caleb

hi guys i totalled my iroc yesterday, if you go to my website http://www.geocities.com/cibalibeb you can read the article they ran in the paper, there is a picture too, the article isnt correct, but that what the friggen cops told the paper, now i need som advice as what to do with the car, the motor and trani are good, as most everything else, but the front frame is pretty mangled. i will post more pics as soon as possible

Caleb

rezinn

What exactly happened? From what I can tell, you hit their right side head on. Sucks that they were elderly.. I hope no one dies Good luck on that.

As far as the camaro.. are you getting any insurance money for it? Any money invested in the engine/car?

u r sofa king we tah did

that sucks big time. i think that z is history. your best bet would really be to part it out, sell the frame/rest of body to a junkyard, and buy you a new Z.

Zepher

iTrader: (1)

It looks like they turned left, right in front of you at the light.
You should have had the right of way since you were travelling straight and they were making a turn.

u r sofa king we tah did

unless they had a green turn arrow and his light had turned red

caleb

no they didnt have green arrow, its still under investigatin, im not sure i only had collision insurance but im going to pull the motor and trani, and am going to look for another Z

Caleb

caleb

oh ya nobody died, i was hut the worst i broke me wrist cracked my collor bone, and got a bunch of bruises, there was one elderly lady that wasnt wearing a seatelt, she flew accross and hit the window on the other side

Caleb

360Iroc

well from what i read in that those arent the officers words those are a witnesses words...looks like you already banged her up once, and id say you probably tried to race a light from the look of those pictures...dont play with **** he'll win in the end...if its tpi it aint stock in an 85 or your just playin....buy a cavilier it will do you good..since your insurance is about to go up

u r sofa king we tah did

sad, but what he said at the end is true man. back when i was 16 i got me a brand new mustang and i wrecked it within 3 months from trying to beat a light through an intersection. my insurance went up so much to drive a sports car it was outrageous. lets just say for the next two years, i was driving a 4 banger non-turbo eagle talon. (mitsubishi eclipse). i couldnt stand the no sports car thing so i dropped a turbo eclipse motor in it its tough when you total your ride, but dont worry about it for too long, better things will come. just do as advised, part it out (and i mean sell EVERYTHING, you might wanna try ebay), then sell the rolling chassis and remaining body panels to a junk yard. you should have enough by then to buy a temp beater.

1985 was the first year for the 305 TPI LB9. it was the only year to come with the version that had the MAF burnoff module instead of the burnoff relay. it also had a 160 baud computer compared to the 86-92's 8192 baud rate.

caleb

well i talked to my agent today, he said that if i get the ticket dismissed, that the accident will be considered a joint neglegent accident, or something and that it wouldnt raise my insurance that much, the EMT that worked on me said that he bought an 84 firbird that had benn smashed in the front like mine had, he said that as long as the bottom frame rails are straight, that i should be able to cut the upper ones( the ones the fenders mount to, and the hood mounts to), and get some off of a different camaro, IS THIS POSSIBLE?

Thanks
Caleb

caleb

I know its an 85' and its a TPI, but what is the MAF burnoff? does that mean the 86-92 computer is better because its faster?

Caleb

360Iroc

if the frame rails arent bent even if they are they can be straightened on a frame rack. but anyway find a junkyard that has a front clip. id suggest just getting another car

Iroc n roll

Yes the later computers are faster and better. That still doesn't mean you can't run sick hp out of an 85 though. Us 85 guys have to stick up for ourselves. You can call our computers slow, but not our cars And hey.... we're faster than 86

I'd sell the motor and tranny if I were you. The body didn't look to be in great shape to begin with. The hood wasn't even an Iroc-Z hood so the original must've been trashed. Sell whatever you can out of the car, get a beater, and insure it minimally. Then start saving up for when your 20 and the rates go down. Then you can buy another Z. Or you can do what U R so f'in did and get a beater and drop some power into it to pull a fast one on the companies. It'll take some cash though, and I'm guessing your not loaded.

u r sofa king we tah did

i would HIGHLY advise getting a new car. fixing that one isnt worth it, and you will have a weaker frame after it is straightened, and unless its done real good, that car will be nothing but a rattle trap.

blowen90ta

why not just pick up a v6 bird and drop the moter and trans in and never tell anyone? then he would only be insuring a v6 and his rates would be the same as any other non sports car.
pete

85transamtpi

Just another 85 guy here to show my support...of my slow computer . What we loose from our slow computer we make up for in our better cam. 85's kick @ss!!!

Bummer about the accident man! Dont waste you time trying to repair your car. You're better off just finding a new thirdgen.

-peace

caleb

if i decided to keep the car, would it be better to straiten it, or just cut those upper rails, and put some on off of another Z?

