loomdog32

i was looking around the 60*v6.com site and found something that was interesting.. was this motor ever used in production? if it was, it should be able to be swapped into a f-body?


3.1 Turbo (89-90 TGP)

3.1 L OHV Multi port fuel injected Turbocharged 60 degree V6
SAE Net 205 horsepower, torque managed 225 lb-ft toque
8.8:1 Compression ratio
89mm bore x 84mm stroke

Garret T-25 turbo .62 A/R intake , .60 A/R exhaust w/ closed loop boost control and integrated wastegate.
Intercooled via Blackstone intercooler mounted left of radiator rear of A/C condenser
22lb/hr GM Multec Fuel Injectors
Hardened and rolled crankshaft
Mahle Cast aluminum pistons w/ reinforcing steel ring

1.72 intake valve, 1.47 exhaust valve 2 valves per cylinder

Stock 3.1 Camshaft w/ flat hydraulic lifters

Water to oil cooler
High efficiency 3 row 17 fin per inch Blackstone Radiator
High Capacity Dual cooling fans

http://www.60degreev6.com/pushgen.html
middle of the page

1991tealRSt-topGuy

it'd be a hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of alot easier putting in a TPI or LT1 350

more power too

but if you wanna be unique........

Crazy Firebird Kid

http://www.cornbowl.com/tgp/

thats a sight on TGPs. However, they were front wheel drive so the swap would be a ROYAL PITA.

KED85

A 3.4 swapped in would cost the pipe bending charge

loomdog32

yes it was produced.. FWD.. ok.. would the turbo setup from it swap to our engines?? thats the big question..

like ive said many times before.. i do not want a v8.. i dont care if i spend alot more money building, rebuilding, having custon parts made, then what it would cost for a v8 swap.. i want a 300rwhp thirdgen V6 camaro.. and i will eventually (probably when im 60 years old) have one.. SLEEPER BABY..

.o0 (hmmm.. i may change my name to SLEEPER on here.. hmm... well if/when i do have one)

Drew

iTrader: (58)

You should probably drive one first... They're just a little bit slower than a stock 305 TPI... The turbo might bolt up but the ducting and intercooler are setup for the GP platform and would take some work to adapt.

Swapping the 3.1 turbo into a thirdgen would be a perfect example of a waste of time and money. The only way you'll pull 300hp at the rear wheels with a V6 is if you use a GN/TTA 3.8 or a syclone/typhoon 4.3... Either way you're looking at $$$ and traction problems. Something tells me that if you had the money or the know how to pull off a swap like you're talking about, you'd realize how much further you'd be ahead with a 350.

Snowdog 91 Formula

Drew...
There are thirdgens with 2.8 and 3.1 engine/transmissions out there. I know for my wife has an 89 with a dead 2.8. What would be nice is to put a new engine in her car without having to do any major modifications and be able to pass smog. With her car being an 89, I can't go carb on hers.
My choices:
MPFI to TBI: Possible, but a complete pain in the rump.
MPFI to TPI: Possible, but a complete pain in the rump.
MPFI to MPFI: Very possible and cost effective, and won't cost an arm and a leg to modify.
The facts of having a V8 put in are good and fine.
What I know is that there are ways to boost the power of the V6 without boosting the hole in your wallet.
The best thing I have found for a swap is the HT 3.4 12363230 engine by GM Performance Parts.
It's not bad for a V6 and will be a nice replacement for that car without having the pain and suffering of a V6-V8 swap.
It is definitely NOT a huge gain. 160 HP / 194 TQ. But it is better than the 2.8 stock motor. It has the 3 / 36,000 warranty too.
For a racer, NO. For a daily driver, YES.
It would be nice to have some good power, and some good gas mileage to boot.
Putting a turbo on the 3.4 to make it a racecar? Well... that's another story.
I think the route I am going with her car is a good one. For mainstream day to day driving, it will be more than enough.
I know how expensive it was to do my car. To do hers will still cost quite a penny, but at least I know her car will run.

KED85

I was able to do my first 3.4 swap for $800.
I sold left over stuff.
I'm gettting another 3.4 for my 85 S-10 Blazer,
Ya wanna used running 3.4?
Give a shout the yard is in LA, CA

loomdog32

i am goin to use a 3.4.. i never said i was goin/tring to make a racecar out of my v6.. it will be my daily driver..

drew, thanx for answering my question if the turbo would bolt up..

Snowdog 91 Formula, the ht 3.4 from gm performance parts is not smog legal in cali (49 state legal).. it would cost about $2k for the engine and shipping.. besides, i could take, and i will, a 2-3 hr drive to la and get a used f-body 3.4 engine for under a grand..

Project: 85 2.8 bird

If you get a 3.4 for no less than $500 for a low milage one, I'll smack you , Karl might beat me to it though.
Use your networking skills. A friend from another board found my engine for me. Yeah, I could've bought a motor for twice as much & not do a 12 hr road trip, but I have more time than money, & it's been 2 yrs since I went around the Chi-town area.

KED85

It's not smog legal in CA as GM didn't put out the funds for the engine testing.
WHY
Who in CA would do this?
What size market ($) for return on investment ($$$)
IT's "legal".
It'll pass the sniffer & visual test
And I passed with flying colors!!
I have a 1995 version in my 1985 Firebird (CA car).
In my Blazer, it's a 49 state in CA (Federal version), so I can "LEGALY" do the 3.4 swap, too.
BUT, to tell them that, I'd have to pay $300 for the pleasure of smogging in CA (Get a CA Smog Ref to say I did good swap job, Maynard).
I have better uses for my money.
Next time, in my Blazer I'll do a V-8 swap. I feel by them (maybe 11 more years of V-6 ownership) teh supply of cheap V-6 stuff will hav dried up. Plenty of V-8 stuff forever. I have all the little parts (dist & matching elec carb, exhaust manifolds from Camaro), for the future foundation. I have plans for the brackets/mounts, too (the JTR manual).
By the future, the V-8 swap will be smog easy legal.
My current 1985 S-10 Blazer V-6 swap uses left my over stuff for cheap. I can install the 1985 MPFI set up after I smog in Dec/Jan 2003 & then decide to pay the $300 for legal swap, then. I have directions from Turbo City in Anaheim, they did a swap of that (MPFI set up in a carb'd 80's 60* Blazer) back in 1990 magazine. Laid all out plans wiring! It's easy, plus 20 + HP & higher gas & more torque!