87tpi

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Yeah thanks to everybody who gave some usefull info on the question that was asked,and didn't chime in with all of the bickering on what is stock or not.I should get the high end back with the superram right?The supercharger will help a lot too.

TPI-Formula350-

I've got my Stock head,cam, long block no power adder going low 13's. That with pretty much every bolton out there. As far as stock L98 Fbody times I've never seen better then high 14's. And I've been running them since 1988.

SweetS10v8

I havent raced in OH. I moved here from Michigan to go back to college in "high performance technologies" Learning to mill heads today, fun fun.

Ill be in Akron in about 2 yrs. when I finish my Bach. degree and start at Summit (crosses fingers)

I havent done anyting to the car to goto the track for, and running 14's will make people fall asleep, including me while I drive. :yawn:

Now that Im married $$ is tight especially being full time college student again, the closest track is 45 minutes away and then $10 to race on a not so great track, from what I hear. I want to run up and check out Norwalk

I will be going sometime this summer though, my buddy bought a 91 Z28 with a 305 5 speed, 55k miles, and were gonna race when he gets down here. We have a history of having the same vehicles with about the same power. We always race each other, and have the same tastes as you can see, yes we the cams are the same

87LB9B4Z

So, what will it take for my 2002 Civic Si to beat an LS1? Right now it's completely stock - even the exhaust.

CashMunson

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Hey i wouldn't mind meeting up with you guys. I'm only about 25 minutes from akron. I race at quaker and thompson, both are good tracks. Norwalk is always the talk because the big boys race there. It's also a pretty far drive to get there. Nothing wrong with going 14's when you bracket race. My old 87 TA had a carbed 305 and was so beat to hell it would only run 16.60's. But it sure as hell would run 16.63 all day long. I used to go to the track and take down 12 second cars like nothing because I ran my dial all day long. Sure it's not fun to go slow but it's fun to win and celebrate. Drop me a msg on aim sometime, MunsonGTA.

nick418

So, what will it take for my 2002 Civic Si to beat an LS1? Right now it's completely stock - even the exhaust.

:nono: we dont want another off topic riot, we enuff some advice..

How long have you been going to the Tracks Munson???

nick418

we had enough *** spell mistake

irocz eric

This guy is completely ignorant.

fireball451

Just to mix things up a bit:

Back in mid-1992 at Bristol Dragway, my STOCK 1991 Z28 305tpi 5sp G80 G92 with around 7500 miles surprised me and my friends. I ran a 14.57 at 90mph. I had not done a single thing to the car. A basic wash, wax, oil change, and chassis lube is not a mod! That was my best run.
One friend had a 1991 Z28 350tpi. I killed his car through the quarter. (he never wanted to talk about it)
Not trying to start any arguement here. My friends never expected the car to do that and I was not expecting that good of a et. They alway told me that they could not believe how strong my car ran when they rode around in it.
The car is long gone. Too bad I never got to make another trip to the track before I traded the car a few years ago. It would have been neat to see what kind of et could turn after the warranty went out and I started doing a few basic mods. Wish I had it back........
As for the topic: L98 vs LS1
I love to see the under-dog pull off a win every now and then!

FSTFBDY

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have you had your STOCK GTA to the Track to prove its a STOCK 12second GTA?

As I recall It hasnt even ran right since the heads,cam,intake swap.

You better take it back to the dealership because if a stock GTA runs like that id be pissed off.


I'm suprised this Stupid post isnt locked yet..

CashMunson

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chris talk **** about my car all you want... that's just the kind of person you are...

and when you come to get that **** bring a black window switch trim since you broke one of them on my car and you said you'd replace it... have a nice day

CashMunson

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Nick i've been racing at thompson and quaker since I was 18. So 3 years or so i've been racing.

FSTFBDY

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lol. I was just sating YOU cant clame to have a 12second car like you said he cant clame to have a STOCK car.

Just because you have the PARTS to have a 12second car doesnt mean it is now does it.


Just because I have a turbo that can support 1200HP layin in my foyer doesnt mean I have a 1200 3rdgen now does it?

