88BlackZ-51

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The Truth about Nology Wires, and Plugs!! Might want to read!!


First off before I start. These tests were done in the Jan 2007 article of Modified Mustangs. One of my friends that lives 2 minutes from my home is the Editor-Chief for the magazine. The test mule 1989 Ford Mustang GT is his personal vehicle. It is page 60 to page 64, Incase you guys want to give it a read.

I wont give you all the details, but I will give you the 'meat and potato's'. His car is a high mileage 89 Mustang GT. The car recently received a tune up in 2006 and was given new plugs/wires etc.

The car was driven from Barrie, ON down to Toronto, ON, and basically thrown on the Dyno. Car might of cooled down for a bit, but not for long. The conditions were 70 degrees F, 47 percent relative humidity and elevation is 650 feet ASL. The baseline results of 206.8 RWHP and 274.3 RWTQ, on 91-octane gas, there were actually pretty good for a stocker with high mileage. Car has a manual tranny.

Next was to change out the wires/plugs in the car, and replace with Nology HotWires, and Nology plugs.

Without getting into alot of detail with the Wires, and Plugs. This is something you can research yourself. The good news is that a nice gain was present on the Dynojet. 214.4 RWHP and 284.6 RWTQ. They then gave it another pull right after the first, 212.7 RWHP/279.6 RWTQ was spitted out. Those gains represent a gain of approximately. 8 RWHP/5RWTQ.
www.nology.co

These wires run around $285 through Summit. But we all know Summit is not the cheapest out there on alot of parts.

Hope you enjoyed that post. I did it just for you guys!

subliminal

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So basically they just gave the car a tune up and it had more power, it wasnt because of the particular plugs or wires. Id be willing to bet they would have seen similar results with any spark plugs and wires

anthony64ss

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...and I would never pay "$285" for a set of wires-especially for a stock or relatively stock high mileage car.

1991CamaroRslow

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NOLOGY = JUNK and I'll stand by that. Any company that charges you the price of an MSD 6 AL box for a set of wires needs to be shut down for fraud. Lets see a Nology wire provide the spark an MSD box and regular low resistance wire can provide, not going to happen.

Gallileo60

Gotta agree with subliminal...I dont think any wires could be worth that much money.......Damn thats crazy.....Tom

Kaiser

Somebody measured the Nology wires a while ago. All Nology do is add capacitance (35 pF @ 2 v) to low resistance wires.

What that does is store some of the coil energy during the initial voltage rise, then release the same energy when arc-over occurs (minus electrical losses).

Since wires cannot CREATE energy (per laws of nature and thermodynamics) they don't deliver any more spark energy than was already in the coil to begin with.. In fact, since no capacitor is perfect, they will produce some losses, as well as slow down the spark event a bit.

http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/DavidKucharczyk/spark_schem.jpg


You would be WAY further ahead to invest the price of the wires in some basic science text books. In the long run, they are a lot cheaper than buying smoke and mirrors

http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/DavidKucharczyk/ignition.html

88BlackZ-51

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umm, no. the plugs and wires in the 5.0 only had 6000 k's on them.

subliminal

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Doesnt matter, they were still used. of course a set of BRAND new parts will work better than used. Deee Deee Deee. But whatever if you want to waste almost 300 bucks on wires go right ahead.

88BlackZ-51

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i wont be. you guys are a hard crowd.

subliminal

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Even if they DID create 8 hp 285 bucks is waaayyyy too much. Especially for a mod you will end up having to replace in the near future.

TraviZ

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How come they Didnt dyno with other plug wires as well?

3.8TransAM

Actually, quite a few racing teams and manufacturers in all manners of venues have substantiated a brand new set of plugs will gain you 5-8 hp.

It lasts about one pull or one pass and then revert back to the minus 5-8hp range.

So just putting in new plugs could have made the difference.

later
Jeremy

1991CamaroRslow

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Ever notice when you put brand new plugs in the car will almost instantly fire up, as soon as that nice new surface gets a little blasted off of it and oil soaked you've gotta give her a few cranks before it'll start up. Brand new plugs will gain you some power for about 30 minutes. I bet Modified Mustangs magazine has nology as a sponsor.

