Nearly 500hp?
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Car: 1984 Trans Am 15th anniversary
Engine: L69
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Nearly 500hp?
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ472821909
What would one have to do to get that type of hp with the car/drivetrain above?
What would one have to do to get that type of hp with the car/drivetrain above?
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From: Pittsburgh PA
Car: 89 Iroc-z
Engine: 555 BBC Turbo
Transmission: TH400
Axle/Gears: Strange 12 bolt 3.42
Re: Nearly 500hp?
I would say show me the dyno sheet or else raise the flag. Car looks stock and no special car that i know of came with the vette L98, not that its more special anyway except aluminum heads which are easier to mod.
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Car: 1984 Trans Am 15th anniversary
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From: Beautiful Coastal New Jersey
Car: 1990 Firebird
Engine: 350 TBI
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
Considering the they list non existent suspension parts as being replaced on that car I would't put much value in any claims of the seller.
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Car: 1971 Camaro
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
300 hp fogger!
Engine is stock, stock runners, stock exhaust manifolds.
I like the Hood prop too, that shows attention to detail.
Engine is stock, stock runners, stock exhaust manifolds.
I like the Hood prop too, that shows attention to detail.
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From: Chicagoland Suburbs
Car: 1989 Trans Am GTA
Engine: LT1, AFR 195cc, 231/239 LE cam.
Transmission: M28 T56
Axle/Gears: 3.23 10bolt waiting to explode.
Re: Nearly 500hp?
I reported it. I hate BS ads like this.
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From: nw indiana
Car: 1988 firebird formula 350
Engine: L98
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From: Lexington, KY
Car: 1992 formula firebird
Engine: 355 TPI
Transmission: currently a T-5, eventually a T-56
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
produced in Detroit????? norwood and van nuys were the only two plants producing firebirds at the time.
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From: Aurora, OR
Car: 87 IROC Z28
Engine: 355 cid TPI
Transmission: Custom Built 700R4 w/3,500 stall
Axle/Gears: QP fab 9" 3.70 Truetrac
Re: Nearly 500hp?
473HP through stock small tube runners? Unless there's a Paxton S trim blower at the other end of that stock air intake tube, I would say there's no possible way. Im thinking that if this guy ever got hold of even a 400hp 3rd gen, he'd be crapping his pants.
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From: Aurora, OR
Car: 87 IROC Z28
Engine: 355 cid TPI
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
There is a guy in Canada who just posted real dyno results of 480+ HP from a 383 with nearly stock Vortec heads. He's running a 4barrel and RPM airgap but I'm thinking that a prepped HSR with the right tune could do about the same. With heads that sell for $100s rather than $1000s and a mild cam.
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From: Aurora, OR
Car: 87 IROC Z28
Engine: 355 cid TPI
Transmission: Custom Built 700R4 w/3,500 stall
Axle/Gears: QP fab 9" 3.70 Truetrac
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From: Pittsburgh PA
Car: 89 Iroc-z
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Transmission: TH400
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
There is a guy in Canada who just posted real dyno results of 480+ HP from a 383 with nearly stock Vortec heads. He's running a 4barrel and RPM airgap but I'm thinking that a prepped HSR with the right tune could do about the same. With heads that sell for $100s rather than $1000s and a mild cam.
In that one article on tpi intake shootout, it took a very large cammed 385 with good heads to make 460 thru a stock tpi. I doubt stock castings with "port and polish" will do similar numbers
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From: Aurora, OR
Car: 87 IROC Z28
Engine: 355 cid TPI
Transmission: Custom Built 700R4 w/3,500 stall
Axle/Gears: QP fab 9" 3.70 Truetrac
Re: Nearly 500hp?
I was looking through my old 1997-98 TPIS catalog this weekend and ran accross the dyno sheet from their tests with the ZZX cam. Running the ZZX cam, they made 408hp @5,950rpm from a 350 through stock runners with ported factory base, ported aluminum L98 heads, ported plenum and 48mm TB with airfoil. I think it said they used 1 3/4" primary headers, but I don't recall for sure. Hard to say what was done to the heads. That's probably about as far as you could ever take an N/A 350 through stock runners and base without NOS.
The mini ram made 465hp from the same motor.
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From: Sparks, NV
Car: 91 Corvette
Engine: 5.7 TPI
Transmission: ZF6
Axle/Gears: 4.10
Re: Nearly 500hp?
Last year on E-Bay there was an original Corvette Challenge TRACO engine - 464hp and all-stock appearing. Stock runners, crappy Vette manifolds and all. It was $6,800 for the engine and the calibrated computer.
That said, with all the work I have in mine I'm lucky to maybe put 300 to the wheels. I'll know for sure as soon as I get it dyno'd
That said, with all the work I have in mine I'm lucky to maybe put 300 to the wheels. I'll know for sure as soon as I get it dyno'd
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From: Aurora, OR
Car: 87 IROC Z28
Engine: 355 cid TPI
Transmission: Custom Built 700R4 w/3,500 stall
Axle/Gears: QP fab 9" 3.70 Truetrac
Re: Nearly 500hp?
