bort62 WTF is stuck up your ***???? i meant no flame and you want to go be some 16 year old punk abou this deal. You own a Mustang dont you? lol j/k. Yes it is obvious that you havent had or drove a 383. So who are you to comment on this post? Before you come into a post and start ****, you must know something about the post i would think.

Please be quiet before you embarass your self.

actually, its to late.

 

bob, we ARE saying that the power IS THERE, just not with the stock fuel components

read a little more carefully

 

:nono:Calm down fellas.lol Can anyone cross these injectors?17086544 i tried a few places with no luck..These are the part number from what i can tell like i said in a earlier post im a little scetchy on the first 3..THESE are the factory part number injector on my car.. So whats up with TPISs chips ?Ive always had good experience with mine as you can tell..I know there high as ****.lol luckily my car hasd one in it when i got it..so it just cost 75.00 evertime i reprogram it.Not bad i think

 

According to this post:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...light=injector

They are 24# injectors at 45psi. I dont know how accurate that information is, but thats what it says there. I am thinking they are 22 not 24, I dont know of any stock 89 350's that came with 24's.

 

Granted TQ is what will get you an ET.. BUT HP will get you that MPH!! and there is NO WAY he is getting that kinda MPH w/ those stock injectors/fuel system and TPIS chip..... period!

And as far as not driven a 383/396 .. guess not!

Rick

 

Ive only ran as fast as him. I dont know anything.

Not worthy! Not worthy!

:hail: to bobs89irocz

 

bob, i think you're the one that better stop before you embarass yourself. I have driven 383s, and you know what, it felt just like any other hi performance engine, there is no magic in the stroke.

And no amount of torque is going to get you low 11s at 120+ mph unless you are also making over 400rwhp.

And i reckon you missed us all repeatedly saying that the engine build could certainly be making the power, the issue is in the fuel supply and tune, both of which couldn't be more of a mismatch for the power.

Like i said, it's as if g<x>od touched that car. But freak things do happen all the time.

 

You guys read the post bye Madmax..That chart there says my injectors are 23.9lb injectors going by the part number on mine..Im not sure where the chart came from or how valid it is..Because i never thought GM ever put anything higher than a 22lber in the L98s..But if it is correct it would explain why they are holding Like i said i got lucky

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=101482


IMO, this is what it takes to run 121 mph. Big heads, even bigger cam, stick shift. Can anyone compare the 11secz car to 87z-ya??

 

What kind of fuel pressure you running there?

 

I think he said like 55 pounds. This equates to his injectors thinking they are 26.4 pounders. Lets say he has .45 BSFC. Which is actually really lower than he has, I would bet. I am assuming he has about 500 HP. I still get he will need 31 pound injectors. This is with a 90 percent duty cycle too. Does 100 percent duty cycle mean the injectors are always on??? Do his injectors seem feasible?

 

54-55psi

 

87z-ya's car is a STICK compared to an AUTO for 11SECZ

if you put an auto with a good torque converter in 87z-ya's car he'd probably be somewhere in the mid 10s on motor

 

Um actually with a good driver a stick shift will be will not be any slower than an auto. The shifts MAY be a little slower, but you more than make up for that in less drive train loss and slippage.

On another not this thread is getting nowhere and just getting huge, can't one of you moderators lock it and make it go bye bye.

 

Dude, I know you know MPH is HP. I think you missed the point. I am not comparing ets. I am comparing MPH. I am just comparing afr 195 heads to 227s, big big cam to just a big cam, speed pro efi to stock, etc. Which car do you think should trap better??


Rhuarc, IMO this is the most inportant thread for me in some time. Thanks

 

I've been toying with the idea of locking it since it doesn't appear to be going anywhere. At the same time, it hasn't turned mean, so if these guys want to keep going back and forth on it, thats fine, if you don't want to read it, ignore it.

I've already made my stance known, i think that yes it is possible that the combo of parts ran that slip, and also that i don't see how he's doing it with that chip and fuel system, but that doesn't make it impossible, just makes it a freak...

 

ok guys, lets straiten this **** out. I was not saying you guys dont know what your talk about, it just a couple of guys mentioned that his combo was not capable of making the power. Well the people that know about this type of combo know that its is capable of the times it ran. I am aware of this and so are most of you, I read all the post. I guess i posted something that didnt come out like i ment it. Im not saying that a 383 is some unbelivable performance engine but it does make good power. Besides you moderators are getting on my case about something i was directing to bort62 not you guys. I think you guys need to read alittle harder.

 

The fact Remains you made an inane post wich made no sense, and contributed no factual information to the thread. I don't think i was the only once to Notice that.

That being the case, I exercised the Right to Flame you For it.


There are 9 second 383's and there are 15 second 383's. The mere fact that it is a stroked 350 dosent simply make it fast. All of us responding to this post Know this, and we also know that the magority of the combo could support these power levels, but there was a BIG element missing... Fuel.

