86camarodriver

This is scary look at the dyno numbers at the end..... and its not s sticker car it looks almost stock.
David
oops its a video and I can not put it on here and cant delet this post the numbers where:

874rwhp and 796ft lbs

the funny thing is is that the car was spining the tires on the dyno on this run!!!!!!!!!!!!
The car is red and has no stickers, it looks stock accept for the 16 inch wheels and exhaust.

mss

supras are amazing machines , very easy to make fast , a bpu++ supra will give a z06 a run for its money

86camarodriver

Yea I dont consider supras rice.... I am scared of them lol... I have seen them putting out 1000 horse and foot pounds and beating twin turbo vipers :hail:
David

Nic

Supras are definitely an import to respect. There's one around here putting 840 to the wheels

CobraKiller

I think I've seen that video.. At the end of the run the supra almost comes off of the dyno. That would have been scary if it did. But a supra TT is far from being a rice mobile. It's an import to respect.

shrp1

The problem with them is , they dont do so well from a dead stop on the street, we have a big HP one here but he wont race anything but from a roll.

If you can race good on the street,ie... launch hard no spin, then you might take one anyway.

Stormshadow GTA

I've seen that video.It's crazy the car was sliding sideways the whole dyno run,the exhaust sounds crazy.I have downloadeda couple street racing vidoes with supras.On one of them a supra smokes a supercharged 5.0 by an insane amount of car lenghts

Bluntman

No ****, that is spot on. How many times have you seen a supra timeslip that goes something like this.
11.95@137
Supra's are WORTHLESS at the dragstrip, but from a roll...thats a different story.

cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

It probably all has to do with their independent rear suspension. I dont think it is as good for drag racing as it is for cornering and stuff like that. they bounce all over the place once you put some power to them

mss

most of it is turbo lag , but once it starts making some serious boost , its unstoppable

Tom91Bird

iTrader: (5)

From what I understand, Toyota pretty much took car of the of the turbo lag problem with their last generation. That was the whole point of TWIN (so to speak) sequential turbos. Easy to do with an inline 6. Both turbos aren't the same size. The smaller one was designed to make boost from idle to 2500 revs and then the Big Brother turbo crashes the party, making full boost at 4500-5000 revs. Plus, their stock internals were good for 650hp.

Kingtal0n

The dude who manages horsepower sales has built himself a Turbo Talon with a T3/T4 hybrid turbo made to his specs, the thing runs low 10's with tirespin... Its scary being in the car. His powerband begins around 4500 RPMS to 7500 RPMS, but the turbo spools at around 1800 RPMS (Little to NO turbo lag) with just 1 single big turbo those cars do better than with the twin setup I am told. at first he takes off from a stop and its like any other car, but then less than a second passes and suddenly the turbo spools and starts whistling and you are snatched back in your seat and I blacked out the first time, the front end starts hopping around when he shifts and the damn car vibrates and the turbo makes a loud noise, its a freaking death trap if you ask me. but it handles REMARKABLY well, he takes turns 90* at no less than 65 MPH with me in it, just cruising, and man is it fast. he is leaving soon and im trying to get pics of the car before he goes. one insane ride.. as for taking him on the street, good luck, Yeah, your V8 pulling power may take him the first 7-10 feet, but no less than a second later you hear "sssssSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH" and he passes you like your standing still. I dont mind getting beat, but that was ridiculous.

IROCME

That is the only import I would want to own:hail: supras

Nic

Anything with a turbo is cool My friend has a daily driven twin turbo Mustang making over 500 hp and close to 600 ft lb's of torque and that thing is scary fast and insanely quiet.

Most of the guys running fast in the Supras are running one big single turbo instead of the twin turbo's.

hot87ta

For the money a Supra is a joke . A new Z28 SS will go high 12s. 11s on NOS. Real mem drive v8s.

