91wtROH17's

I just ordered AFR 190's, I have a ported edelbrock base plate, ported SLP runner's and plenum matched with a 52mm TB. I know LTR's are not the way to go, but I have them so I'm gonna use them for now. Should I use the zz4 cam with these heads, or go with the LT4 hot cam. I can't do any chip burning yet, so I am also looking for something somewhat friendly(and emmisions are a factor aswell) I really just want a high 12 second street car for now!! And it is a MAP sensor. Any replies will help!!

smithtc

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consider a Lingenfelter cam if you can afford it...

http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfe...24&pf%5Fid=489

camarojoe

Go with the LPE 219 cam.

91wtROH17's

Thanks guy's, but the AFR's streched my budget kinda thin!! I was hoping one of the GM cam's would work well for now. I thought the 219 was no good for the LTR setup .

86 IROC

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The ZZ4 cam will run with a stock BIN in most cases from what I have heard. The Hot cam would be a nice upgrade and should be worth a little extra HP. I'd guess about 15 more HP at peak and trade off maybe 5 TQ at peak - if I had to guess.

A fellow SE3GO member had the ZZ4 cam in his Trans am. It was: 357 cubes, TFS twisted wedge heads, approx 9.3:1 CR, siamesed stock base, stock runners & TB, summit shorties, 1.5 ratio roller rockers, Hooker cat back, 3.73's, L35 TC, bald radials and a few rear susp. parts. He ran 13.53 @ 103.77 MPH w/ a 2.057 60 foot time. Just for comparison's sake... with a quicker 60 foot my car was able to pull 13.00's with less MPH(old set up - 350 TPI, no times w/ the 383 yet) . Basically what I'm getting at - the ZZ4 cam should be good for 12's w/ the parts you have, but if you can swing buying the hot cam and the 1.6 roller rockers... do it. Bernard has since switched to a Hot cam, but has yet to get some sticky tires on it and see what it will really do.

smithtc

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The cam is an important piece. I recommend waiting until you can get the best cam possible instead of just "one for now". I think the ZZ4 cam would have less tuning issues than the Hot Cam for your application. Should be plenty of information on those cams by way of "search".

I am considering the LPE 219 for my LTR set up. If ported and matched well I think it will work fine...but LPE should be able to tell you what you should go with. The 211/219 cam would work great, but might leave a little on the table.

My $.02

91wtROH17's

Thank's for the info, I am going to call LPE and see if I can get some info from them, I may call ed wright(I think that's it) to have a chip done. The big thing is staying emissions legal, and not having to many tuning issues. Please anyone else don't be shy to throw some more info my way!!

1bad91Z

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Just get a COMP CAM XR269HR-12

I went with a little bigger cc XR276HR-12 (I love that cam!)

91wtROH17's

Hey 1bad91, I have been following alot of your post's, my car looks almost identicle to your's except for the rim's. Is the XR269HR-12 cam, the same cam Mike crew's went with?? Do you have the spec's by chance?? I was thinking of the cam that traxion went with. I have so many choices right now, I'm getting confused!! Thank's, hope to hear back.

camarojoe

It really depends on many things when picking a cam. With EFI and a 350 you want about 112LS, and with more comp. you're going to need a little more dur. than you would with less comp. to bleed of cylinder pressure and help against detonation. If you're going with AFR's or ProToplines get a single pattern cam and if you go with most other box stock heads, dual patterns usually fit their flow characteristics. The Comp XE are good cams too, that's why I just bought one. I still like the 219 for aftermarked LR setups with good heads, but the 269 cam would also work. I like 1bad91Z's cam too, but you better have bada$$ heads and some work done to the runners. Nothing is cooler than the lope a big cam like that can give you.

91wtROH17's

Thank's camarojoe, I think the 219 is the way to go for me, that is a single pattern cam correct??

1bad91Z

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If I was you, I would go with the XR269HR-12. Yes, it is the cam that Mike Crews went with. It's a good cam.

My cam is a little bigger than the 269, by have the parts and the tuning to support it.

91wtROH17's

Well then, I am down to those 2 cam's. Thank's again for all the info guy's, I am just an amature wt this stuff still!! Once this thing get's together, I will let you all know if I hit my goal of 12's.

camarojoe

THe 219 is a single pattern cam. If you go with the comp cam I'd get it custom ground on a 112LS. This will help out with a broader tq curve and a little more low end. That's why most EFI cams are ground this way and that's the way the TPIS and LPE cams are designed. And they both make badarse cams. Both cams would work fine. but I'll have my 219 for sale for $150 in the next month. I want a radical cam for my extra cubes, but the 219 is perfect in a 350 IMO.

1bad91Z

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219 cam works well under a super-ram intake. If you are going to run a standard type long runner TPI intake, then go with the cc XR269HR-12. It will make more power.

Just my $.02

Larry Dunlap

YOu can get the LPE219 cam on ebay, do a search, they have had new ones one there for a few weeks for $250, I think it is list $350, I bought one. Waiting for more money to buy heads too. My understanding is the 219 cam will not work with the stock chip, in fact it says so in the LPE literature that comes with the cam.

91wtROH17's

LPE refered me to fast prom, the guy on the phone said they are very familliar(can't spell) with the LPE cam's. I still have not decided between the 2 cam's, but I may jump to a super ram next year, so that is why I am thinking the 219 is the best cam for me.

BuckeyeROC

Go ahead and get the 219 cam. I don't think u can go wrong either way. I think the 211/219 might work better w/ LTR, but the 219 is still very mild. And if you get the SR later on, you'll LOVE the combo.

La92WS6

Dude, don't count out the TPIS cams. The ZZ409 cam is very streetable, and mildly aggressive. The ZZ9X cam is somewhat streetable but more aggressive with a good loping idle. Actually, both cams lope at idle, it just deoends on how aggressive you want to get. With those heads 1.6 rockers are a must. Obviously, a lot of guys on this board won't agree with me, but I stick with TPIS, because they designed the TPI, so who would know better on how to make it run. They will also custom burn you a prom specifically for the mods you have done to your car. Just my 2 pennies.

La92WS6

camarojoe

The TPIS cams are good, but they are kind of pricy just like the LPE cam. You can take my word for it about the 219 cam and if that's not enough then read the drag racing forum to see BuckeyeRoc's new ET's with the 219. That should pretty much make up your mind. Like I said, my 219 cam will be for sale within about 10 days. It only has about 8k miles on it too.

92RSZ

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Dude go with tpis! i just installed the 409 cam in my car and holy **** what a difference. my manifold, runners, plenum, and throttle body are all bone stock and my car will pull hard up to 5500 now. With the stock cam it died around 4500. i have a level 4 chip but i have done no other tuning and this thing will sit you back hard in the seat. I say it is well worth the extra cost for the quality you get.

mike graycar

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hey joe, you got that 219 cam for sale yet? i might be interested. i was gonna go with the hot cam- what are the specs on that 219 cam-mike

camarojoe

I've already got one guy interested that spoke up first. If he's not interested by the time the cam if ready forf sale, I'll get back with you. My engine just got pulled yesterday. I hope to have it apart within a couple weeks. It may be a while though since I'm working 40hrs/wk and my final year of college is starting on the 20th.