87350IROC

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Had my car dyno tuned today. I'll post the graph later, as their printer didn't work, so they have to send it to me.
I don't recall the rpms but
hp: 220
tq: 296

Unfortunatley the graph did start until 2500rpm and by that point the torque was already falling. But its nice to know.

L98 0.030" bored
stock heads
zz4 cam
AS&M runners
portmatched plenum and base
K&N's
SLP 1 3/4" headers
catco cat
edelbrock catback
700-r4
9-bolt

The tuning was done by Alvin of PCMforless. I feel he did a very nice job. He picked up about 20hp.

kylez28

*** l98's are slow

Abubaca

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Almost my set-up exactly. Nice to see some numbers.

He didn't post any times.

kylez28

a l98 can never be fast, and if u try to make it fast its just a waste of time, you'rebetter off buying an ls1 or a crate engine

91GTABird

Than what the hell are you running one for. Why arent you running a LS1.

Ill take a L98 over a a Goodwrench 350 allday.

kylez28

Because i'm poor and I can't afford anything better than this joke.

IROCThe5.7L

Thats not a very intelligent comment. L98 = Standard 350. And we all know you can make any 350 fast with the right amount of money. Of course stock the LS1 is way better. But once you start getting into internals/intakes, it's anyones game.

kylez28

or you could just buy an LS1 and save urself some time and money

IROCThe5.7L

Very true, 98 + Fbodies are running about the same price as thirdgens these days


Or you can buy a nice $5,000 IROC, and drop $7,000 into the motor if you have money. Instead of buying a $12,000 LS1.

It's all preference, but to say an L98 is going to be slow no matter what is rediculous.

kylez28

Or even better buy a Third Gen like I did for 5000$ a nice looking one, spend 4 grand on LS1 and 4L60E transmission, and have a sweet car.

IROCThe5.7L

Well that sounds like a good plan. But speaking of hassle, have fun with putting that LS1 in there

I imagine the LS1 is stock with the tranny for 4k?

kylez28

it's more of a hassle to upgrade your L98, you have to pretty much rebuild the entire thing just so its almost as fast as a stock LS1

IROCThe5.7L

Eh, I don't know about that one. It's a toss up in my opinion.




There are a range of people here with bolt on L98's going 13.5-14.0. The majority of LS1's I seen are mid 13's stock. If your rebuilding a L98, it is all about the quality of the parts you put in it. If you spend $5,000 for internals for a L98, there is a problem if it can't beat a stock LS1.


I am not trying to take anything away from a LS1 though. They are killer motors, I have alot of respect for them. And I do realize they are much faster stock vs stock with a L98. Not to mention easily in the 12's with bolt ons.

kylez28

exactly you have to bolt on everything just to run less than a stock ls1, a stock ls1 can hit 12.9. what do stock l98s run?? 15s??? LOL

IROCThe5.7L

Ok at this point, it is clear your not comprehending what I am trying to say here. It has been a pleasure debating with you. Good night.

kylez28

I don't think you're getting what i'm saying. You are trying to say that l98's can be quick. How is that possible? what would you do to make it even close to a stock ls1? I have thought about the Holley Stealth Ram, Bigger Cam, Headers combo, but it still wont be fast. What does your car run? I have mine bored .60 over, ported plenum, K&N with the ram air effect, flowmaster exhaust, no cat, bbk throttle body, and my l98 is out of a 91 vette, so faster than regular camaro. my best time was a 13.683 in the 1/4 and I dont remember the 1/8 mile, but it was in the mid 8's.

IROCThe5.7L

Ok, lets try this again.


Because your starting off with a 350 ci motor. Sure it has faults like TPI restriction, but that can be removed.

There is no reason why a L98 with say a stealth ram, very good flowing heads, and a nice large cam couldnt be in the 11's. It is all about the parts you put in it.

You could do a stealth ram, heads and cam and run low 13's. Or you can do a stealth ram, heads and cam, and run 11's. It's all about the quality of the parts and how deep your pockets are.


I agree with you that the a stock LS1 is much better then a stock L98. And it is a better starting platform. But you are saying NOTHING can be done to a L98 to make it as fast as a stock LS1, and I am saying thats not true.



87350IROC, sorry for getting carried away and getting offtopic of your thread.

91GTABird

KylZ28

I see a probation coming soon.

What are you posting for then if hate L98's so much. just because messed with yours tore yours up and cant outrun a civic doesnt mean that you have to dog every other L98 out there.

See your problem is that when you are refering to L98 you arent even talking about the TPI. Your just talking about a 3.48 stroke and 4.000 bore sbc. There are MANY MANY MANY L98 blocks out there that will walk ontop of ANY stock LS1.

Well maybe you ****ing stupid *** dumb **** **** sucking idiot dont understand that everyone else out there that does not have the money dont have a LS1 either. If they were as cheap as a cracker job everyone would have one.

Sounds like you have a 302 stuck up your ***, or you just learned how to read and found a article about a LS1 and now its the most powerfull motor out there.

Why not a LS6 or an LS2? Maybe a LS7. What about a 454 or a 502?

You must be so damn poor that you dont even know the concept of money. To have stuff you have to have it. MONEY. LS1's cost money. Motor mounts, crossmembers, ecm, etc. All that stuff cost a considerable amount of money.