RyanSS

Umm, whatever dude. I love V8's, but Supra's are just badass! Ok, a new SS will run high 12's with a professional driver and slicks. For a normal guy I would say low 13's. Supra's have the potential to run 9's steet driven. I'd like to see a new SS do that. For the price of a new SS, you can get a used(they don't make 'em anymore) Supra that already has mods. I'm not saying that SS's don't have potential, but I mean c'mon. You gotta give credit where credit is due.

The post on Viperclub.org where Henessy's TT V10 Viper, is beaten by a street driven Supra just goes to show the potential of Supras.

Mark A Shields

Right now I'm downloading the 874HP Supra Dyno, a 1000hp Supra, not sure if they're supposed to be the same. Also a Supercharged Camaro dyno and a Trans Am (that blows up on the dyno) according to the description. I'll post urls, once I can upload them to tripod or I can IM them to you thru AOL, my screename is buffshields350.

Mark A Shields

Here's the supra, I uploaded it for everyone about 3mb. I am also downloading another 1000HP Supra, I'll post it later.

I'm getting some more as well, I make other posts.
70 Chevell Wheelie
TA on dyno blows up
800hp Lexus

Mark A Shields

Here's the supra, I uploaded it for everyone about 3mb. I am also downloading another 1000HP Supra, I'll post it later. You have to cut and paste the url, clicking on it doesn't work.
http://buffshields.tripod.com/mpg

I'm getting some more as well, I make other posts.
70 Chevell Wheelie
TA on dyno blows up
800hp Lexus

HrdRockA4305

That clip had been floating around on SCOUR back when it was up, its all over morpheus now. Had it about 6 months at least.
Supra = :hail:
I've wanted one of those since my JR year of high school, I'm a college sophmore now. Back then I'd never even heard of Ricers!
But those things handle very well and have a LOT of HP potential. Too bad their sales in the US dropped so bad and they quit importing them. I think mitsubishi killed the 3000GT for US market too, or at least I haven't seen any info on them lately. Is the RX7 gone too? All of the GOOD Asian sports cars seem to be dissapearing. Interestingly though, I was at the chicago auto show yesterday and outside of the new civilian hummer and a GMC concept truck, most the concepts were looking in the direction of long hooded hatchback roadsters. I wonder if in a year or 2 the SUV craze will be on the way out.

Wow talk about drifting off topic! My computers been down so I haven't posted in a few days

hot87ta

Like i said, 12.97,no slicks and this was done by a ford magazime mmff. US cars rule , This is a GM wesite forget about the jap crap .

rx7speed

yep forget the jap crap

forget about the stock rx7 that in 93 was pulling .99 on the skidpad and high 67.x on the slalom
ran a 13.8 on the stock twins and pulled a 0-60 in around 4.7-5.2
minor mods and you can pull 12.x with those cars, that is on par with your Z06 for in handling and can be easily made on par in the 1/4.this is for a car that is quite a few years older and can be had for only 12 or so now and maybe cost 35k new
and yes they took these away in 95 to answer another guys question. one last thing. the motor is only 80 cubic inches. I would like to see someone take a metro with that motor or make something of that size and try to push that car that fast.

the supra that has a stock bottom end that is able to take over 600hp. easy as hell to mod being turbo, I have seen quite a few 800+hp supra cars out there on remember this is on a what 3.0L car

the honda S2000
yes it is a pita to launch but guess what guys a 4 banger that is pulling mid to low 14 second runs and a 0-60 in around 5.5 seconds

the eclipse,3000GT VR-4 both can be bad *** with some minor mods. I have seen a guy go out and buy something from a hardware store that will fool the wastegate so it will allow more boost go through for a few bucks. how much horse did that add? quite a bit.

another jap fact
Le Mans.
mazda and there 787 was able to wipe out all the competition in there little N/A car pulling a whole 2.6L of displacement and guess what this thing was pulling out over 700hp.