Caleb

360Iroc

straighten upper rails depends on how bad there are, from the looks of your picture id say your upper rail would have to be raplaced, and there could possibly be frame damage, frame time will get you in the money part of the deal, if you know someone that can help you that would be the key...anyway buying a front clip from another z would be ideal as long as your frame is not way off, when you start looking at more than 8 hours on a frame, for that year of car its just not worth it, id go find a new one, thats just a body tech point of view

caleb

Thank you, i will have the car looked @ as soon as i get it back, i may have found an 87 z that needs a trani! but thats what i was looking for, was an opinion of somebody that does body work.

Calec

caleb

well i just got back from looking @ it, the cars a gonner, the motor still looks good though. Is it true that the IROC-Z has a different suspension thjan other models of the camaro?
if so, then would i be able to switch the suspension over to a Z28?

Caleb

DrekkenX

Definately sorry to hear about your wreck. I recently wrecked my 89 RS 305 TBI. I loved that car. It was on New Years. I would just get another car. I'm 20 and I put myself in about 5500 worth of debt to get myself an 88 IROC, i only paid 2700 , had some other debt to clear up But its a nice car, came with a new paint and mandrel bent flowmasters and it runs real strong. I know you love your car but it'll be cheaper to get another one. Frame damage is big doe. I had a 20 mile hour rear end collision where i rear ended some lady stoppin for school kids (damn them! ) and the little frame damage I had was gonna cost me like a grand, 500 bucks a pull. So.. I scrapped that, got the 89, i wrecked that, now i got the IROC. 3rd times a charm i think, i hope. But your not gonna be happy driving anything else but another camaro. I know I wasnt. Hope it all turns out well

- Tom

caleb

i know what u mean, everybody is telling me to just move on, my friend is letting me drive his toyota celiuca for awhile, but its not the same, i am going to try and find another camaro, and build me a iroc-z clone , by using everything i can off of my wrecked iroc

Rob P

iTrader: (1)

I'd look for a nice 90 IROC or 91-92 Z28 that has a bad motor/tranny. I've seen several advertised for 2-3K Then drop your motor and tranny in.

caleb

thats what i was thinking, i have been surfing around ebay looking for ones with bad motors, or trani's. is my suspension interchangeable with all oher 82-92 camaro's? would u guys frown on an iroc clone?

Caleb

Iroc n roll

Yes, the Iroc-Z had a better and lower riding suspension than the lower model Camaros. I'm pretty sure that you can also put your suspension on any other thirdgen as the bodies were more or less the same. Your best bet is what was suggested and find a good straight body to throw your parts into. But with what that'll cost you, you might just want to buy another thirdgen complete

caleb

i just found an 87' iroc-z tpi dont know motor size, but the trani is shot, this may be it thank you guys for all of your help, i will let u all know how things work out, i am also looking @ an 84 z that the motor was rebuilt, but cant get it to start.

Caleb

Iroc n roll

The 87 Iroc-Z cam with the L98 motor. 5.7L 350 TPI. Better than the 305 in your 85.

SoCo80p

iTrader: (5)

whats up with the red front clip on the car and black body? looks like its face got ripped off and still stuck to the car! unfortunantly your going to have a helluva time trying to prove she was at falt, 16 year old kid, camaro, VS grandma in her buick, it would be diffrent if it was another kid, oh well,....im sure everything will be cool, just got to find a new ride!

caleb

Well the red was becuse the iroc had rearended someone doing 15-20mph, then i rebuilt the front, but the elderly dude kept driving after the collisiom, thats why the nose stuck into their car. i talked with a St.George police man he said that if they had gotten to the accident first, then they would have ruled that it was dual negligence, leaving us both to take care of our own bills and cars, but the accident occured on the city line between St.George, and Washington, so washington was first there making it their responsibility, i have to go to court to try and get my ticket dismissed, then we have to set about proving it wasnt my fault

Caleb

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Geocities sites are blocked here at work, so I can't see the pics, but if it's as bad as it sounds from this thread, it's time to move on. Anything is repairable, but after a certain point, the cost goes WAY up, if you can find a talented body man at all. The book value on the 85 isn't much above $3500 in great shape, so yours would have been lower yet. From the sounds of it, your damage far exceeds the value of the car. Forget it and move on. Dropping that motor and tranny into a different car will be a hassle, and you'll still be stuck with the 85's limitations.

caleb

here i'll just post it here then

Caleb

caleb

here is the picture only

Kevin Irving

The "MAF burnoff" he is referring to is the Burnoff Module, sometimes known as a "MAS" that was only used in 1985 TPI setups. It controlled the burnoff cycle for the MAF instead of the ECM, which is what it did the following year. That is why that damn burnoff module is so expensive, last time I checked it was $961 at the dealer and there is NO aftermarket for it. Your best bet if you are going to salvage that motor is to swap it over to the 86-89 165 ECM setup, where as I said before the ECM controlled the burnoff cycle using two $9 relays, and yes, the ECM is 51X faster than the 870 ECM that was only used in 85. I have the link on my page to Mike Davis' page where it is outlined how to perform the swap. Good luck!!

