Keoki_Firebird89

well the subject says it...
ya i'll give ya the chance to pick the next mod for me

so far...
MSD Spark wires... helicore
Jet Pulley... Alternator, and crank...
Dual Exhaust... i wanna put back my original set up... just dont' have the money right now... and it was my dad that did it behind my back as a suprise... i guess he wasn't listening to me when i say its bad...
2.8-3.4 conversion...
tranny rebuilt(auto)
B&M Shift kit
and transmission cooler...
Short ram intake(custom) looks nice too! blue pipe... and filter...

so ya... what next...
i dun want nitrous...
and i can't afford that even...

i hear fiero valve covers help...
MSD 6A or 6...
ummm...
anything at all would be nice...
i want a few more ponies to play with...

i'm hopefully getting drilled slotted brake disc soon YAY!!!!
can't wait... my breaks are nearly dead...
and the titanium pads... WHOO HOO!!!
good braking here we come...
i need new tires soon too... ugh...

so ya any advice on what next...
affordable and that actually works... please don't tell me to get one of those electric turbos or anything... cuz i'll have a heart attack for laughing too much...
alright then...
laters...

Dale

iTrader: (12)

I would say if you want power, go with some roller rockers. Around $175 I belive.

But to do those, you will need the fiero valve covers. So two birds with one stone

Keoki_Firebird89

what would the expected power increase be?
like 5 horses or so?
more or less?
hmm...
i'm sure i can find the valve covers cheap... really cheap considering i have hook ups...
i got my new engine for 300 bucks(the 3.4L) great condition!
i'm sure for like 10 bucks i can get the covers...
and the roller rockers... 1.6?
what company should i get them from... and where?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Summitracing.com. I belive they are made compcams.

1413-12 for the 1:52
1414-12 for the 1:60

Unsure of power, I have yet to do them. On my list though. Car is starting to get a slight "tick".

Joe_L

If the 2.8 is running great then do the roller rockers, fiero valve cover conversion.
This way you will have the rockers for a future project. IE: 2.8-3.4 Swap. Its better to have extra parts for future modifications.

camaro89dude

He already did the swap.

Keoki_Firebird89

would the 1.6s fit under my 3.4 valve covers?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Supposibly no. They will hit. Unless you feel safe double gasketing??

Keoki_Firebird89

what about with the fiero valve covers?
and whats double gasketing...
knowledge is always good
so i would like to know

DAN_92RS

maybe you should do some stuff to your rear end like limited slip diferentials and 3:55 gears or 4:10 whatever, it would probably perform better and get better traction if you havent allready done this

Keoki_Firebird89

yea i do need better traction...
i spin too much...
how much would that roughly be?

DAN_92RS

go to slponline.com i cant remember but i think the differentials where around a 100 bucks

also have you considerd doing anything to the suspension?

Keoki_Firebird89

actually yea i have...
i'm gonna first get
drilled slotted brakes... and better tires...
then i was thinking of a mod
also i'm getting titanium brake pads
suspension... i've been wanting to get into... i just know nothing aobut...
i would love to know tho

DAN_92RS

well you could get a polyurethane rebuild kit and bigger sway bars new struts and springs i think jamex makes lowering springs for our cars

Keoki_Firebird89

roughly how much?

ND4SPED

msd 6a did wonders for my car, you could get a new ignition coil too from msd, maybe if you can find some headers somewheres that would be cool. i saw a place on ebay that sold slotted discs for 99.99 flat rate, for only the front tho, i have drums on the back so that worked good for me. but i dont know what you ahve going
trev

Keoki_Firebird89

yea what should i do for drums...

Keoki_Firebird89

how do i know what rocker arms to get?
1.6
3/4 studs?
i dunno...
what company?
how much?

and i want to know more about the gears, and posi and stuff like that

i found where i can get the suspension stuff

Keoki_Firebird89

what rear end gears should i get
3.42 or 3.73?

AGood2.8

The Cheapest you will find 1.6 rockers to fit are Comp Cams kit that includes pushrods. However you will also need to purchase better valve springs to hold the extra lift of the 1.6 roller rockers. The parts you need are listed below:

Summit racing part #'s and prices

CCA-RP1414-12 $151.99 ( Comp Cams 1.6 steel roller lifters and pushrods included)
CRN-99848-12 $64.99 ( Crane Cams single spring direct boltin replacement, will hold up to .500" lift. This is the best spring you can install without haveing to do any machine work to the heads)


You want the good stuff?
Crane 1.6 aluminum gold rockers- CRN-25759-12 $376.69

You will also need to find some used Fiero aluminum valve covers for any 1.6 roller rockers to fit. Stock valve covers will not work with 1.6 rockers but will work with 1.52 roller rockers. Stock springs will also hold 1.52 rockers.