there are quite a few cars out there made by the jap's that pull great times.
over at our rx-7 forum there are quite a few guys pulling low 10 second 1/4 mile times.
a few I think have hit the 9's and this is on a street car.

my own car stock N/A I was able to pull a low 16 high 15 second run.
put some mods on the car. you know like header,intake filter, ported intake, just basic stuff like that I was able to pull a high 14

so what you say that is slow. only paid 2200 for the car
maybe put another 300 worth in mods to the car


then I decided I would do some upgrading and guess what I did. pulled a 12.5 (granted was a g-tech but for time they are fairly close) and that is with street tires, bad launch (I was not used to the turbo powerband at all). with a little bit more tweaking and getting all the bugs out I prolly could have hit low 12 high 11.

another guy from around here with a motor that was HALF GONE (one rotor was only pulling 60 compression all the way around)ran a 13.8. I am sure I can even find the vid of that one if you want

remember not all of us dive around in a little riced up kia and think we are bad ***.
there are quite a few jap cars that are good, as there are quite a few domestic cars that are good
just all comes down to preference

Nic

There's no doubting that the LS1's are amazing engines, but how many LS1 powered cars do you know that can cruise to the track with the A/C blowing, stereo jamming, with leather seats and OEM ride quality, click off some 9 second quarter mile times, then drive back the same way it was driven to the track?

bowtieguy01

All of yall have not seen the begining of the video.
First of all the video is 64 mins long.
This place out of cali decided to make a video about how to make your supra fast.
It costs like 29.99 at some web site. They changed out everything! It wasnt even the stock block. And second the supra is breathin through a bottle. And it's a ridiculous shot. All that fog you see coming out of the pipe is unburned nitrous.
the total tag was some 60.000 dollars in mods.
that is hardly cheap
Stock for Stock
Chevy will hand their a$s to them.

One of my friends own a tt supra.
It is quick horrible lag
took it to the track at ennis.

13.77@105

went to a import tuner shop in the area called Jotech.

bought a turbo timer, a waste gate, adj boost regulator, and a down pipe.

went back to ennis

cracked the down pipe(dont have a clue how)

14.03@99

Fixed the down pipe

went down their the following weekend

13.00@109

Keep in mind that these times are the best times of that night.

He spent well over a grand at jotech.

and he's an average driver. So a great driver would probably take another couple of tenths.

I dont know where yall are getting these times w/ such little money invested

later
bowtieguy01

85_ZED28

i hate all imports, where were they in the 60's and 70's?

at least our american cars have some history!

RyanSS

Most of the really fast Supras are running a large single turbo.

As I said earlier, I love american cars, too, it's just that there are some badass cars that aren't made in America.

Any street driven car that can rip off 9 sec quater mile times deserves respect in my book.

86camarodriver

I went to the track today and a guy brought a supra on a trailor and off the lines he sucked but he had NOS and after the 60 foot he did good, he was runing like a high 13 low 14. Then saw a 2000 C5 blow his clutch, saw a 11 second car have the line lock kick in hanlf way down the track, then saw a crotch rocket run low 10's
David

rx7speed

do the work yourself and know where to buy the parts at. and you also need to know the right mods to get.
I only paid about 4000 total for my mods at most I am thinking
that includes the motor/turbo and all. car could have hit 11's if I upped the boost a little and had a good driver with the right tranny(the N/A tranny would drop the boost on the shifts a little bit) as well as getting all the bugs fixed out.

I know the motor could have ran faster then it did but I was a crappy driver b/c I was not used to the car so I was only able to pick off a best of 12.5 on the g-tech

turbo cars are cheap to modify
again it is all your preference

and just b/c you might not like the car doesn't mean it sux

5.0mustang

True, those turboes are great.

Recently I read an article about a Mustang, I have to bring the Stang in, with a single turbo and a built 336 Stroker. It had a Precision TE90 turbo running 21 pounds of boost. The car went on a mandetory 30 mile cruise, and was untouched between rounds.