I think that what TRACO and TPIS are not telling us when they post these crazy power numbers is all of the hours of tweaking and special tricks done to these motors to squeeze every last bit of power out of them. A skilled person with a flow bench and porting kit can work magic. Class rules require the use of factory heads, intake and/or exhaust manifolds. They don't restrict many of the internal mods that can increase power.
Maybe the engine in that car is the product of some sort of engine guru magic, but it doesn't excuse the misinformation in the add. And it would be odd for someone who's invested the kind of money that an engine like that would cost to not know what suspension components his car does and doesn't have. Plus, what is the flow limit of that stock air intake tube and filter housing? Can it support any more than 300hp?
And as I look closely at the enlarged view of the engine bay, I have a hard time believing that engine's ever even been out of that car. Look at all of the old dirt and oxidization.
Maybe the engine in that car is the product of some sort of engine guru magic, but it doesn't excuse the misinformation in the add. And it would be odd for someone who's invested the kind of money that an engine like that would cost to not know what suspension components his car does and doesn't have. Plus, what is the flow limit of that stock air intake tube and filter housing? Can it support any more than 300hp?
And as I look closely at the enlarged view of the engine bay, I have a hard time believing that engine's ever even been out of that car. Look at all of the old dirt and oxidization.
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Car: 1984 Trans Am 15th anniversary
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Re: Nearly 500hp?
Anyone get a response from this guy? Apparently the car is one of 50 in existence lol
And for entertainment purposes
Possibly related to this guy? Importing L98's from Japan seems like a bit of a stretch!?!
http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-cars-ve...AdIdZ472899704
"Project car 1987transAm with GTA/Corvette parts for sell/trade.Im just going to list what i have i sell whole car with extra parts or part out.Im gona start with engine its not transam or gta engine this 1 i got from Japan from oreginal corvette that was in there in accident 40k(not rebuild oreginal engine) on it needs to change valve seals couse the engine is 1986 never been open except pan and valvcovers,i also asume that you know its 5.7L tuned port,have computer and air sensor to go with that with wireing or without ,wiring is from 87 GTA Digital cluster comes with that litle crack but works,2 sets of dors,gta hood also formula hood with good hinges ,5 speed just rebuild world clas treny fresh 30 kilometers only i just drove the car to my new house,decent rear end used but low km when i got it from camaro 100k on it then and not driven since,corvette whiles 17 front 18 back with adaptors to fit older cars whiles are 5 spoke from around 2000 year corvette,2 sets of ground effects,black interior not complete need ciling and back seats and driver seat needs fixing,.For engine alone without anything i want 2000$ or worth that its not junk will not sell for less couse i payed much more i only wanted best parts for my project so i got it.Now i got kids no money for project it is posible to drive the car and hear runing.Sounds realy mean couse i got dual exhaust and only supertraps without traps on it.All the polution junk is out of the car ac and heat to but i have all the parts if want to put it back new rad for heat is instaled just if you want heat back.send message what you need and your offer im in to saltwater ,atvs,cash. "
And for entertainment purposes
Possibly related to this guy? Importing L98's from Japan seems like a bit of a stretch!?!
http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-cars-ve...AdIdZ472899704
"Project car 1987transAm with GTA/Corvette parts for sell/trade.Im just going to list what i have i sell whole car with extra parts or part out.Im gona start with engine its not transam or gta engine this 1 i got from Japan from oreginal corvette that was in there in accident 40k(not rebuild oreginal engine) on it needs to change valve seals couse the engine is 1986 never been open except pan and valvcovers,i also asume that you know its 5.7L tuned port,have computer and air sensor to go with that with wireing or without ,wiring is from 87 GTA Digital cluster comes with that litle crack but works,2 sets of dors,gta hood also formula hood with good hinges ,5 speed just rebuild world clas treny fresh 30 kilometers only i just drove the car to my new house,decent rear end used but low km when i got it from camaro 100k on it then and not driven since,corvette whiles 17 front 18 back with adaptors to fit older cars whiles are 5 spoke from around 2000 year corvette,2 sets of ground effects,black interior not complete need ciling and back seats and driver seat needs fixing,.For engine alone without anything i want 2000$ or worth that its not junk will not sell for less couse i payed much more i only wanted best parts for my project so i got it.Now i got kids no money for project it is posible to drive the car and hear runing.Sounds realy mean couse i got dual exhaust and only supertraps without traps on it.All the polution junk is out of the car ac and heat to but i have all the parts if want to put it back new rad for heat is instaled just if you want heat back.send message what you need and your offer im in to saltwater ,atvs,cash. "
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