As for the window switch no problem. as I recall I told you to take one out of my Z but you said Ah Im buyin 2new ones anyways.

BuckeyeROC

Back to 87tpi's original question...

Depends on definition of "lightly modded", but let's say for sake of arguement that it just means all/most bolt-ons, stock heads/cam, no power adders etc. Lightly modded L98 vs. lightly modded LS1...the LS1 should stomp the L98 (in a 1/4 mile), given same traction, weight, driver, etc.

There are plenty of just bolt-on LS1's running mid 11's @ 112-116 mph. Weights vary, driver varies, etc. There are some JUST cam/bolt-on LS1's running mid-high 10's and low 11's at over 120 mph. One I know of just ran 10.7 @ 128 mph, 3250 raceweight at 1300' DA. Now, with AFR heads coming out for LS1's, you'll see some low-mid 10 sec N/A heads/cam LS1's. I don't see anything close to this happening with L98's. In fact, that is one reason I sold the IROC and starting modding my LS1. The LS1 is just a more efficiently designed motor, and has years more technology behind it. Nothing against the L98, you can make great power and run some good numbers. My head/cam L98 was mild and would smoke stock LS1's on the street. But stock vs stock and mod for mod, the LS1 is tough to beat with an L98. It's tough to beat with a lot of cars.

omcrider

"Buckeyeroc" True that!

I think we are more refering to stock LS1's which most are still these days. Obviously the LS1 is a better platform to start with, and if you add the same bolt ons, or work to either you will still be in front with the LS1, but it will cost you more to get there also, between innitial purchase price and cost of mods. So its basically back to that original saying "How fast can I go? I don't know how much money you got?"

CashMunson

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you're right I can't claim to have a 12 second car because it hasn't been to the track yet and it might not even make it there this year. It only went 15.10 with bald *** tires on the opening day of thompson last year so I guess really I have a 15 second car with an estimated 400 hp.

FSTFBDY

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I know what your sayin. i was just bustin your chops cuz you were bustin the guys chops with the stock camaro.

id still consider it stock since he didnt do a CAT BACK. as I rear it all he did was a muff. and tips.

Would chrome vale caps make me not stock in a car show? would a muffiler and tips? make me not stock in a Street Bracket class?

omcrider

Enough with the stock stuff already, start your own post if you want to talk about "What does stock mean" right now you guys are arguing ridiculously and hijacking TPI87's post.

FSTFBDY

iTrader: (33)

his question has been answered. buckeye couldnt have put it any better.

Bolt on LS1's will walk all over bolt on L98's hands down.

best bang for the buck if you can afford it is a used ls1 . Then so ported heads and cam.

Mikos_89

The thing about the L98 is that it came in the most appealing F-body to date in IMO You don't have that football-field sized dash to look over. You can actually SEE the hood while you're driving a 3rd gen. Yes, I know on some 4th gen's you can actually see part of the scoops on the hood like on the SS and Ram Air models. However, you have to get used to looking through those huge wiper blades sitting at the base of the windshield.

The nice thing about a classic design like the 3rd gen is that I can always make it just as fast or even faster than a stock LS1, a modded LS1 or even a heavily modded LS1 if I wanted too. You don't necessarily have to keep the L98 if you got a 3rd gen. You could go to the HSR or the miniram for some LS1-like top-end power. Yeah, emissions testing can limit the options drastically for a typical L98 owner, but the LS1 owner would be rather limited to what he/she could do too.

The funny thing is that 20-yrs from now when people are talking about the super efficient 600hp DOD LS4 6.2 liter, they'll be saying the same things about the LS1 then like their saying about the L98 now.

SweetS10v8

And all us die hard 3rd genners will all just be getting able to put LS1s in our cars....lol

BuckeyeROC

True, it's all about individual taste, goals, and budget. For the record, I know there is at least one big block ex-LS1 powered car out there. All it takes is money and skill, or more money to pay someone skilled. The right people can do anything you want to any car.