ResurrectingZ

I can think of a lot of other things to use $300 for that may be of more use. Spare tires, elmer's glue, ect.

IROC-You

$250+ for a pair of spark plug wires?!?! Only stupid ricers would spend that much.

You could get an MSD box for less and probably have better results.

firebirdjosh

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35pF?! That seems like an absurdly small capacitance. Any more info discussing that?

88BlackZ-51

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prob right.

Kaiser

Uh, by reading my above reference all the way to the END you'll find the equation for energy storage in a Cap (E = 1/2 C * V * V). If the open circuit coil secondary voltage rises to say 33kV, the SQUARE of that number gives a decent storage capacity - less losses. In fact, 35pF probably matches up fairly well with the ~125-150 mJ in a typical HEI spark. (A Joule is defined as 1 amp-volt-second.)

The down side of course is that the wire losses are also bleeding off the high voltage side, costing stored energy at the same Squared rate. All you wind up doing is draining some of the HEI spark power to produce a shorter-duration(?) spark. Directionally, reducing spark energy is the wrong way to go, IMHO... especially at those prices. Ultra-low-resistance wires are also a wonderful idea - until you remember that you are using R-type spark plugs...

Caveat: The above is my review of the design information presented. I haven't personally tested those wires - and likely never will. For more reading on ignition topics in general some old engineering notes are archived here:
http://yarchive.net/car/ignition.html
The original HEI module design is found here:
http://www1.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/MC3334R0.PDF
An analysis of an MSD box is here:
http://www.dainst.com/info/circuits/msd6a_02.pdf

Happy reading

1MeanZ

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FWIW the Harley Davidson guys extensively tested Nology wires when they came out as well. I read an article where they had roughly 9 sets of brand new wires and they dyno tested them all head to head. The Nology wires came out on top by a small margin. Not saying they are worth the money, but there is some evidence out there that proves they work.

Red Devil

Probably about as good as an airfoil... just a whole lot more money. I certainly will pass...

roachjuice

the only thing an MSD box is good for is lightening your wallet.... nothing but crap.... the wires are worth it... but have you ever seen dyno results on a before and after??? ZERO hp gain!!!!

Red Devil

Actually, I've had very good results with MSD boxes over the few years I've used them. I've seen most cars improve mpg (one of my GTAs actually picked up almost 5 mpg with the box alone), almost all improve cold starts and yes, some did have negligible gain outside of the perceived (by the owners) smoother acceleration.

As for the dyno results, that is, as always, relative. On a high compression motor there are increases in power switching over from a stock ignition to an MSD (or other aftermerket system). To say flat out that they are crap is just attempting to propagate your apparent ignorance upon others.

As for their 'low resistance' wires, you may want to read up on those as well before you put any stock into those resistance claims relative to the actual working environment in which they reside.

ResurrectingZ

BURN!!!!!

Gallileo60

Well my money would be on the MSD, or comparable unit...There is just NO WAY I would pay that for wires....I ran an MSD 6 on my Chrysler race car, and was always happy with it....

typhoon

Isn't that like 6,000,000 miles ?

matt_p

6000 k's

6000 kilometers. Welcome to the world of metric.

Tony89GTA

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Or about 3700miles for are American friends

roachjuice

tried an msd box on the iroc (which is now gone) and didn't see any results.... personal experience.... so i wouldn't call me ignorant.... just stating my opinion....
spray is much better than an MSD box...

IROC-You

Negative, if you think about it an MSD box is doing exactly what those wires claim to do exept do it BETTER.

Every single car i have installed an MSD box on has instantly improved the idle quality. No i did not really feel a power increase but the idle quality part alone makes it worth it.

I think to see the true benefit of any MSD box you need to either be running high compression or lots of boost.

Gallileo60

Spray, will work even better with a stronger ignition system, as will all other mods....Yes, I too have noticed the better idle with a MSD...It is also true the more the engine is modded the more important is the ignition system..(Forgive my rambling)

roachjuice