cold air intake
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Car: 84 Pontiac Firebird
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I tried it before and it seems like there's no aftermarket cold air kit for 89-92 year model. Looks like it will have to be custom make to have one. I have an idea get a steel pipe from a muffler shop I think it's 3 and half inches pipe and have it bend slightly then cut up a hole under the old air filter box to get into the fender and add cone to it. Seems like a best solution to get a cold air charge into the engine? It's just a thought
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From: Silver Creek, GA
Car: 1989 Bright Red GTA
Engine: Grand Sport LT4
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.73
SLP makes a Cold Air Intake (www.slponline.com) for all years of TPI cars, MAF and SD. They move the charcoal canister underneath and take fresh cold air from the passenger side fenderwell. SLP also makes a dual inlet cold air sytem for SD cars, but you will have to relocate your battery to the trunk.
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From: San Lorenzo, California
Car: 1987 Firebird Trans AM
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Transmission: TH700R4
Heads up.. I just went with a friend to get a SMOG Pre-test, and they told him he would fail the visual, because he relocated the Charcoal Canister, and added a SLP Cold Air Intake. SLP's website says it is legal, and has CARB numbers, but the smog tech said it couldn't pass with that CAI because the charcoal canister had been moved. The SMOG Tech also said the Throttle Body Bypass would fail the visual too... I'm just getting the word out, as I have seen this first hand now. I was wondering if anyone else had any other information about SMOG and CAI in California.
I was going to build a custom CAI but now I'm scared. I wanted to relocate the Charcoal Canister to somewhere in the front of the nose, but now I don't think this is possible to do and still pass SMOG.
I was going to build a custom CAI but now I'm scared. I wanted to relocate the Charcoal Canister to somewhere in the front of the nose, but now I don't think this is possible to do and still pass SMOG.
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From: Cypress, California
Car: 1989 GTA
Engine: 369 TPI
Transmission: 4L60E
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I had to go to a Test Only smog station here in Southern California this past January. With the SLP Cold Air Intake I to had to have the charcoal canistor relocated. Also had the throttle body bypass. No problem where I went. He asked about the bypass and I told him it was for cold weather to keep from icing. In SoCal we don't need it.
By the way I barely passed the emissions test. My car is at Dyno Don's here in SoCal getting an upgrade at the present time including the exhaust system. Come to find out one of my cats was complete gutted. The other was just fine. Also the air pipes to my cats were partially broken and leaking air.
I'am just amazed that it passed the smog test. Allen
By the way I barely passed the emissions test. My car is at Dyno Don's here in SoCal getting an upgrade at the present time including the exhaust system. Come to find out one of my cats was complete gutted. The other was just fine. Also the air pipes to my cats were partially broken and leaking air.
I'am just amazed that it passed the smog test. Allen
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From: San Lorenzo, California
Car: 1987 Firebird Trans AM
Engine: 383 TPI...very soon
Transmission: TH700R4
Originally posted by 1989GTATransAm
I had to go to a Test Only smog station here in Southern California this past January. With the SLP Cold Air Intake I to had to have the charcoal canistor relocated. Also had the throttle body bypass. No problem where I went. He asked about the bypass and I told him it was for cold weather to keep from icing.
I had to go to a Test Only smog station here in Southern California this past January. With the SLP Cold Air Intake I to had to have the charcoal canistor relocated. Also had the throttle body bypass. No problem where I went. He asked about the bypass and I told him it was for cold weather to keep from icing.
The regular tech said that the Throttle Body Coolant Passage was to "COOL" the throttle body, because it normally gets very hot, and the coolant helps keep it cooler. My friend and I both knew that was BS, but then he said that it is part of emissions, and it would have to be fixed before being smogged again.
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Car: 1989 GTA
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My charcoal canister is next to the battery on the drivers side. My battery has a strap that makes it easy to get in and out. With out the strap the charcoal canister makes it hard to get the battery in and out unless you remove the canister. Allen
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From: Oakland Ca.
Car: 1988 GTA
Engine: 5.7L/L98
Transmission: 700r4
Man where was that station at MYstic? They are being hard azzes. I think it all comes down to where you go. So we should have a list of smog stations to avoid set up for different areas to help us avoid this problem.
If you make your own CAI, you can do it without removing the smog canister.
If you make your own CAI, you can do it without removing the smog canister.
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From: Carson, CA
Car: '88 GTA, 90 Formula
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Transmission: 700r4 4u2?
Axle/Gears: 9bolt
I have had my car smogged several times. The Throttle body coolant has never been hooked up. It is also not on the list of things for the smog tech to verify is present and working. I also re-routed and re-engineered my AIR system, and have had no problems.
Go to a different smog station. He is not being reasonable, as there are no laws that say you can't move things. They just have to be present and operational.
Troy
So Cal
Go to a different smog station. He is not being reasonable, as there are no laws that say you can't move things. They just have to be present and operational.
