budfreak1

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ninetyone

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There was a limited edition 1992 Fbody with a 350 and 5 speed, It was a Camaro, secondly, no stock thirdgen, especially a 305 is going to beat any C4 Vette, Third, cams and headers,exhaust dont make that much of a difference. They do help,but they don't add the kind of hp you think they do. Maybe on the butt dyno.

Fast355

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What a retarded *** statement you just made. On my Hemi headers, cam efan and tune was worth 100 rwhp.

89rs454

Nothing else to prove, this thread is going to hell in a hand basket real fast.

Fast355

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A simple hand held programmer added 40 rwtq to my Titan.

13.9 second Titan only hours ago

GenX'Motorsport

ninetyone

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Headers CAN add UP TO 10% more to your flywheel hp and that is pushing it. Most of the time headers add around 10-15hp to a v8 car. Secondly a tune or programmer doesn't really add anything. You may gain a few hp by manipulating the timing tables or changing the air/fuel mixture. I have been modifying cars for a long time man. 100rwhp? are you nuts? Forced induction like supercharging or turbo charging may add 100-125 flywheel hp. You obviously haven't been around the block.

Fast355

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Don't worry about him or his partner in crime. I have plenty of documentation on whats important to me. I just pulled my Titantalk post from August when I ran my previous 14.22 run.

First run knocked out a 14.38 in 3,000 DA and I knew the combination of insulated intake, PRT 2.5" catted B-pipes, and running on my Hypertech tuning again were going to fly. After a few more runs, eventually got it down to a 14.222 @ 95.61 on a 2.053.

If you notice on the time slips they are dated tomorrow, they have been 2 days off for the last 2-3 months and also 12 hours off, since AM and PM are switched.

I corrected my best runs also running Hypertech with the only changes being the PRT B-pipes and the insulated airbox and intake. Also insulated my passenger side fuel rail as it looks like it would heat soak badly.

Running the the same Right Lane at Dallas Dragway here are the before and after numbers.



On Friday June 29, 2012 @ 11:28 PM...

60' = 2.149
330' = 6.047
1/8 = 9.322
MPH = 74.68
1000' = 12.176
1/4 = 14.590
MPH = 92.88
DA = 2,352
Corrected 1/4 = 14.188 @ 95.576
Weight ~ 5,250
EST HP ~ 331.21


Last night Saturday August 12, 2012 @ 10:22 PM

0060' = 2.053
0330' = 5.884
1/8 = 9.088
MPH = 76.33
1000' = 11.874
1/4 = 14.222
MPH = 95.61
DA = 2,156
Corrected 1/4 = 13.866 @ 98.123
Weight ~ 5,250
EST HP ~ 359.42

Between my buddy's phone and the track clock there was a 3 minute time difference, but the run on video was a 14.271 @ 95.37 on a 2.061s 60' time. If you notice the Video title it was 08/11/2012 @ 23:39.16 or 11:39 and the track clock was showing 11:42 on the slip.


Here are some pictures I took at the track, street trim on 20s, minus the tailgate. I did not even take the time to clean my junk out of the cab.

ninetyone

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They are allowed to advertise what ever they want. Do you really believe that a programmer can add hp to your car? Your engine is mechanical

Fast355

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I went from 285 rwhp to 378 rwhp with those mods peak to peak and gained more than 100 rwhp at 6,200rpm.

89rs454

Have you ever heard of a f****** tune before this is beyond all comprehension.

Fast355

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I watched it on the dyno same day within minutes. I gained 10 rwhp/40 rwtq even heat soaked. I also picked up 5 tenths in the 1/8 tuned vs untuned.

ninetyone

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Go take a look at the DIY Tuning section on here. If you believe Hypertech is going to make any difference on your car. I burn custom chips.

ninetyone

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Yeah, trust me i know what a tune is. As a matter of fact there are several satisfied members on this site, for whom i have burned custom chips for! None of them wanted to go back to their Hypertechs.

