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Old 11-04-2004 | 08:43 AM
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Converting from Carb to TPI, which year donor should I avoid?

Hello,
I planning a swap to TPI on my 350 El Camino, I want to make sure I get the right donor engine. I was told to avoid the 85 as the MAF tends to burn out is this correct? I was also planning on using a MAF system as at a later date I want to add a supercharger to the system and it seems that this would be the easiest way to go or would it be better to go with a speed density unit. Also would an 86-89 year be good for MAF and for SD units 90-92? Thanks for any and all help.


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Re: Converting from Carb to TPI, which year donor should I avoid?

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Hello,
I planning a swap to TPI on my 350 El Camino, I want to make sure I get the right donor engine. I was told to avoid the 85 as the MAF tends to burn out is this correct? I was also planning on using a MAF system as at a later date I want to add a supercharger to the system and it seems that this would be the easiest way to go or would it be better to go with a speed density unit. Also would an 86-89 year be good for MAF and for SD units 90-92? Thanks for any and all help.


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Get an ECM and harness out of a 90-92 '730 setup, and get a HSR. You don't want TPI on your el camino, unless of course you want to go slower.

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Old 11-04-2004 | 10:23 AM
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I live in CA. and smog laws only permit me to go to TPI, I can't even go to TBI if I wanted to. Hence the question. What is HSR?


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Old 11-04-2004 | 11:57 AM
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I like the 86-89 types the best. I believe the 85 was a one of a kind and had some problems.

I have an 87 5.7L TPI transplant.

My 87 did not have the VATS (vehicle anti-theft system). No problems with trying to find ways to by-pass the theft system because it didn’t have one.

With a MAF you can change your cam without a need to add a chip to your computer.

I got a “Painless” wire harness #6012 that made the transplant very easly for me.

I love my 5.7L TPI (MAF) system. It’s great for everyday driving, reliable, emissions friendly, good on gas, and goes like hell. Best of all worlds, in my opinion

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Originally posted by AUGUST
I live in CA. and smog laws only permit me to go to TPI, I can't even go to TBI if I wanted to. Hence the question. What is HSR?


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You could go TBI.

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Old 11-04-2004 | 12:19 PM
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As stated above, smog laws will NOT let me go to TBI only TPI.
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As stated above, smog laws will NOT let me go to TBI only TPI.
That is not true.

http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Che..._V-8_Smog.html
Old 11-04-2004 | 03:53 PM
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Thanks for the info, I had been told this info from my mechanic/smog tech, seem's he was told some inproper info.


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Old 11-04-2004 | 07:47 PM
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Re: TPI

Originally posted by Oshdog
I like the 86-89 types the best. I believe the 85 was a one of a kind and had some problems.

I have an 87 5.7L TPI transplant.

My 87 did not have the VATS (vehicle anti-theft system). No problems with trying to find ways to by-pass the theft system because it didn’t have one.

With a MAF you can change your cam without a need to add a chip to your computer.

I got a “Painless” wire harness #6012 that made the transplant very easly for me.

I love my 5.7L TPI (MAF) system. It’s great for everyday driving, reliable, emissions friendly, good on gas, and goes like hell. Best of all worlds, in my opinion
Osh. what kind of cam do you have in your 5.7L? Im doing the same painless wiring Kit Install. ( #60102).
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Converting from Carb to TPI, which year donor should I avoid?
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Old 11-05-2004 | 09:27 PM
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Yup hes right, i heard 85's have had problems with the MAF system on that year only.
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i say that not because of problems,they (85-92) all have their problems.i say stay away from the 85 system is because of the speed of the ECM.i my self prefer the 90-92 systems.it a much better computer
if your starting with a clean slate i'd go with SD
Old 11-06-2004 | 08:40 AM
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Thanks for the info, I was planning on going with MAF only because I will be adding a supercharger at a later date and did not fully understand about burning chips. Now that the chip burning issue seems a bit more clear to me I will be giong with an SD system.


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Old 11-06-2004 | 01:13 PM
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If you are going to go SD, then use the 730 or 749 as from the 90-92. You could use either of those while you are still breathing "common" air and then change the code and wiring to run boosted. Get into burning your own chips and you can do anything and be incontrol of the outcome. That's the path I have chosen. Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by AUGUST
Thanks for the info, I was planning on going with MAF only because I will be adding a supercharger at a later date and did not fully understand about burning chips. Now that the chip burning issue seems a bit more clear to me I will be giong with an SD system.


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i have heard of people going with a ECM out of a Typhone or a Syclone because they going to run a SC.

Old 11-06-2004 | 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by AUGUST
What is HSR?
HSR = Holley Stealth Ram. Its like a cross between TPI and a tunnel ram.

I had 2 MAFs go out on my '85 Z28. At $200 each that was not too cool.
Old 11-07-2004 | 07:20 AM
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i have heard of people going with a ECM out of a Typhone or a Syclone because they going to run a SC.

The '749 running $58 doesnt control air injection though..



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Old 11-08-2004 | 08:34 AM
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Thanks for the info! Does the 730 control Air injection? The typhoon/cyclone option sounds pretty good also (I wonder how hard it will be to find those ECM). Went looking for one yesterday and so far no luck have to keep looking.


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Old 11-08-2004 | 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by AUGUST
Thanks for the info! Does the 730 control Air injection? The typhoon/cyclone option sounds pretty good also (I wonder how hard it will be to find those ECM). Went looking for one yesterday and so far no luck have to keep looking.


August
The $58, or $60 code will run in a '730.

I could prolly import some of the code frin $8d to get air injection working on $60. infact, i'll put that on my todo list.

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I'd be willing to help get that imported, I'm getting pretty familiar with the $8D but haven't paid much attn to the emmision stuff. Now I'm studying 58 & 60 and its a bit different from what I see in the $8D. Send me a PM, we can do two prong attack.
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