vic_V8

last night a friend and I were sitting in a diner when a guy we went to school with came in. (he lies a lot) he said he just bought a eclipse 5 spd and said the car did 150 and got their quick. I'm not sure what year it was but the year end looked like a late 80s ford probe, so I'm guessing in was like a 89. I didn't even think they could hit 110 in two miles?

Funny story about same kid: (we will call him J)

J: hey vic I'm almost done with my camaro (pos)
Vic_V8: sounds good I always liked my third gen
J: its got a 350 and step over stock cam in it (probably has a blown motor)
Vic_v8: (being polite) sounds like a fast one, I can't wait to get a ls1 and waste everyone in town
J: lets race for pink slips. my 350 v.s. your r.s
Vic_v8: sorry J I don't have room for your car at my house

Nic

From my experience in the 2.0 Sonata's, which have the exact same motor in them he'd be able to top out at 127 mph n/a. If it was a turbo eclipse I don't see where 150 would be out of the question if there was no governor on it, but there probably is and it's probably at the same 127 mph.

CODY BEHNKE

If it was modded maybe, but not stock for any year. They only have 210hp-215hp and yes they have good aerodynamics but there geared low. In my 1991 Talon FWD Turbo on a good stretch of road i cold hit 145mph. My car had modded by the previous owner though, slightly bigger intercooler, K&N FIPK, and a revised waste gate. They feel fast because of the turbo but I still got beat by a large share of F-Bodies and Mustangs. On of my friends has a 1997 AWD Talon with a couple bolt on's and we whoop his butt all the time racing. 150 would be possible down hill but not flat out without mods. Around 125 is as fast as my buddies N/A Eclipse went in High School.

HrdRockA4305

I think, due to gearing, that the theoretical top speed of those is right about 150. I've never heard of one going over that, even the pro race cars. Especially with AWD, if he has it, it'd take a TON of power to get hauling like that becuase of all the mechanical drag. But I still like those cars.

vic_V8

this car looks like it has been through its paces, and is probably the oldest eclipse

paul_huryk

Max speed of one of those cars is 160mph at 7000rpm. He would have to be able to pull 6500 to get to 150mph, which ain't gonna happen unless it is a heavily modified turbo motor.

CODY BEHNKE

How do you get that? Did you use a neat little "Top speed formula"? They don't work you cannot factor in every variable. The true top speed of a car is what it does in the real world not on paper. Thta would be pretty heavy modding, 7000 rpm thats not alot for a Turbo 4 when reving in lower gears for a short amount of time but it would never hold up for lthe long time it would take to hit 160

HrdRockA4305

160 MPH@7000 = Theoretical top speed

Unless you take the motor past the redline, or strap on a jet pack and coast, thats as fast as you're gonna go no matter how much power you have. You could mabe get 10 more MPH with larger diameter tires or something, but it'd have to be a modified car to make the kind of power required to get up that high. Yes there are many of these cars that can get up that high and quick, but i highly doubt the guy you're talking to owns one capable of it.

vic_V8

is their anyway to tell from the outside? he had a hood buldge, but that was it, not special markings or anything

Nic

Look under the passenger side front bumper...do you see an intercooler?

costill91Z

if it was a turbo, or turbo awd, it will usually say on the side, plus, the turbos usually had certain alloys that the n/a car did not, at least early on dsm's

92Camaro305TBI

Check the muffler!
If it's still stock anyway, Turbos have two outlets (not two mufflers) and N/A had one outlet. Unless it's modded, Check under the hood to be sure.