After the racing was over he had averaged an 8.99 ET on DOT tires. It also said the car had gone 8.30s before at 167 and was fully street legal.

After reading this I realized that I was impressed by the 1000+ horsepower Twin Turbo 351 Saleen, but this car blew it away and only had a single turbo and less cubes. I would stick to a single turbo and I think I could get over the lag.

Sure it's 75,000, but compared to a Viper it's a bargain and a half.

Nic

Willie Figeuroa went 7's on a single turbo 306 back in 2000.

5.0mustang

Another thing I forgot to add was that his car is a sleeper. Only body mod is a 1.5" cowl hood, otherwise all stock panels. The parachute probably comes off, and the rims may give it away, but all else is stock.

Anyone who lives in Ohio should watch out for it, it's black and in MINT condition.

Hey Nic is that 7s in legal trim or what???

86camarodriver

How about this for a sleeper, 69 camaro with a cowl hood and big slicks and a 396 stroker and a 150 shot of NOS but no markings for any of that, yea it has a lumpy cam but it is not that noticable. He ran solid low elevens all day. Then his buddy hit a high 8 but he also had a big block and more money into the car A LOT MORE MONEY, then there where two third gen camaros runing low 12's high elevens but all of these cars are trailor queens. We estimated that the parking lot had a million dollars in cars alone, thatsnot including the trailors and what not.

shrp1

Yea and Lawrence Conley went 7's in a SINGLE turbo V6 back in 1994!!!!!!!!!!! and it weighed over 3000#'s. not streetable you might say?? cruised the Woodward dream cruise that year!!!!

RMK

I haven't seen the video of that supra but the description and figures make it sound like Bryces car. That was the car that ran against John "Enron" Hennesseys 800TT Venom and won. That was back in the days when the viper was only running 6psi of boost. It would be a different story now with it upped to 12psi, 75 shot and the 1187rwhp dyno sheet.

Love the car...hate the crook that built it.

Robert

HrdRockA4305

"As I said earlier, I love american cars, too, it's just that there are some badass cars that aren't made in America.

Any street driven car that can rip off 9 sec quater mile times deserves respect in my book"

Yeah thats what I've been trying to get people to understand since I joined the board almost a year ago.

Rockhound

is that the guy that owns Conley's Performance Plus which is in Humble,TX where i live. Ive seen that car b4 when i was up there askin bout parts, and i also saw the twin turbo camaro

ChevyLuva3

Forget the Supra.. ya guys are scaring me! I don't like supras at all, they look so BLAH to me, nothing special. And they are hardly fast, but supposedly ''modded'' they are. Yeah whatever, ya mean with their turbos? Ofcourse any car is fast with turbo (and if its not then ur fvcked). My friends for some reason like Supras they think its so "hot", and I just say it sucks, I'd rather take the new 2002 SS over it anyday! And they even like that orange one in Fast N Furious . And one thing they always forget (and they even say it in the movie) that 10-15,000 is put into those craps. Ever see that issue of Hot Rodding magazine, with that old Corvette with Twin Turbos, that thing pulls 1300 HP, so much for that *****'s 800 or so HP. I will never admit a Turbocharged car is fast until, A) it takes off it's turbos and wins, or B) us (the americans) put turbos on! and they still win.

Ya know I personally think if it wasn't for aftermarket stuff, imports would have no place here in America. And I also think that people are too rich here, and they always think more money equals better quality. But they seem to forget that a car just by it being an IMPORT makes it expensive, not because it's a good car. And by that mentality they think American cars are crap, cuz they cost less... NO they cost less cuz they were made on the land you stand on. The only import I would ever buy would be based on Luxury like the new 2003 Mercedes-Benz SL500, that is one nice car, it even has a 5.0 V8! Can't wait to put a nice exhaust on that... so I'd have the only burbly exhaust note Mercedes around, awesome! And of course my Camaro would be sitting right next to! But I would not even consider an import for speed... never. Unless its like a Ferrari, Lamborgini, Porshe, but thats a different story.

