camaro03

i was driving down the road with a friend when i look in a mirror and see a type r behind me so i think i can take him, he starts to come around me, i drop it down to second (doing 50) and punch it he gains on me i look down again and my speedo is buried, and he is already by me, then his buddy in a civic starts over in the other lane, keeping up with me and just inches on me, when i say, ah it isnt worth a ticket and let off, i saw what driveway they pulled in and stopped to talk to them, they both had vtechs, with 5 speeds, and they both had exhaust and intake mods, i think i would of ran side by side with the civic, but the type r killed me, i have a 82, 305, mild cam, 10-1 comp, summit polished manifold, 500cfm 4 v a 48000 volt coil, 8mm wires, and 3" catback no cat, th 350, and 2.73 gears. my car is no slouch it will run mid to high 14's, how in the hell are these 4 cyls running that good, what could i do to my car to take them? thanks

Mark A Shields

Get some headers I didn't see that in your mods, first. Then get some 3:42s and a higher stall TC and you'll be in the high 13s most likely.

camaro03

i was thinking of a flex fan then a ignition module, then headers, right now i have a 1800 stall, i have a 350 in the garage, but i need to get it align bored and stuff, and it would have the top stuff from the 305 and 9-3.1 comp, and 202 heads, would that give me anything over what i have? thanks

HrdRockA4305

"how in the hell are these 4 cyls running that good"

They have the advantage of being about 20 years ahead of us in technology.

Nic

Power to weight and also it's all a matter of who's in their powerband.

Also, screw the flex fan...just fab up an electric fan setup from the junk yard. It's cheaper and frees up more horsepower.

CobraKiller

ya forget the flex fan it's not worth the money. My friend got an electric fan out of a buick for his turbo 740 volvo and it definitly freed up some ponies for him. And cost him $15..gotta love it

Mark A Shields

I can't believe you got all those mods without headers, get those first, that will really wake up the car. What's the powerband on your cam, cause shifting into 2nd might have pushed you out of your powerband.

OH, and how do you like the Summit Polished Intake, I got it for XMAS and was going to put it on when I do a cam swap but I think my brother's going to buy it, I really want the Performer EPS.

Tom84L69

don't put 350 heads on your car, they likely have 64cc or 76cc combustion chambers and you will lose a bunch of compression. Put a 3.73 gear in there too, and as said, headers and y pipe.

CobraKiller

ya putting intake mods like that on a car and leaving stock manifolds is like trying to run a marathon breathing through a drinking straw.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

They probably had N2O. I would think you would have beat those cars. You should have raced from a stop. And you need gears.

firebird305

I agree with everybody else,Headers would help alot,And do you have any head work done?

12 Sec GTA

I've never been beat by a civic.

camaro03

i wasnt going to put 350 heads on it, i have a 350 i can do that with, yeah electric fan sounds good, but headers are like 300 dollars, that i dont have everything else was like 100 to 200 dollars at a time thats why i do want to get some though, i like the summit cm it performs good it likes the high rpms, the powerband of the cam is idle to 5500 and same with the center manifold, i was way out of my powerband when they climbed on me, my tach was disconnected so i didnt want to overrev it in 1st, i do want steeper gears but i only get 13 mpg now. how do i know if t he electric fan will give me eenough air flow? what about a 750 cfm and headers how much could i expect from that?
thanks

TBurke

If you can get your hands on a used TH700R4. It has a steeper 1st to get you out of the hole and overdrive for good gas mileage. If you have a 350 drop it in. A 350 is a much better engine. It should put you in front of those imports.

TBurke

Electric fans will cool you down no problem. Just look at all those LT-1 and LS-1 cars with 300+ horsepower.

myh0

put in that 350 and get a super ram on, headers , 3.43 gears and yuor set

Mark A Shields

A 750cfm is a bit much for a 305 don't you think.

CobraKiller

750cfm is better suited for a worked 302 or 350 chevy. I'd stick with a 650cfm or 700cfm. And why exactly are you building up a 305 when you've got a 350 sitting around?

wataru

You could always go the cheep route right now and get yourself a pair of Flowtech or Headdmen headders. They're right around the $200 mark.

unknown_host

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i really doubt it was a type r, i think you got sprayed on unless you have major car problems. first things first get gears for sure.

tpivette89

a type R with intake and exhaust mods would be in the mid-high 14 sec range. if you are running those numbers as well, he shouldnt have killed you. i have to agree with everyone else, you probably went up against one with "naas"

rsxtcy

first of all there is nothing wrong with vtec's. second, i think the type r really would walk you because you have a 305. now the civic is a different story. you should have had a look under its hood.

5.0mustang

I think you got sprayed, I saw a new lightning take an s2000 at very high speeds. And if a brick on wheels can take Hondas best, you should take a Civic.

unknown_host

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heh did you even read about his 305? sure an lg4 woulda gotten walked by a high 14 second civic but this is a decently built 305, 10.5:1 compression and a buncha other goodies, i still say they are not n/a. i love how the "type R's" are the gods of the import community, yet every import in my city has type R badging

camaro03

its definatly a type r i dont go the 350 route because i already did and it cost me a months time, no oil pressure when it got hot, now i would have to have the crank align bored and new bearings, plus alot of work, when i had it in, my 305 would of ran right beside it. the only thing i had done to my heads was that they were shaved. i got a multiple spark discharge module from msd from my neighbor, now i have to figure out how to install it, no instructions. any help there? i think with that, headers, and a electric fan ill be fine, the only reason they beat me so bad was because i was n second out of my powerband when they got beside me (i dont shift to 3rd till 95) the civic wouldnt of ran with me if i wouldnt of let off, but 100+ in a 55 would of been a hefty ticket. if it would of been from the line me and the type r would of been a race, he was fu**ing fast, ive raced vettes before, and he made them look bad. when i stopped to talk to them i saw the type r s engine no nos, they wouldnt show me the civics engine, they said "they just bought a 50 hp shot but didnt install it yet". thanksoh yeah and why does everyone dis the 305 its a good running motor, especially when built,

89 rs305

A new lightning has 385hp, so i wouldn't exactly call it a brick on wheels. I agree that you need to do the exaust and electric fan to get a good power increase without going into the motor.