Keoki_Firebird89

u guys are awesome...

what about the rear end gears
whats the info on that?

any headers or anything...

i'll prolly get the roller rockers...

Dale

iTrader: (12)

agood, them will work on stock heads, any "better" ones for the 3.4l heads??

AGood2.8

There are better springs and retainers that can be used on the 3.4 heads if you are talking constant high revs- but the heads do need to be machined to fit. The 2.8/3.1 heads don't have as much meat in the castings as the 3.4 heads do, so even though they can be machined to fit the 2.8/3.1 heads I would strongly advise against it. Here a mod spec sheet from Crane on the 60*V6's.

Crane Cams CRN-99838-12 (Summit #) are dual springs with 110# closed rate and 320# open compressed rate.

The CRN-99848-12 I listed above are single springs and have a closed rate of 105# and open of 296#
http://www.cranecams.com/master/apps/chevy1.htm

Dale

iTrader: (12)

It will be mainly driven street, highways to car shows. Occasional burnout contest, and showing off. So I guess the ones you orginally recommeneded should be fine.

Thanks:hail:

pontiacguy1

If your engine is running good, and you are going to have to go thru your brakes anyway, why not try to find a positive traction disc brake rear end and swap it in. You can find them from $200 or less up to $400 or more, depending on gear ratio. Mine is the 9 bolt Borg Warner case, with a 3.27:1 gear. I would try to get a 3.42 or 3.73(rare) posi disc brake rear. Make sure to get the proportioning valve out of the donor car, too. You can also get poly bushings for your lower control arms, sway bar, and for the panhard bar, or get an aftermarket panhard bar, and install those items at the same time. Your speedo will be off, but you can get gears to correct it from a GM parts dealer for not too much money. You will then have a posi 4 wheel disc brake car, with better rear suspension to boot. All can be done for probably about $400 or so, depending on what kind of deal you can get on the rear itself.

Keoki_Firebird89

what would work better...
better rear end?
or the rockers, valvesprings, and pushrods, valve covers?

whats this about better springs for the 3.4?

AGood2.8

You'll be happier with the rocker mod for a street car rather than messing with the rearend gears. Performance gains will be about the same in the 1/4 but the gear mod will kill your gas milage and cause the motor to rev higher more often causing more wear. The rocker mod will give you power and reliability.

3.4 heads have heavier springs than the 2.8/3.1 heads but remember, the 3.4 motor has a higher lft cam than the 2.8 and 3.1 motors.

3.4 heads on a 2.8 with a stock 2.8 cam will handle 1.6 rockers without any valve spring upgrade.

Keoki_Firebird89

well the thing is i believe that its not the heads... its the whole 3.4 block i have and the 2.8 ignition and intake system
so i'm assuming since i have the whole block itself
i have the 3.4 cam too
so what about that? do i need it or not?

tealman92

Hey gm performance sell 1.8 roller rockers for the v6's you should use those to get more lift

AGood2.8

You may be fine, but I tend to thing you'd be pushing your luck staying with the stock 3.4 valve springs(which by the way are the same as Crane Cams 99848 105# closed rate springs) if you were to add 1.6 ratio rockers to it rather than the stock 1.5 rockers. You are pushing the .500" max lift boundry and most of all should not exceed 5000rpm's with them. I feel the motor would turn aprox 5400 rpm's with those specs and would advise going to the heavier dual springs- part# CRN-99838 (Machine work to heads required)

Edit: my opinion to you would be to just purchase the Crane steel 1.52 roller rockers. Your engine will rev smoother and quicker and you will gain some noticable power-not alot but some. Its worth it for the slight power increase and added reliability.

You stock steel stamped rockers can actually range as low as 1.4-1.48 range from what I have read about GM stamped rockers- they all vary in the same engine.. They claim to be 1.5's but are not. They are not made very percise and are not roller rocker either. Crane's are a true 1.52 and roller to boot.