86camarodriver

This was the supra that almost went off the dyno and it had texas plates.
David

CrazyHawaiian

Well I give supras mad respect. Its well known they can handle 900+ rwhp on the stock block. I have to admit they are some of the fastest imports in America but in Japan there are alot of cars with the same level of potential. The main purpose of my project Camaro I'm planning is to race highly modified supras. I want to show them a turbocharged LS1 can defeat the turbo 6 with more torque earlier in the powerband. When I'm done with the car I'm going to ship it to california and setup some races. I'm going to try get magazine coverage.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I gotta agree with some of the things stated by CLuva about factory cars with T/C's and S/C's, and imports in particular.

ZZ42Fast

iTrader: (2)

I will never admit a Turbocharged car is fast until, A) it takes off it's turbos and wins, or B) us (the americans) put turbos on! and they still win.

Man ignorance is bliss... That is just such a small minded view, I'm embarrased for you.

Z28ricer

iTrader: (2)

Supras are great cars 93 up yes, mid 13's stock, I was seriously considering buying one after my wonderful wreck in the 94' 6 speed Z I had, went and looked at a few, sure its cheap to get them to around 470 HP, few lil boltons, but after that you better be a rich ****, intercooler for $1400 ? Upgraded turbo setup $6000 ? clutch $2k ? c'mon, i'll play with my 3rd gen, specially after comparing the insurance to my 94' Z full covg on both cars the supra was near 2x the price to insure, forget that !

5.0mustang

I'll give Supras respect also. As for those who say take off the turbo and race, I don't think a Grand National without a Turbo is anything more than a fuel injected regal. I think Turbocharging is just another way to make power, same goes for Nitrous, and Superchargers. Just because a company uses a turbo doesn't make it cheeting.

rx7speed

all I have to say about that one is either way you add displacement, you add power. you add a turbo you add power.
by us running a turbo doesn't make things any different then you guys running more often then not 2-3 times the displacement that our cars have. (hell your 305 has almost 4 times the displacement that my motor has).
and the supra pushing a13.8 in the 1/4 I wouldn't call slow.

als how about this for you last comment about admiting who is fast. since I dont have pistons in my car how about you take them out of yours and we will race and see who wins
heck I would even let you hook a turbo or N2O up if you want to do that.
then if you beat me I would say your fast




and where would the domestic cars being fast be without a aftermarket?
also a lot of imports can be bought for stuff OTHER then drag racing. remember that is not the only type of racing out there.
a lot of imports are made to take the turns, and some can be had for quite cheap.

I paid 2200 for my car. would I trust it more then I did any american car I owned. YES . would I trust my celica more then any american car I owned for reliablity also againYES
I paid something like 100 bucks for that celica
it had 248k miles on it before it threw a rod. only reason it did is b/c it had an oil leak and the oil level got to low
I was pulling 150psi on ALL cyl with that car. still was able to chirp the tires going into second gear. yes it was slow as hell but I would say the build quality on it was a lot higher then a lot other car would go in terms of reliabity
my rx7 is pulling 171k on it. I know if I left things the way they were I would have been left with just a broken tranny and u-joint.
not bad being that was the only thing replaced on the car other then the clutch and brakes for that many miles.
the motor still has lots of life in it also.
again paid 2200 for the rx-7 so I didn't really pay for for it then I would have going to a domestic car. oh yeah almost just as fast N/A as a few of your thirdgen V8's out there


now that was the best remark
I love domestic cars. just my preference if I am to drive a car I like to drive imports so far.
if I really think domestic cars are crap would I stay here, would I want to own a thirdgen or maybe even a 4th if I had the money, would I really want to buy my 71 camaro back?
you know just b/c we like imports doesn't mean we can't like domestics. though you seem to have that idea if you like a domestic then imports must be crap


wait till I get my car running again after I swap the turbo driveline in there.
I almost beat a ferrari 360. not bad for a car that cost me 2200 and after mods and all cost me around under 7k including the cost of the car.
can I out turn one though.... no :-( I give them that
and there are quite a few of them that you can do that with for a cheap price. sometimes even cheaper then you can with a domestic car


just open up your eyes man not all imports are guys riding around in a 88hp fart can car.