86BIRD-MY FIRST CAR

Of course he could have turbo, most of them do now...rich little bastards

camaro03

in response to cobrakiller, i havea high voltage coil and high compression so my 305 can handle it, i put the one from my dads boat on it, i noticed significant gains in top end, but it lagged a little on bottom end because it had a vaccume leak, i gave it back the same day for the boat.

RMK

Simple, you need to stick some TYPE-R stickers to your car. I have about 8 of them and gained about 7 tenths in the quarter.

Rob

ChillPhatCat

It's still a brick on wheels, they are fast... but he called it a brick because it's pretty heavy compared to a sports car and it's a truck... which is basically brick shaped. Hp has nothing to do with weight or aerodynamics.

I would recommend getting a civic leash so they don't go running off like that in the future... G o d knows there's enough of 'em on the loose... don't need them breading! ROFL

BTW you musta got sprayed on

Oh yeah, when you say Type R, you're referring to an Integra right? 'cause they didn't import any other type R's (not left drivers at least)

Crazy Firebird Kid

This coming from the same guy who said a Honda Civic DX had potential. :lala: :lala:

camaro03

yes itwas an integra

rsxtcy

i never said the civic dx had potential. where did you get that from? and in your opinion, what is wrong with them crazy firebird?

heavy_chevy29

i'll tell you what man, i had to drive my sisters car to school today and man does that thing have *****. she has the 2001 acura integra GSR (V-TEC). that car would definatly take my car. when you get those things get around 6-7 grand (rpm) they fly. her car is mostly stock. all i did was put an intake on it. i have the best of both worlds. i can take the camaro when i feel the need for American muscle or i can take the integra when i feel the nice to be ricy(being how i do all the work on it for her).

rsxtcy

well when you hit around 5800, VTEC kicks in. so that is why it would fly. i love it when i hit VTEC, the way the engine screams and you get a boost of speed. and the gsr only has 170 hp, just think about the type s with 30 more

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I like it when TQ kicks in. Especially low RPM.

Crazy Firebird Kid

Truely sorry dude, I'm a dumbass and was thinking of somebody else from another post. Why don't I like Vtecs? Becuase for one thing every ***** that owns one thinks he has some kind of super race engine. To me they are limited by the simple fact that they are four cylinders. Yes, it is true that you can mod them up and you can make a car pretty damn fast with them, but it is also true that the same mods on an LS1(I say an LS1 because I am comparing current technology with current technology, but I believe you could use almost any decent 350 in this statment) would still equal more hp/tq. I am a fan of 6 and 8 cylinder engines, becuase it seems to me they just have more potential.

RMK

I'm with you. VTEC (Verrified, The Engines Crap) Sucks ***.

Where's your VTEC now??

89 rs305

Now THAT'S a rice "burner" lol!!!!!!!

rsxtcy

i am sorry dude, but just the way the pixels are colored, i smell a photoshop. btw, its verified.

RMK

rsxtcy

lol, looks like i am the *** of that joke... oh well, i am on here for humor.

RMK

Couldn't resist it. :sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol:

rsxtcy

i figured.... its all good though i still have not heard one valid negative remark about VTEC.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

LOL @ that.

What do you want us to say about VTEC?? We don't need it, we have ci. and TQ. VTEC doesn't make a great enough difference to beat a V8, and I don't mean the low performance 1's that were meant for emmisions and got held back by economy in the later 70's and early 80's.

rsxtcy

and why exactly are you comparing a 4 cylinder to a v8? they are in two different classes. now what would happen if they made a 4 cylinder camaro or firebird? i didn't want you to say anything about VTEC, my comment was directed to RMK.

Crazy Firebird Kid

For those of you who haven't seen it
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...threadid=89752

:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: V8 :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

LOL CFK

You said, "i still have not heard one valid negative remark about VTEC." It wasn't directed to any1 so I can/will comment on it. There was a 4 cyl. available in the F-Body 82-85 and back then it was making 92HP@4000 and 134TQ@2800. Pontiac modded 1 and got it to run 13.2 with a top speed of 150MPH, N/A.

camaro03

i found a burnt plug wire, fixed it, and got my tach hooked back up, im gonna be looking for him, oh and i got the msd 6a to hook up, that will give me an edge, i hate 4 cyl and 6 cyl, i love my v8 i just dont see how that car can go that fast

camaro03

i hear all you guys bragging about ls1s and i have to show you this, the other car we have is a 1990 thunder bird sc with a v6, in these 2 videos from sccoa you see the sc beating a c5 and a z 28 i just wanted to show you the capabilities of a v6 car that weighs 4000 lbs, these movies are at sccoa.com then click on multimedia and check them out