Troy
So Cal
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From: San Lorenzo, California
Car: 1987 Firebird Trans AM
Engine: 383 TPI...very soon
Transmission: TH700R4
Originally posted by omcrider
Man where was that station at MYstic? They are being hard azzes. I think it all comes down to where you go. So we should have a list of smog stations to avoid set up for different areas to help us avoid this problem.
If you make your own CAI, you can do it without removing the smog canister.
Man where was that station at MYstic? They are being hard azzes. I think it all comes down to where you go. So we should have a list of smog stations to avoid set up for different areas to help us avoid this problem.
If you make your own CAI, you can do it without removing the smog canister.
This Smog Station was on the corner of Dyer Street, and Alvarado Blvd, in Union City... The 76 Station right there. I will not be going there for any SMOG tests.. that's for sure.
Originally posted by TA
I have had my car smogged several times. The Throttle body coolant has never been hooked up. It is also not on the list of things for the smog tech to verify is present and working. I also re-routed and re-engineered my AIR system, and have had no problems.
Go to a different smog station. He is not being reasonable, as there are no laws that say you can't move things. They just have to be present and operational.
Troy
So Cal
I have had my car smogged several times. The Throttle body coolant has never been hooked up. It is also not on the list of things for the smog tech to verify is present and working. I also re-routed and re-engineered my AIR system, and have had no problems.
Go to a different smog station. He is not being reasonable, as there are no laws that say you can't move things. They just have to be present and operational.
Troy
So Cal
But I also believe they should do away with Visuals... I mean if you pass the sniffer, who cares what's hooked up and what is actually there. Right? I don't get it, these laws seem to be getting more abserd every day.
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From: Oakland Ca.
Car: 1988 GTA
Engine: 5.7L/L98
Transmission: 700r4
"But I also believe they should do away with Visuals... I mean if you pass the sniffer, who cares what's hooked up and what is actually there. Right? I don't get it, these laws seem to be getting more abserd every day."
Ditto!!!
Ditto!!!
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Originally posted by TheMysticWizard
Heads up.. I just went with a friend to get a SMOG Pre-test, and they told him he would fail the visual, because he relocated the Charcoal Canister, and added a SLP Cold Air Intake. SLP's website says it is legal, and has CARB numbers, but the smog tech said it couldn't pass with that CAI because the charcoal canister had been moved. The SMOG Tech also said the Throttle Body Bypass would fail the visual too... I'm just getting the word out, as I have seen this first hand now. I was wondering if anyone else had any other information about SMOG and CAI in California.
Heads up.. I just went with a friend to get a SMOG Pre-test, and they told him he would fail the visual, because he relocated the Charcoal Canister, and added a SLP Cold Air Intake. SLP's website says it is legal, and has CARB numbers, but the smog tech said it couldn't pass with that CAI because the charcoal canister had been moved. The SMOG Tech also said the Throttle Body Bypass would fail the visual too... I'm just getting the word out, as I have seen this first hand now. I was wondering if anyone else had any other information about SMOG and CAI in California.
Peace Out,
PsychoGTA
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it was my car that failed the visual that mystic was talking about. . i wanted to shoot him in his piehole
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From: Oakland Ca.
Car: 1988 GTA
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Hey was it a pre-inspection? If he didn't punch you into his database I would just find a different shop. Go to one that isn't so high profile there less likely to give you crap.
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If I were you, I'd try searching for some info on the SLP airbox. If I'm not mistaken, you can buy just the airbox for around $80 from SLP and use the rest of the stock intake tubing (on later thirdgen firebirds). On earlier TPI birds like my 87, I'd either have to buy the full kit, or pick up some intake ducts from a junkyard to go with the airbox.
Hopefully somebody more knowledgable on this topic will add some information, maybe somebody who's got the SLP airbox...
If I were you, I'd try searching for some info on the SLP airbox. If I'm not mistaken, you can buy just the airbox for around $80 from SLP and use the rest of the stock intake tubing (on later thirdgen firebirds). On earlier TPI birds like my 87, I'd either have to buy the full kit, or pick up some intake ducts from a junkyard to go with the airbox.
Hopefully somebody more knowledgable on this topic will add some information, maybe somebody who's got the SLP airbox...
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From: nashville,tn
Car: 85 T/A
Engine: 305 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
just put it back to stock for emmisions, and put it back on after. thank *** there is NO emmisions where i live, they might have a problem with no cat on it. as for a CAI, i just took a K & N cone filter and straped it straight on to the mass air. the canister and overflow droped right back in.
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From: Las Vegas
Car: 1987 Formula (original owner)
Engine: 305 TPI
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Originally posted by TheMysticWizard
I have to go to a test only for smog, they randomly chose me to go... wonderful news when I opened the renewal notice.
I have to go to a test only for smog, they randomly chose me to go... wonderful news when I opened the renewal notice.
A Test Only center does no repair work, and they can't(not supposed to) recommend a shop that does. So they have no financial interest(or kick-back) by an older car failing--unlike a smog test station that also does repair work.
So if you own an older car, which you(we) do, stations that do repair work "see you coming," so-to-speak, and some have been known to wrongly fail cars and hit people up with bills for a lot of bogus repairs just to make money.
Test Only stations are a good thing!
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