and looks like you and I are starting trouble again chuvyluva

rx7speed

what amount of boost did he run?
a wastegate and boost controller is going to do very little if you dont uset it to set the boost up other then the wastegate might get the turbo's to spool up a little quicker

was part of that 1000 in labor?

also a turbo timer is not going to do much for power
all it does is sit there and when you hust the car off keep oil pumped through the turbo so it doesn't get baked on oil which will kill the turbo.

ChevyLuva3

Well adding displacement adds weight and power (but that depends, old 83 Z28 engine had like what 150 or so hp), adding charger only adds power, and like what 20 pounds of weight. So the power to weight ratio is drasticly different.

I'm not talking just about performance, kids today like cars based on how many times they can change the looks. You'll see an ad on clear corners or Altezza lights and who they for? Thats right imports. Its very rare to see it on domestics.. but I don't even wanna touch Altezzas they are fugly. Hey even those new eyebrow/eyelid things that go on your headlights, those types of aftermarket things is what kids look for today, dont ask me why.


I sure as hell wouldn't, my car is 13 years old, and its running just fine. And old import replacement parts cost A LOT, compared to our domestic parts.


Welp, thats all I see here... I just don't understand why someone would take an ECONOMY car like a civic, and try to make it fast... WHY? Just go buy a FAST car and save yourself all the trouble

HaHa true.

Thats exactly what it is, except with the "a" not the "e".
When a company puts in a turbo or super that is the cheapest and easiest way to build horsepower. I mean why spend another month figuring how to engineer the engine to make an extra 200hp on it, when they can just throw on a turbocharger in day. See what I'm saying. To put it in better terms... BMW spends their time trying to get everylast bit of horsepower out of their 6 cylinder engines. And they still take the time for luxury. While GM says eh screw it, why spend another month figuring how to get more horsepower out of a 6 cylinder engine, when they can just add two more pistons to the equation. See what I'm sayin. Cheating.

Just one last comment... think about it, my friend has a queer A4, with all the ***** mods equipped, nothing performance except exhaust. But I mean this kid even switched the front and rear bumpers to S4 bumpers, I mean WHY? So stupid, who cares about how the bumper looks. And he has a stock turbo on it, and do you know how much HP that engine has?? 150, thats right 150HP with a turbo?! What the hell kinda HP does that **** engine produce without the turbo? I will never buy a stock turbo car, unless its pushing 400HP, like the Porse 911 Turbo.

shrp1

HAHAH, you couldnt be more wrong, you think its just throw a turbo on and go, PLEASE, take a look at the engineering it takes to run a turbo car, its NOT CHEAPER OR EASIER........ MUCH more than a N/A V8 my friend!!!!!!!!!

Oh so NO AMERICAN Turbo car pushes 400 hp?? HAHAHAHA

YOU BETTER ASK SOMEBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OH yea and that PORSCHE!!!!!!!!