360Iroc

it dosnt necessarily have a 350 in it

caleb

hey iguys i filed my insurance claim today, they said that my medical bills will be covered, and that there would be a full investigation in the accident, and that if my ticket were dismissed, it will help them build a stronger case, towards proving that i was not @ fault, and maybe getting me some money towards another car

Caleb

Iroc n roll

Look at the RPO codes in the glove box. If it says L98 its a 350, if it says LB9 its a 305, and if it says LG4 they've got a lot of explaining to do

caleb

What other sized TPI motor did they put in the IROC in 87' ?

Caleb

caleb

ok will do, what is the LG4 code for?

Caleb

caleb

the insurance claims ajuster called me today, and said that the accident was not my fault, utah law states "when making a left turn you must first yield to all oncoming traffic close enough to be a hazrard, regardless of signal, unless a green arrow" she said that they tried to file a claim with the other peoples insurance for my car, but they wouldnt let them, so it looks like im headed for a court battle. they told me to go ahead and get my car from the towing place, as i was leaving some dude walked up gave me his business card, and offered me $750 free and clear, as long as the motor wasnt cracked, so he is going to check it in the morning, and if all is good, i wont have a Z by tomorrow night.




oh ya, the guy emailed me the VIN# for that 87 iroc, i ran it on the vin decoder here, and it said it has the LB9 engine the number is 1G1FP21F5HN119268

Iroc n roll

LG4 is the RPO code for a carbed 305. Looks like that 87 is a 305 TPI.

360Iroc

looks like he got it before i did yeah the other motor was a 305

caleb

another ? did all irocs come with the 16x8 rims? because i the 87' im looking @ only has the 15x7

Iroc n roll

Those rims are not Iroc rims and further more those door decals are not OEM. I'd ask a lot of questions. Make sure you check out the VIN for your self. Make sure the motor is TPI too.

graebz28

iTrader: (5)

If I can convert you to Pontiac, I got a body in need of a motor and tranny. Depending on how far North you live in Utah, it could be really worth your while. I'm sure you could peice the both together if you have some time to spare. I'm looking around 600 bucks for some type of package we could place together. For sure, I would give you the suspension of the one that I just bought: a 1990 Pontiac Formula with the WS6 suspension package and only 38k original miles on it. Nice 36mm sway bar, pretty fresh spings. I'll cut you a hell of deal to get ya back on the road. I'm just taking ll that is listed off my suspension mods, but I will swap it back of the newer one. I got an 89 TPI ECM and wiring harness in car, but that would have to be extra. I'll go get my DFI if you take that. Otherwise, when I swap the 90 to TPI, need to use it.

Email me if you want to talk.
MIKE

360Iroc

yeah that car is not screamin' iroc

LincolnHawk

attn:caleb


i have a 89 firebird i sell you cheap
awesome body ect..
also have a 84 z t-tops original everything ..power everything
i could meet you half way road trip wise ..if ur interested email me
later

caleb

well heck...............................that guy backed out on buying my car, said he didnt have the $. I went to justice court, pleaded innocent, i have to see the judge on tuesday afternoon, i also went and visited the doc he said 6 weeks before i get to use my hand again! but he also said 6 weeks of no P.E. he told me i could go back to work in 2 weeks though. i talked to a para legal today, she told me that if my ticket was dismissed, that i would have a much better case, and that i can also get repaid for lost wages so will see what the judge says tuesday

jester111

hey dude
sorry to hear about the accident, hope everyone will be alright
as for the car get as many good parts off the car and scrap the rest, hate to say it but "dont open a can of worms", youll regret it in the longrun,
as for the accident, your 16 driving a camaro(sports car) so if its anything like it is here then its automatically your fault "sucks dosent it" especially when someone who probalbly didnt even witness the crash say they saw you speeding, and the cops usally dont like to change the little minds ,would make them wrong " you cant have that can you" anyways i hope everything changes for the better

caleb

finnaly somebody says what iv been thinking, thats exactly how it is in St.George! whats makes me mad, is that these two elderly people claimed to be witnesses, but the woman wrote the exact same thing on both of their statements!

85wilrocu

do you have the maf module still?