FormulaFirebird

The fastest I have heard of an Eclipse clocked at is 130, even with a turbo eclipse it really isn't possible because the turbo eclipse have the same engines as a base yet its supercharged. Supercharged engines don't give much more speed, just a little more power. The car would have to be modified into a ***** or something to be able to reach 150.

vic_V8

thanks guys, I'll probably see the car new years eve, I can't race it til spring cause it is snowing, by then I'll either have a lt1 or a 350 in the vic v8 mobile

CODY BEHNKE

The N/A DOHC could be had with the good alloy's and dual outlet muffler too. Some of the the later model 95+ (or so) got pretty cheap and the N/A DOHC could be had with the single outlet and even hub caps! The hood buldge is only for cam timing gear cover clearance. Theres 2 1997 Tlons in town taht look identical but one is Turbo and one isn't.

vic_V8

when did they start making eclipses?

92Camaro305TBI

mid to late 80's...
88 maybe...

HrdRockA4305

I think they started about 90-91.

"Supercharged engines don't give much more speed, just a little more power"

I'm not even going to say anything....
Where'd you get that one?

Bulge hood = DOHC but not neccesarily turbo, you're right its needed to clear the bigass timing cover. Twin tips on a stock muffler is easiest way to spot a turbo other than badging.

Dash Rip-rock

Hey guys, this is my first reply (post) on this forum. I have had three Talons, a 91, 94 and now a 95 AWD TSI. The Turbo Eclipse or Talon will do 143-144 miles per hour stock. If you want to pick up any Road and Track magazines from the early 90's you will see the top speed on these cars. And as far as gearing goes, Sean Glazer ran a 8.8 at 160 miles per hour with stock gearing in his '92 AWD Talon. So the car won't do 150 stock but definitely go faster than 130. Mid 140's is probably about right. On the second gens 95-99 FWD Turbo there is a rev limiter that does allow them to go over 130 miles an hour, but they will do 130 in 4th. Check out some of the road tests in car magazines. The rev limiter is pretty easy to remove. If you guys have any questions about DSMs, let me know. Thank you for your time.

Dash Rip-rock
95 AWD TSI (some mods)

cy Z28

Speaking of not possible.... where did you get your information? Dude, not to flame... But you have NO idea what you're even talking about. NONE

HrdRockA4305

Welcome to the board Dash! BTW I love that song "Lets go smoke some pot" by that band. Not that I ever do, its just funny


The Talon/Eclipse is one of my favotire "Non-V8" cars by far. Almost bought one! If not for my Camaro I'd have bought a Red 92 GSX 5 Speed with leather and power everything, but it had lotsa problems. LOTS. They're unfortunately not real common in my area,turbo ones at least, go figure about 30 miles away from the Bloomington, IL factory that built them! But I'd really like to own a 97-99 someday, that front end and overall styling I just think is really cool.

Sean Glazer is an American Badass when it comes to DSMs! I drop by the Extreme Motorsports site every now and then to see whats new.
Him and the guys from Buschur (sp?) still battling over the "worlds fastest" title constantly? I also used to be a member at a DSM message board, forgot which one it was almost a year ago.

And about that supercharger thing, I changed my mind I am going to comment. What the funk do you think you're talking about!? You obviously don't know, but hey I won't be too harsh. This whole board is here for us to learn stuff, and I'm glad you're here. Just take the freindly advice that you'd better make sure you at least sound like you know what you're talking about because theres a lot of guys on here who aren't as nice as I am. Not that they're not cool of course

Dash Rip-rock

ya I love Dash rip-rock. Elly-May's Hollywood boyfriend on The Beverley Hillbillies and I know the song your talking about. Buschur's rear wheel drive Talon ran an 8 flat at 172 mph, although it was tube framed, it was still powered by the 4g63 so it is still DSM power. The guy that I am most impressed with is John Shepard. He drives Buschur's old car and he cleans up in the Import Street Class. His Talon went undefeated this year. With treaded tires, full exhaust, full interior he ran a 9.8 at 147 mph. In the street class is the one I think most people can relate to and the DSM's dominate that class. Shepard is the only guy that is running 9's with street radials.

As far as that guy's comment about supercharging or turbo charging not making your car go any faster, get a clue.

Thanks guys.

95 AWD TSI