L8R

rx7speed

not my fault that by adding a simple mod as such it doesn't add much weight
now is it cheating that rather then putting in a turbo charger and getting a flatter powerband, less weight, and more power then putting in a V8 and adding more weight, prolly not going to have as flat of a powerband, and have about the same amount of power?
ask me kinda stupid to have those extra pistons there in that case





Just one last comment... think about it, my friend has a queer A4, with all the ***** mods equipped, nothing performance except exhaust. But I mean this kid even switched the front and rear bumpers to S4 bumpers, I mean WHY? So stupid, who cares about how the bumper looks. And he has a stock turbo on it, and do you know how much HP that engine has?? 150, thats right 150HP with a turbo?! What the hell kinda HP does that **** engine produce without the turbo? I will never buy a stock turbo car, unless its pushing 400HP, like the Porse 911 Turbo.


rare to see it on domestics????
neon, cav, focus, and *** knows what else.
also not all of us are into trying to "rice" out the car
but do not say that domestic's dont do it often also
you guys have your GFX,wings, cowl hoods and such.
so you might not see the same things going through each type of car but yet each type does have its own cosmetic mods that they do


my car would be running fine if I changed an injector
with 171k on the car with only those things being replaced on it and only needing to have a fuel injector to get it up and running right again not bad.
with parts yes the domestic might be a little cheaper on some parts but you know I was replacing them a lot more often then on my import
on my camaro I replaced the alt 2 times, the starter 3 times, 2 batts, points 3 times, cap 3 times, plug wires once, the tranny needed to be replaced, the TC needed replaced, my 4.11 rear end was going, fly wheel needs the starter ring replaced, external voltage regulator once, carb once also bought a rebuild kit that I used on the old one, and I prolly forgot a few things
now my maverick I haven't replaced a thing and I am not going to. not worth it
but so far with most my friends the imports tend to last longer then the domestics and that can far outweight the cost of the part.
and I still say most parts for my rx-7 vs my camaro/maverick there is not that much of a difference.
only big items that cost more are the plugs. I pay a damn 5-8 bucks for the things, and the motor for me if I want to buy a rebuild can cost me around 2k+. so you have me there
oh yeah the only other thing I have to replace is the tranny and u-joint again
again this is my fault. I knew better then to run the turbo motor on a N/A driveline. and b/c of that I break stuff.
it would be like putting a 502 with all that torque behind your T5. just not a good idea


I agree with that for the most part
now I can see making an economy car faster, but not trying to make it fast.
though there are still quite a few fast imports
but those guys tend to blend in just like the fast domestics


do you have any idea how much effort goes into building a turbo or supercharged car??
you dont just slap one on
hell mazda made a whole new motor for there turbo car.
most car makers that have both a N/A version and a turbo version have to make a new motor for the car and that is new pistons,cam,valves, intake and all.
turbo motors are more tempermental with what kind of setup they have.
things like cam overlap.lift,timing, ignition, preventing detonation and the list goes on take a lot more effort to do then just building an N/A car
why do you think there are more N/A cars out there. lot less work, R&D, and cost in the build up of a car

you make it sound right there that by adding the two more pistons that it will save time and effort rather then making more power out of a V6
and you say that is cheating


would you not take the GFX from a car in the chevy/pontiac family and put them on your car or rims from one of them on your car cause you like the way they look?


a turbo is not always there to add peak power.
sometimes if you are making an econobox you make a small motor so you have low fuel draw but put a small turbo on there so you can move when you need to.
also how much does that car weight cause I am not sure but Iknow you dont always need to have 300-400hp to make a car go fast
stock TII making 180hp pulls a 15.1 in the 1/4
put an exhaust on there you can prolly hit mid to high 14
why can it do it
well first off you start making power at about 3000 rpms or so and pull that power all the way up to 7000 rpms
called power curve
the car that has the most power under a rpm range that is set by gearing will win the race if all else is equal. NOT always the car with the most power.
and talking about power I run could run with a porsche 911 turbo and that car put down over 100 more hp then I did. well when my car had a turbo setup in it


you know we need to stop this chevy

rx7speed

with the time you stated in your sig you would prolly lose man
sorry

shrp1

No need to be sorry, I got 11K in my car total, and Porsche turbo is close to 100K!!!!!!!!!

But I want to see the regular Joe drivier on the street. Hell my car is 3700 # you figure the HP?????


BTW, Im much faster than that now. Just waiting for the track to open.