Elite GTA

I gutted my air box, two square holes to try and get more air in. I was wondering what ya'll thought about the open k&n cone filter being put on instead. Would that work better? Would it just allow more hot air in? I feel my gutted air box does just that...lets more hot air in. Is that better than less air that is somewhat cooler?

I have taken the screens out, TPIS air foil in, K&N filter, gutted box. I feel the filter helped initially. Then doing the others did not seem to help at all.

I didn't really want to start cutting holes in my car to get a cool ram air effect. Nor did I want some racer boy, my car is modded, look at my funnel for air sticking out under my car type of look...

What else can be done?

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1989 GTA Trans Am
Gunmetal Metallic, T-Tops
L98, 700R4, 3.27

Roshambo

Im planning on buying a K&N cone filter, and doing just what you said. Its going to be kinda temporary because Im planning on buying Ram Air hood from Suncoast creations during the summer

-Roshambo

jobryan26

Hey guys I removed all my crappy airbox and stuff and made a Ram Air for my car. I bought the K&N filter from Fordsource.com for $38.00 it's 9"long and has a 3"inlet. 3" PVC pipe from Lowes and Paint from Walmart. It all cost me about $50.00. Now when I'm in my car with the hood closed and windows up I can still hear it sucking! Hope this helps Here's some pics before and after.

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
160 Degree Thermostat
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment
(Stereo)
Kenwood Excelon

jobryan26

Let me try that again. This is the after pic


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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
160 Degree Thermostat
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment
(Stereo)
Kenwood Excelon

shawn87gta

iTrader: (1)

I did the same thing as Jobryan, replacing a cut air-box. I relocated the MAT at the same time. It made a big difference in how the car ran - I could really feel it, although I don't have any timeslips to quantify the improvement. Better than spending $200 on the SLP induction, and just as effective.

Hey Jo, us po' *** Ky boys know how to save a buck to blow later on other stuff, huh?

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87 GTA, auto w/2100 stall, 3.27 rear, L98 .020 over,Comp 269HR cam & 1.5 roller tips, ported heads, 52mm TB & airfoil, siamesed SLP runners, port matched plenum, ported intake, Edelbrock TES, AFPR, MSD 6A/Blaster coil, MAF screens, cold-air induction, heated O2, Ed Wright Fastchip.
Soon: ported/polished: Super Ram, Accel intake, Sportsman II's w/1.6 rr's - & burning my own proms.

89 Iroc

JobRyan26 where is your battery?

rhuarc30

It's a Pontiac, his battery is on the other side. BTW nice job on that, doesn't look like a homemade intake.

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89 Formula 350
86 Cutlass Salon
93 GMC 1500
97 Yamaha V-Max

89BlueTA

I gained a solid 2 tenths going from a gutted to a open cone.

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14.48@93.72mph

oldblueZ

jobryan26, could you please put up a clearer picture of the intake, it's kinda fuzzy. I really like it. It looks great.

Thanks,
Jesse

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85 Z28, 305 TPI A4
pretty stock with a few toys
15.2@91mph
http://photos.yahoo.com/j_hougnon

http://screamindeamin.cz28.com/images/jesse/

formul8!!

On my '89 Formula 350, I bought a small cone K&N (I don't have the part #), removed the cannister and stuck the cone on the end of the bellows. It fits perfectly with no hood interference.

I can measure the filter if any wants the specs.

jobryan26

Thanks for the Compliments. I couldn't see paying $200.00 for an intake so that's when I decided to try it. And I did notice a nicer throttle response. Definitly a thumbs up. I also sanded it all down and primed and painted all to make it match. This pic was before I polished the inatake,runners, and anything else I could fine.

