1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
#1
1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
Ok....I am looking for some confirmation on my findings.....my fuel gauge isnt functioning properly. With a full tank of gas, the gauge will only rise to 1/4.
I ohmed out the head unit of the dash for the fuel gauge....using my odometer, I am sure it is getting real close to empty. The ohms read 75 ohms. (20 miles ago it read 100 ohms) I am almost sure that if I put a full tank in it the ohm reading will be above 200.
Can anyone confirm or deny that my sender reads high ohms at a full tank and low ohms at empty? I have tried doing many searches for fuel gauges and what might work in my Z28. I have found that some gauges work on a 0-90 ohm ratio, while others work on a 33-240 ohm ratio. I would think that my sender is the 33/240 from what my readings are giving me, but I also read that "most" GM vehicles work on the 0-90 ohms ratio. I just need someone with a Camaro like mine to confirm my findings/readings so I can determine that my sender is actually good and that the gauge itself is bad. If you need to know what terminals I am ohming on the dash head unit.....there are three terminals, I am ohming the bottom two with the key on.
I ohmed out the head unit of the dash for the fuel gauge....using my odometer, I am sure it is getting real close to empty. The ohms read 75 ohms. (20 miles ago it read 100 ohms) I am almost sure that if I put a full tank in it the ohm reading will be above 200.
Can anyone confirm or deny that my sender reads high ohms at a full tank and low ohms at empty? I have tried doing many searches for fuel gauges and what might work in my Z28. I have found that some gauges work on a 0-90 ohm ratio, while others work on a 33-240 ohm ratio. I would think that my sender is the 33/240 from what my readings are giving me, but I also read that "most" GM vehicles work on the 0-90 ohms ratio. I just need someone with a Camaro like mine to confirm my findings/readings so I can determine that my sender is actually good and that the gauge itself is bad. If you need to know what terminals I am ohming on the dash head unit.....there are three terminals, I am ohming the bottom two with the key on.
#2
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Car: '87 IROC/'68 SS
Engine: 5.7L/350
Transmission: 700R4/Muncie 4-spd
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt / 3.31 12 bolt
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
Ok....I am looking for some confirmation on my findings.....my fuel gauge isnt functioning properly. With a full tank of gas, the gauge will only rise to 1/4.
I ohmed out the head unit of the dash for the fuel gauge....using my odometer, I am sure it is getting real close to empty. The ohms read 75 ohms. (20 miles ago it read 100 ohms) I am almost sure that if I put a full tank in it the ohm reading will be above 200.
Can anyone confirm or deny that my sender reads high ohms at a full tank and low ohms at empty? I have tried doing many searches for fuel gauges and what might work in my Z28. I have found that some gauges work on a 0-90 ohm ratio, while others work on a 33-240 ohm ratio. I would think that my sender is the 33/240 from what my readings are giving me, but I also read that "most" GM vehicles work on the 0-90 ohms ratio. I just need someone with a Camaro like mine to confirm my findings/readings so I can determine that my sender is actually good and that the gauge itself is bad. If you need to know what terminals I am ohming on the dash head unit.....there are three terminals, I am ohming the bottom two with the key on.
I ohmed out the head unit of the dash for the fuel gauge....using my odometer, I am sure it is getting real close to empty. The ohms read 75 ohms. (20 miles ago it read 100 ohms) I am almost sure that if I put a full tank in it the ohm reading will be above 200.
Can anyone confirm or deny that my sender reads high ohms at a full tank and low ohms at empty? I have tried doing many searches for fuel gauges and what might work in my Z28. I have found that some gauges work on a 0-90 ohm ratio, while others work on a 33-240 ohm ratio. I would think that my sender is the 33/240 from what my readings are giving me, but I also read that "most" GM vehicles work on the 0-90 ohms ratio. I just need someone with a Camaro like mine to confirm my findings/readings so I can determine that my sender is actually good and that the gauge itself is bad. If you need to know what terminals I am ohming on the dash head unit.....there are three terminals, I am ohming the bottom two with the key on.
#3
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
thanx, this helps and saves me alot of time and money.
Last edited by vzfox; 11-10-2007 at 09:57 PM.
#4
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Car: '87 IROC/'68 SS
Engine: 5.7L/350
Transmission: 700R4/Muncie 4-spd
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt / 3.31 12 bolt
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
In other words, the readings I am getting are true and accurate, correct? And my sending unit is good, but the gauge itself is bad, correct? Does this mean I still have about a 1/4 tank of fuel at 75 ohms? Where can I get a copy of this service manual and the page(s) you are looking at?
thanx, this helps and saves me alot of time and money.
thanx, this helps and saves me alot of time and money.
#5
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
It does seem that way. Both that the sender is good and that you have a 1/4 tank or so. Does it go to full if you disconnect the sender? If it doesn't, either the gauge itself is bad or it's not getting the right voltage. Are the nuts tight on the back? Are all the other gauges OK?
#6
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 1,141
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Car: '87 IROC/'68 SS
Engine: 5.7L/350
Transmission: 700R4/Muncie 4-spd
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt / 3.31 12 bolt
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
When testing voltage at the dash unit connections, I get 12 volts. I have not however disconnected the sender to see if the gauge itself will reach full. The only other gauge that does not work is the volt gauge, it has two terminals on the dash head unit and when testing with a multimeter, it reads 12 volts. So I am almost sure the volt gauge is bad.