Its all bust without a little organic compound we like to call Gasoline, my friend.

Thats what the last 55 posts have been about. You apparantly missed that little development and jumped in about 2 days too late with your know it all attitude.

You put yourself in the fire, and as a result got burned. Think (and read) twice next time.

 

Yeah I know, so my question still stands.

 

What question??

 

I think TPIS is pulling a ARE on us and throwing us for a loop

Claiming 22# injectors when in reality they are 30#'s


Make their setups seem Way more wonderful than they really are, haha.

 

If those are realy 23.9 injectors on his car, then it is very possible to run those times. I friend of mine with a 95z ran 11.2x at 121.x with the stock injectors (he did have an inline pump though) on a heads and cam package on a stock short block. I have also seen a 396 lt1 run 125.xmph on stock injectors. I have run 118 mph on 24 lb. lt1 injectors with 190 afr heads, zz409 cam, all the other boltons, and a miniram on a stock short block. And I know I had room for improvement. And this was with a tpis chip. I have another stock short block in there now running 114 mph in warm weather with a tinny cam. I will be running 120+ next fall with a bigger cam, dfi, weight reduction, better cia, and better exaust. Believe it or not it will happen(if every thing holds together by then ).

 

I think that may be the Key.

That, and his fuel pump is on borrowed time

 

I call BS. I base this call upon the Aforementioned BSFC of the car. I'm just saying the 22lb'ers can't do the work it takes to push your car through the quarter ... literally. Not even at 100% duty cycle. We are even assuming negligible drivetrain power loss by calculating HP to the rear wheels by MPH. In actuality, you probably are seeing 20% power loss through the drivetrain which means 20% more fuel consumption than what is acually being accounted for ... it is for this reason, and so many more, that I give to you this pictorial gift:

 

Its possible TPIS messed with those injectors and they are just residing in 22# housings. Not likely by any means, but you never know...

 

sorry for the big pic..im learning here..lol here is a pic of the motor as i was installing it..showing the stock injectors..trust me Tpis did not mess with injectors..They would have billed me for it as they did EVERYTHING else.lol

 

Very interesting post. 11 sec91Z has some hard to believe times.. But I like the way he is addressing all the questions shot at him. Hey 11 sec, if you are going to the OC cruise in Ocean City in May 18th-20th, let us know. This way I could see first hand the mods on your car. A bunch of us will be down there that weekend. 96 mph in the 1/8 , not bad.

Kevin

 

are these times with a 700r4 and stock 10 bolt? im running 12.4@110 and im worried my 10 bolts gonna go its been rebuilt with us gears and alburn

 

Superammed:Yes i still use a 700R4 but its far from stock..Yes i still use the 10bolt rear with 3.73 gears..Every time i run i look up and say a prayer.lol...I have the gear set up to the ring and pinion quite deep..meaning the ring goes deep into the pinion..Its loud as hell but that way you more gear on gear contact..thus making it a little stonger.. Its an issue i really need to adress soon..real soon.lol

Kevin G:I dont have any plans on goin to that particular OC cruise. but i do definately plan on going to Maryland International Raceway alot more this year.Maybe we can meet there..I welcome anyone to check my car from head to toe to see my combo..I will be running it tonite(friday)here in Richmond,Va..The weather is supposed to be good..Id like to improve on those 11.20s ..Ill let you guys know what happens..Take care

 

Kevin, ill be there that weekend...so will a few other thirdgen people i know. email me a pic of all of your cars so i can keep an eye out for ya

 

there is SOME truth to this fact but if you can find someone who can push in the clutch, shift the gear, and sidestep the clutch upon removal in ANYWHERE near the time an auto shifts (instantly with a proper trans) you my friend has met Jesus' second coming

The other thing that some of you dont realize is that 87Z-yas car still has tuning issues and doesn't launch the car hard because of the stock 10 bolt

if you go look at his slips the 60' foots are are in the 1.80-1.9X range. You give him a 60' foot in the 1.60 range as 11SEC's car he'd be going 10s with a stick.

Another note is that he has the FAST system yes and still has tuning to do it.....his car is going to get much faster

Lastly what the MAIN thing some of you have to realize is HP UNDER THE CURVE. Its not really how much hp you make, but how much you make under your curve going down the 1/4

i know of an LS1 car that dynoed like 38X or 39X rwhp and it went 10.80s

 

I thought I would just mention that you'd be surprised how fast you can go with a stock suspension.

Put some drag shocks with stock everything else and you can go 10's with slicks any day of the week as long as you're making the power.

The "slack" I guess you could call it in his stock suspension is probably what's saving his 10 bolt.

 

hey 11sec
very nice car and nice numbers too! Just curious did you ever weigh the car with or without you in it.

 

Well, call me stubborn, but I still can't swallow the fuel system. Better get some Spicey Garlic sauce from BW3s for me .

And one would think you would snap that tailshaft housing off the trans with that kind of traction..... At least that is what everyone used to tell me would happen with the stock piece.

