guages.

AGood2.8

Who's being nasty? Boy you misinterpeted me. I thought we were having a friendly discussion.

Rest assured if I am being nasty I will start off a sentence like "look asswipe". I wasn't trying to sound nasty at all.

About the 2nd gen Camaro's- I now all about them. One of my brothers has had a full race 1970 1/2 RS Camaro. The '70 1/2 was the best 2nd gen made.

85f-bird

I'd have to say that the only benift as far as $$ saving from this swap would be that you would'nt be switching trannies...but i'd say you'd be rebuilding on anyway, so you might as well change it out as you'd go along, but only time will tell.

As far as the 2nd generation f-bodies go, they were decent cars to anyone's satisfaction, but heck, a 67' ford mustang GT had a 4 wheel disc brake option, so it's not like that's something that's incredibly uncommon (despite it's rareness), that and my buddies 79 Lincoln came with a 4wheel disc, posi- option also, which is incredible and brings that beast of a huge car to a stop within minutes.

In my neck of the woods, there's a 81 Z28 camaro w/ the fake lil' cowl induction hood on it, beautiful paint w/ original wheels etc. Then under the hood is a LT1 v8 and 4L60E transmission, the engine's decked out in chrome valve covers and corvette fuel rail covers and intake covers, gorgeous car, and in it's condition, it's demanding 13,000 how's that for some $$.

Then comes to the stuff about the third gen's. Like their big brother second gens that came before them, the cars were also designed to hold a big block engine. Reason you'll see camaro's and trans am's running around with 454's and 502's in them like it's no big deal, granted they normally arent running A/C , but i'm one to believe that if GM wanted to, they would have found a way to relocate the A/C in order to fit the big block under the hood comfortable, and give people a cool ride.

All in all, the swap woudl be difficult, and probalby wouldn't save you much if any money of a standard v8 swap, or say LT1 / Ls1 swap by that means, sooooo i simplydon't know if it'd be worth it even though you'll have 300 mean lil' horsepower. But think, what good is 300 horse coming out of fake dual tips if the sound resonating from them is still a v6?

Just a personal opinion.