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
160 Degree Thermostat
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment
(Stereo)
Kenwood Excelon

jobryan26

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
160 Degree Thermostat
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment
(Stereo)
Kenwood Excelon

Matt87GTA

That is a really nice lookin intake setup jobryan26. I have to compliment ya on that work. I have one suggestion; take that charcoal canister out of there and install it into the trash can. The natural shaping of the ponitac fender and the air dam channel the air into the area where you have your filter creating a "ram air" effect at speed but that canister is right in the way. The SLP kit has a box that bolts right up to the fender where the canister usually mounts and it relocates the canister to the other side by the battery. The SLP system seals to the fender to only allow fresh cold air into the engine but your system will also pick up that air if you get that canister out of the way. You could even extend that intake tubing to put the filter right in the hole of the fender to get the most fresh air possible. I have an 87 GTA and I got the entire air intake setup off of an 88 GTA from the bone yard for cheap and bought a used 3" cone filter that was on a mustang and added a small piece of PVC tubing to get the filter right into that opening of the inner fender. I also grabbed the rubber little shield piece that keeps the hot engine temp air away from the filter off of that 88 GTA at the bone yard. It looks like a mud flap thing that extends from the core support back to the coolant reservior. My system cost me about $50 and I got a lot better throttle response and a little more power out of it. Hope that helps...Laterzzzzzz..........

Also....I trashed my canister but took the purge solenoid off of the top of it and hid it in the core support just incase the ECM is looking for the canister it will still think it is there. (This only works because the OBDI ECM is stupid and does not actually look for flow when it requests a purge of the charcoal canister.)

[This message has been edited by Matt87GTA (edited April 01, 2001).]

jobryan26

Hey Matt,
Thanks and I was wondering about the canister thing. I really don't understand how you did it. Do you have a pic you could show me? I would like to trash it! What about the vaccum lines or whatever they are?

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'87 Trans Am:
(Engine)
305 TPI
160 Degree Thermostat
TB Bypass
Accel 300+ 8.8 Racing Wires
Accel Super Coil
Bosch Platinium Plugs
Custom Ram Air with K&N
Removed Emissions Equipment
(Stereo)
Kenwood Excelon

[This message has been edited by jobryan26 (edited April 01, 2001).]

Stormshadow GTA

If i wanted to put an open Kn cone on,how do i attach the cone to the maf,thanks

Matt87GTA

I just capped off both of the rubber vacuum lines at the Throttle Body area and left the hardened metal line (that is the fuel tank vent line) in place and just pushed it down under the air intake system and outta sight. Be careful with that fuel tank vent line being open to the atmosphere because if you drive the car in a heavy rain it could theoretically let water into the tank. I just don't drive my car any time the weather is ****ty and I have no problems with it. Gotta love outsmartin' the emissions control crap....hehe!!

Also as a bonus, the fuel tank will now be vented directly to the atmosphere and you will not have to worry about it building up a vacuum like some f-bodies tend to do when the canister purge malfunctions and does not allow air into the tank as the fuel gets consumed by the engine. That condition will fry a fuel pump real quick-like due to the increase in work it must do to get the fuel out of the tank.

Oh, and as for how I did it - just unbolt the canister and all of it's brackets, remove the purge solenoid and set it aside, (don't worry about breaking the plastic if you have to - it's goin in the trash shortly!! ) then toss the rest of it (maybe keep the canister around for awhile just incase you feel like putting it back - OK nevermind - toss it). It's really simple and you can get at all of the bolts no problem. Than plug the vacuum lines like I described above. If you drive in the rain sometimes, you may want to route a hose off of the fuel tank vent line to a protected area under the hood so that it doesn't get water in it.

Good luck....Laterzzzzzzzz

[This message has been edited by Matt87GTA (edited April 01, 2001).]

Matt87GTA

I didn't attach my open cone directly to the MAF. I kept the stock rubber hose that normally went from the MAF to the air box (from an 88 TA) and than put a 3" elbow piece of PVC pipe on it that turns the intake back to horizontal and extended it about another 4 inches with PVC pipe which puts the 3" opening, about 10" long K+N cone filter right into the opening of the inner fender (see my comments above about the fresh air flow).

No I don't have any pics of my setup .....yet ....

Laterzzzzzz