#7
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
I can see where your coming from and going with the "ground" issue, but if there were no ground for the fuel gauge, it wouldnt move at all.
Let me see if I can explain in detail what the fuel gauge is doing.....with a full tank of gas, the gauge will read 1/4. But, as the fuel level drops, so does the gauge needle. Since it is only going up to 1/4, the needle will move real slowly towards the E. Once it reaches the E, the tank is actually empty. Picture the 1/4 mark on the gauge as a full tank, so the needle only has to move maybe half an inch to reach empty. Keep in mind the ohm readings I am getting from the dash head unit, which seem to be accurate from the service manual you are looking at and in order to get a 12 volt reading from the dash head unit, a ground "has" to exist. I hope that wasnt confusing, but that is what the fuel gauge is exactly doing.
Last edited by vzfox; 11-10-2007 at 11:50 PM.
Trending Topics
#8
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: California
Posts: 2,065
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1982 Trans Am & 1982 Corvette
Engine: L-98 with LO-3 induction. 350 CFI
Transmission: 5 speed and vette has 700r4
Axle/Gears: 373's in T/A .. vette unknown
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
hey if u need a 86 z-28 cluster let me know I will give you a good deal on one
#9
#10
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1987 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
IVe had trouble with my gauge for some time, I switched to a different one it was a little better but not much, well I jsut had to have a gas tank leak fixed so had the sender and intank pump replaced as well, now the gauge doesnt go over the full mark but right on the line but when i brake the gauge is everywhere
#11
Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Waxahachie,Texas
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1986 Z28
Engine: 350 Q-Jet
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
The fuel guage on my car is always at past full. So does that mean the sender is no good?
BTW I tried replacing the fuel guage before and it did the same so I switched back to the original.
BTW I tried replacing the fuel guage before and it did the same so I switched back to the original.
#12
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Kent, WA
Posts: 365
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 83 z28
Engine: boat anchor 305 (ex CFI)
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 10 bolt
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
Yes the sender is bad. if it always reads full, there is an open wire at the sender. Mine does the same thing, I have a working sender to put in it but don't wanna do it just yet.
#13
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
I bought a gauge cluster from ebay about a week ago. I just took the fuel and volt gauges out of the cluster I bought and put them in my current cluster in my car. The volt gauge now reads as it should and the fuel gauge also works like it should. I guess the problem I was having was the gauges after all. This will be a first for me, having actually gauges go bad.
H8U666....as far as your fuel gauge always reading above full and never changing or going low; sounds to me like the arm on the sending unit is either stuck or hung up on something in the tank, or it could be that the gauge is bad. You can test your cluster head unit by reading thru this thread and doing what I had done and that will tell you where your problem is.
camaropunk....cant be sure what your problem might be, but almost sure it is a wiring issue.
H8U666....as far as your fuel gauge always reading above full and never changing or going low; sounds to me like the arm on the sending unit is either stuck or hung up on something in the tank, or it could be that the gauge is bad. You can test your cluster head unit by reading thru this thread and doing what I had done and that will tell you where your problem is.
camaropunk....cant be sure what your problem might be, but almost sure it is a wiring issue.
#14
Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Waxahachie,Texas
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1986 Z28
Engine: 350 Q-Jet
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
Well I replaced the guage b4 and it had no effect. And when I replaced my fuel pump the arm moved freely...so I guess it has to be the sender or in the cluster somewhere...
#15
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 898
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1987 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
I bought a gauge cluster from ebay about a week ago. I just took the fuel and volt gauges out of the cluster I bought and put them in my current cluster in my car. The volt gauge now reads as it should and the fuel gauge also works like it should. I guess the problem I was having was the gauges after all. This will be a first for me, having actually gauges go bad.
H8U666....as far as your fuel gauge always reading above full and never changing or going low; sounds to me like the arm on the sending unit is either stuck or hung up on something in the tank, or it could be that the gauge is bad. You can test your cluster head unit by reading thru this thread and doing what I had done and that will tell you where your problem is.
camaropunk....cant be sure what your problem might be, but almost sure it is a wiring issue.
H8U666....as far as your fuel gauge always reading above full and never changing or going low; sounds to me like the arm on the sending unit is either stuck or hung up on something in the tank, or it could be that the gauge is bad. You can test your cluster head unit by reading thru this thread and doing what I had done and that will tell you where your problem is.
camaropunk....cant be sure what your problem might be, but almost sure it is a wiring issue.
so your gauge goes down when its supposed too nd not at random times? Does it stay steady when braking and accelerating? someone said thirdgens just do this, but it seems a bit much to me. Im looking to find a new gauge from someone who knwos it works and im gonna try swapping that
#16
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 Formula
Engine: 5.7 350
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 1986 Z28 TPI...fuel gauge and sender
My gas guage is doing the same thing that vzfox guage did but mine is empty at 3/4 and it goes way past the F mark when full. From reading this forum it seems that I also have a bad guage because everything else works fine and the needle moves on the gas guage but just never goes below 3/4 when empty.
Does anyone have a gas guage for sale for a 1992 Formula?
Does anyone have a gas guage for sale for a 1992 Formula?
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ambainb
Camaros for Sale
11
04-25-2016 09:21 PM