P.S. I like to imagine the LS4 with 1000 HP, and in a Camaro with 69 RS/SS retro styling

ghettosmurf

87TPI.....sorry for your whole post being "JACKED" by ignorant people argueing about the dummest things...I hope i helped you out a lil bit. The reason why i suggested HSR is because you can take your car easy up to 6500rpm...miniram is similar but costs way more and for the lil benefit its not worth it. You could even put an LT1 intake on it, or you can just drop an LT1 in and def. have mods available out there to pull modded LS1's. Im sure you can get an n/a L98 to run 12's but then you are stuck unless you wanna boost, our get some giggle gas. W/ an LT1, the swap is pretty cheap, and alot easier than an LS1 swap. Ask, there are a lot of people on the boards that have em. You can make those cars run 11's n/a and still be streetable. They are also more effieciant than the older motors..

nick418

The funny thing is that 20-yrs from now when people are talking about the super efficient 600hp DOD LS4 6.2 liter, they'll be saying the same things about the LS1 then like their saying about the L98 now.

Thats what im telling some ppl at other Threads.. Not even 20 yrs, maybe 10 yrs from now ppl are gona laugh at the Ls1 and point at all the pros and cons about it , And the L98 is gonna be a classic! It will already be over 20 yr old engin (L98) PPl dont just give the respect for the L98, It came out in the horrible performance years of cars, V6s were like producing like 135 to 140hp ( 1980s early 90s) ! So when the L98 came out to the Public it was 245hp 345lbs, which was alot at the time ,due to all the emissions and all that crap. The L98 doesnt get credit and it seems most of the time ppl put it down. The L98 brought Performance back to the market for GM, without the L98, there would be no Lt1 or no Ls1.. This engine brought GM back to performance. B4 the L98 there were all these 350s that were like producin like 190-200hp with weak performance ( for instance the CFI) I think ppl should give the L98 a lil bit more credit, and its also an old design and engine.. I think it still has alot of ***** and is a good strong engine that can take alot of beating.

nick418

and sorry i cant spell for ****

87tpi

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Well thanks for all the usefull info.I know that it would be hard to beat a modded ls1 but I 'm talking about on the street.I want to stay with the l98 because of price of parts and the ease of working on it.I'm 90 % sure I'm going to use afr heads stealth or mini ram nice cam,pistons,and supercharger.I don't live near a track so It would be mostly on the street.I may go to a track once in awhile though.

nick418

Well thanks for all the usefull info.I know that it would be hard to beat a modded ls1 but I 'm talking about on the street.I want to stay with the l98 because of price of parts and the ease of working on it.I'm 90 % sure I'm going to use afr heads stealth or mini ram nice cam,pistons,and supercharger.I don't live near a track so It would be mostly on the street.I may go to a track once in awhile though.

thats cool that ur sticking with the L98, L98 is very strong depenble engine, not the fastest but its a very good engine

ghettosmurf

I noticed you said supercharger...in that case you could blow modded ones away... im sure w/ the mods you are talking about depending on SC...i recomment pro-charger that you could be in the 10's. I mean there is a guy running 11's on a 305 w/a procharger. And on the street you should be beating LS1s a lil more easily than on the track because you have more bottom end, just watch out on the freeway...youll get er done though, keep us posted. And i hope i could help

nick418

I think if u supercharge an L98

it would be 345hp 430Lbs Of torque

ANd with the right gears and suspension u should be able to blow a stock Ls1 away..

REDZ28

Nice looking car 87TPI !!

Steven89Iroc

I agree in that the original question has been answered, but I'd like to add my point of view. First, yes a power adder would be the singlemost easiest way to get up to LS1 performance, otherwise every bolt on you can think of.

Now, you have to realize that LS1's seem all big and bad now, but you're car doesn't get faster, everyone elses just gets slower. When I'm in my Talon and I see a stock or near stock LS1 F-body/Vette/whatever I think "LS1, not very fast". Then when I see one in my Camaro with the 'mostly stock' (for now) L98 I get scared because it seems like the fastest car on the street. It's pretty wierd, heh.
Here's what you do...
Low compression forged internals, good heads and cam to match, HSR, lots of fuel and any power adder of your choice with lots of boost, then slap a 9" in there with a built tranny and some suspension mods, and top it off with some nice wide tires. You'll be saying "LSwhat?" in no time.