L98. $300 at a slavage yard, ebay, or maybea local.

LS!. $2000 plus

Theres your education in money. Now please take you dumb *** comments somewhere else.

kylez28

I love my car and I can beat the majority of cars on the road. I just hate the fact that basically any other camaro I see can take me. I mean all you see nowadays are 98-02 LS1 camaros. I mean occasionally I come across an LT1 and I can hang with them. All the stuff that I have said just came out of frustration that I lost in 3 different races tonight. First one was to my friends 94 camaro, with a ls1 out of a 97 vette, then he talked **** about my car being out-dated. The second loss was against a stock 02 anniversary SS which was a lot closer than I expected, but he still whipped my ***. The third was against a bolt on 98 z28, and he ****ed me up pretty bad too. Sorry if I came off as an a$$hole, which I know I did, but I was just pissed off, I am sorry.

IROCThe5.7L

I understand where you are coming from. And if you want to put a LS1 in your car, more power to you. I hope it works out for you. I was just trying to point out if you got a new intake and a nice heads/cam package, you could beat up on those LS1 bullys

Every LS1 I raced, I tore them off the line pretty good. But the longer the race went, the harder they pulled on me

Actually Kyle, your sig picture looks familiar. Post on Ls1tech.com?

kylez28

Actually I have won a race against an LS1, he was driving a manual and he was a very bad driver, he also said his car wasn't shifting right, I run 13.6 in my car, I think he's full of it. point for me.

kylez28

And yes, I do post on LS1tech.com and what do you think of my car, alot of people make fun of it and call it a color-changing hot wheel or well those LS1 bullies do atleast lol. Also what is a good cam to go with in a HSR/cam combo, i have been serisouly considering this, i just dont want my idle to be too ****ed up and sound like a drag car, i was thinkign zz4 cam but i doubt that would make my RPM high enough to maximize the HSR

brianp454

Keep it clean already!

OK, just kidding... Duke it out in a deathmatch! LOL

It seems to me that Kylez28 is ... spinning things a bit. First, a car that runs mid 13's (as he said his does) is pretty quick. Making blanket statements that it will "never" be quick is inaccurate. Please define quick! My 350 powered 4WD Suburban with a 30-plus year old worn out carb can beat the fart-muffler packin’ things that are used to street “race” and kill pedestrians in hometown USA. Is my 5000 lb Surburban quick? Is this the mentality of “it’s pretty fast for a 4 banger” comment about fartmobiles? Does a big humungo tail fin help it pull posi or a wheelie with front wheel drive?

Second, mid 13's on the stock heads no less! It's no big secret that the L98 heads were not the best. A set of heads (e.g. S/R torqer, vortec, Preformer RPM, Holley, AFR, Trick Flow, with even <180cc intake runners will really wake up an L98.

Third, this site has a number of articles and testimonials with guys using TPI (an sometimes fairly stock ones) that make great power.

Forth, not many folks out there know enough to realize that the engine needs to be a BALANCED SYSTEM. As a rocket surgeon, I see this sort of thing every day… Anyway, there’s no point in putting big runners and a throttle body on an engine with stock L98 heads and expecting greatness. The same mods on an L98 with a really good set of heads will net results. Period. FYI, higher peak HP numbers from a HSR look good, but do not tell the whole story.

Fifth, it doesn’t require a huge amount of money if you know what you are doing. A set of heads (the old ones may need some work anyway, maybe a slightly hotter cam than the stock L98, gasket matching the stock TPI parts, and a few other simple mods would net a setup that would perform well. Plus it would drive nice!

Finally, if he considers his own ride to be a "joke" doesn’t that make him the joke? I’m not here to throw punches, but please stick to the facts.

kylez28

Damn man I already apologized, but no you decide to call me a joke. I already stated that I was just mad about losing to LS1's.

Tibo

iTrader: (15)

Dude, you are new here. So as a clue to you, don't go around these boards shouting how bad L98s are. That will tick everyone off. Many people have proven you wrong, on almost all of your previous comments.

It sounds like you are mad because you took out your stock TPI car and lost to some LS1s. There are people on these boards with N/A 305 TPI cars that can beat LS1s. There are many Illinois cars with 350s that can beat LS1s, mine included.

You have alot to learn judging from your previous post. People hear are glad to help you if you are polite about it and do not tell them they are slow and will never be fast.

And try to pick up after yourself, we do not like all of the laying around here.

brianp454

No problem! I wrote that as you sent your reply. Crossed in the air!

Have you though about changing your heads? It seems like you keep the car cleaned up nice. Anyone that's not an **** (even if they beat you by a bit) would say that a car like yours deserves some respect.

My 2 cents...

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Those dyno numbers seem lower than would be expected for that car. IIRC, stock, alot here dyno near 312 RWTQ or so at about 2,800/3,200 RPM, you'd think modified it'd be a decent amount more and the peak would be slightly higher from porting and all the other mods.

Anyway, I'm hoping that 87350IROC will make a new post and try again after the nonsensical idioticness that just happened here. A few got very close to Probation here, but I choose to just watch and see if anything similar happens with the same people involved here. A good tip for all, try and at least know what you're talking about before you say something, don't make conclusions right away, listen, and ask questions before you go and mess up someone else's post.