 

nonsense.........look at all the LS1s using a 4l60E (electric 700) and pulling mad 60 foots.

 

Yeah, I would think the ring & pinion are in big trouble tho.

The rest of the suspension should be allright...


"allright"




can't really argue w/ a 1.5 60'


I think this guy is legit, I just think his combo is either not what he thinks it is, or he just happend to get a fuel system built on a tuesday.

 

11SEC. you have the borg worner rear end or the 10 bolt? i know the borg worner rear end is strong but i forgot to even think if the rear end would hold up to those 60 ft times.

 

LS1 cars have run quicker and shorter 60's than that on stock rears. They don't live forever necessarily, but the can hold up pretty well behind a foot braked automatic, especially if you are otherwise nice to it.

 

BOBS89:10 bolt rear is what i have..Like Ed said, they last for a bit if your gentle on them

 

yeah, i read that now. I missed you post you had up there. Good luck with the 10 bolt holding up.

 

I can't stand this anymore. You guys are bashing him because he's running good et's and mph. WTF is that?

Some of you guys obviously haven't 'been around long'.

I have a friend who went 11.70 @ 115 with an 84 Z28, 350, 250-260 roller cam, stock bowtie heads, 1 5/8 headers, stock mechanical fuel pump, stock T-5, and a 12-bolt. He just had his combination right, that's all that matters. He used to drop the clutch at 5 grand on slicks, and the T-5 hasn't died or been apart yet. Sometimes you get good parts, sometimes you don't.

At that same track I've also seen an 88 Trans am with 400, twin turbos, custom injection system, t-400, ford 9-inch, and a rollcage run 13.00 @ 110. This was probably back in 1988-89. I talked to the guy at the track and he said he spent 12 grand on the whole setup. Sometimes you get it right, sometimes you don't.

What about the IROC in the old issue of high tech performance that went 11.40 @ 116 with the CC306 cam, ported Trick flows, and superram?

Getting the combination right is all that matters, some people do it with aftermarket expensive parts, and some get lucky and don't.

Congrats on the good runnin Z.

 

Dude, dont make the mistake i did and skip a couple of posts. READ all of the post. Now one is bashing anyone, i accidently miss worded some **** and that was the only flame in this post. Go go read ALL the post not jus the first couple ones.

 

ok guys ran my car again tonite: She ran pretty good..Idid not get a new best et..But fellas check out this MPH






Good air tonite..best 60FT was 1.59?But boy she was running at the other end..lol..what you guys think..10sec mph?

 

Here is another pass..



as you can it liked the weather..it wasnt 60fting as hard though..might have been the track

bye the way guys i do appeciate your inputs...

 

Unreal. Jesus, is that you?

 

I cant believe you havent trashed your rear end. Is it making any noises?? lol

Good times.

 

11sec91z,

You times are veru impressive. I have a 85 vette 383,ZF6 speed,4.10's to help launch .
I have a hard time beliveing some times but weather,area, and conditinos play a big part.
My cars weighs in at 3200 and 3410 with myself included. I was running the famous 219 cam with ported edlebrooks (intake vol 185 cc and max flow 248. Good midlift numbers also.
I ran best 11.6X's.
I since then converted to a solid roller(248/248) and ported AFR 210 heads.
best times have been 11.32 @123-124 with a 1.58 60 foot. If I had a spinning 1.75 60' I would net a 11.7 ET
I run a stock susp . I do run ET streets and skinnies.

Its just the perfect combos out there . I have a bud up in NJ that runs 11.7's with his 85 stock short block 350,219 cam,AFR190 heads,and the Super ram.

I have some vids on my site launching my ZF. Most of hte vids are from 1-2 years ago with the 219 setup and my first solid roller 236/242.

http://bowtye8.tzo.com
http://bowtye8.tzo.com/hovmovies/racin


Dennis

 

11sec91z.....your motor is on crack. those are some radical times. I dont know how you managed to pull such a low time on those injectors. Hopefully i get lucky with my upcoming setup like you did...til then.

 

A few hundred posts and registered for over a year and a half and you don't know better than to ressurect 6 month old posts for no good reason?

Sorry, it's not just you, i'm not trying to single you out, but lately there have been a few people (and not just on this board) doing this dumb **** where they find an ancient post and then respond to it just to say something inane like "wow nice numbers, i hope i can come close to that"

Please folks, if you don't have something constructive to add to a big old post, please don't bump it for the sake of it. The only exception to this would be if you found some really useful information in an old post, but it took you a long time to find because it didn't have good keywords in it. Like i once bumped an old post on o-ring part numbers just to add a couple sentences with better search terms because it took me 2 hours to find it, and i knew exactly what post i was looking for to boot.

 

All I want to know is what size offset are you running on those rims? We have about the same combo. I have been milling that ZZX around for months. I just orderd it though. I figure my current combo will go 119-120 with some traction. Try running that thing on street tires and post the results. I want to see where I stand.