AGood2.8

I'd like to see a part # if you have it (I think you are refering to V8 rockers). Pretty sure to say that there is not a 60*V6 valve cover that would have clearence for that high of a ratio rocker.

IROC57TPI

spray it

Keoki_Firebird89

thought about it a few times
its just so much easier going that route...
lol
who knows?
before i do that do... just a few more engine mods...
hehe...
how much would installing it cost?

plus i have more chances convincing my dad installing the other stuff... then nitrous...

his mechanic does everything for me...
the guy is awesome...

IROC57TPI

Nitrous install shouldn't take more than a couple of hours to do. If your mechanic charges by the hour just do the math. An experienced person can do it a lot quicker and knows all the in's and out's.

pontiacguy1

It took me about 8 hours to install mine myself by the time I routed all the hoses, mounted the solenoids, wired it all up, mounted the bottle, drilled the intake for the nozzle, etc... I know I went slower than someone who has put in a bunch of nitrous systems, but it would still take 5 or 6 hours to do all of that stuff if you did it like it should be done.

I have been saying this for a long time: DO NOT use a nitrous kit for a GM V6, unless you have a couple of hundred dollars that you just don't have anything else to do with. Get a kit for 86-95 5.0 liter Mustangs, and it will work fine with our fuel injected V6 cars. The V6's fuel system is a lot like the Mustang 5.0's is. My kit was about 450 dollars back in 1996, but it is adjustable from 50 to 150 HP. I have it set on 75 HP. Summit has a non-adjustable 75 HP kit for the Mustang that is about $470 dollars. Most of the kits for the V6 are over $600 dollars. That comes out to $6.25 per HP, if you use 75 HP. Cams, head work and exhaust mods usually come up to about $20-$25 per HP or even more. Nitrous has its drawbacks, but it is really cheap HP. Just my humble opinion.

Keoki_Firebird89

as time passes i've been considering nitrous more and more...
and wow.. thanx for the tip on the mustang nitrous...
what company?
i prefer to get a company other than nos
but if thats what i have to get... then sure...

we'll see... i'll prolly do everything just for fun... heh
not yet... need to record the album for my band first... then the mods go...

for now i'm gonna get the brakes and tires for sure...
and i'm gonna convince my dad for the roller rockers, springs, and covers...

should i go back to the y-pipe set up...
or keep my dual exhaust...
cuz i'm pretty sure i lost power cuz of the dual...
its sounds like crap too

nitrous i'm gonna have to do myself

pontiacguy1

Why not NOS? That is whose kit I used, and it has worked out great. They have been putting them out a lot longer than the other brands. I haven't had any problems with them at all. If you want to get a Nitrous Works or Zex or whatever, they probably make the kits for the Mustang. Some of them use a plate that bolts behind the throttle body though, and that won't work. The NOS kit I got uses a line to put pressure on the Fuel pressure regulator and raise the pressure on the injectors. That's how the extra fuel gets in there. The gas flows through one nozzle that is plumbed in ahead of the throttle plate. That's it.

Make sure you ask how it puts the fuel and the nitrous in, and what type of delivery system it is, (plate or nozzle, wet or dry flow) before you plunk down your money.

Keoki_Firebird89

so what exactly what kind of NOS kit am i looking for?

AGood2.8

Here we go- another victim fallen to NOS. Next thing you know you'll be so addicted to the power bursts you'll be spraying the juice every other stoplight...

...Three months later, your car will be collecting dust in front of your house because you abused it and now don't have the money to fix it. Save NOS for the track (Full blown drag cars only) If its a daily driver then don't mess with it- do things reliably.

pontiacguy1

I have had mine for 7 years on my 3.1, and I haven't had any problems so far. I don't go through a bottle every week either, though, so good2.8 does have a point. If you use it all the time, it is bound to wear and thrash on your engine. That being said, I have probably run about 20-25 full 10lb. bottles through mine with no bad side effects. The thing that will keep most people from using it all the time will be the cost of keeping the bottles filled up. I think it is about 40 dollars to get a 10lb. bottle filled. That will keep you from using too excessively, especially if you are buying it yourself.

The kit to get is for an 86-95 5.0 liter Mustang. The NOS brand kit uses a nozzle that you screw into a hole you drill and tap in front of the throttle plate. Some of the systems use a plate that you bolt behind the throttle body to deliver the fuel and nitrous, and it won't fit our cars.