Fast355

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Funny thing my Titan is Hypertech tuned....

ninetyone

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5 tenths! from a chip or programmer! Do u know what it takes to gain half a second like that? seriously. It takes a lot of sweat and tears to gain 5 tenths of a second my friend. Ok, so now you say it wasn't 40 hp gained ,but 10 hp? That is somewhat believable.

ninetyone

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Hypertech does nothing really. Ask anyone in the DIY Tuning section on here. Why do you think we learn how to tune and burn OUR OWN chips?

ninetyone

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Yeah with the help of a 100 shot of nitrous

Fast355

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You have a few things to learn on a drive by wire vehicle my friend. It hax a WOT restriction that only allowed half throttled under 40 mph. Disabling that was worth 3 tenths alone. The premium fuel tuning was worth 2 tenths alone. Combined was 5 tenths crom a hand held programmer.

GenX'Motorsport

I dont think anyone mentioned Hypertech here. Yes, an out of the box chip for our cars and most OBD1 cars hardly do a thing. But a true custom dyno tune with a modified car does make alot of power. Alot of the time its needed just to make the car run right when changing Injectors, altering the intake, of course heads and cam, boost and even exhaust.
But his truck is an OBD2 totally different. Without any mods or bolt ons, you can tune some power out of any modern vehicle.. If one wanted to put the time, effort and research into one.

Fast355

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Nope

ninetyone

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Premium fuel is to avoid pinging. The programmer is increasing your timing in certain areas of the rpm range and there fore is requiring you run higher octane. That is what a 93 octane tune really is. For the record, you can gain like 5hp that way. Do you know what five hp gives you? about a half a tenth if even that. Not 5 tenths. Those programmers are not all that different from a person using Tunerpro and changing certain parameters and then burning a new chip. It is just like a stereo with like 3 eq presets , instead of you fine tuning it yourself the programmer has their own limited presets. You sure it is not 0.05 instead of 0.5 (5 tenths)of a gain?

ninetyone

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No, there is not much of a difference. Most obd2 require flash programming instead of an eprom, thats all

ninetyone

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The diesel trucks can gain 100hp with a programmer tho, if you up the boost, but this is a totally different scene all together.

Fast355

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Here is a dyno of the Titan. CAI, Magnaflow muffler, TB coolant bypass, 170°F thermostat and Hypertech 93 tune. It was rated 317HP/385 tq at the crankshaft!

Fast355

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.5 and it was 10 rwhp and 40 rwtw....Torque is what moves them!

Fast355

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I also own Uprev custom tuning suite for it. They are having trouble with my throttle mapping causing check engine lights but I am over 300 rwhp on custom tuning.

fasteddi

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I was 6

You crack me up as your ignorance amazes me and what you think of a modern gearhead. You don't know me anyways so why would you suggest I don't know how cars were then. Its called i can read so yes i do know how they were and have been in plenty of them. I was just stating in the other post, that you made me laugh because YOU clearly said they did not have 350's in early 1990's z-28's. So who's the dummy....lol

Fast355

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Been burning proms since 04 here, lol. Own HP Tuners for GM, SCT for Ford and Dodge and Uprev for Nissan.

ninetyone

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a titan came with 317hp stock,whats your point? its still a 5100 lb truck that runs a 15

Fast355

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317 at the crank, yet ran 14.7 stock and now 13.98 with a few boltons. Made 293 rwhp. 5,080+ driver with 1/2 tank of fuel on the scale at Texas Motorplex in Ennis.

PhoenixFirebird

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Good lord, this thread is still going on?

But since everyone is pitching a b*tch fit, I'll throw mine in too. Still haven't heard anything about driver skill having anything to do with stock auto third gens, someone enlighten me please.

FYI, my Formula went from 15.7 to 14.5 with simple mods, and ofcourse better air from spring/summer to the fall. Headers, 180 thermostat, and an extensive tune. Who says a tune doesn't add performance?

Still waiting for someone to get in my bird and run a 1.90 60'. I'm a new racer who ran a best of 2.02 60', let's see some of you "skilled" guys one up me. Run a 1.90 60' in my car, and I'll get down on my knees and worship you. Till then, still waiting on this BS you guys call driver skill.

For the record, I don't know or care why a Nissan truck got brought into this, it's not a third gen, and it's not stock. Who gives a damn? It's not even close to OBDI tuning. You can remove a limiter below 40 mph, congrats. Third gens didn't come with a "disable safety parameters" option in the tune for us to pick up 3 tenths. How can you even compare a Nissan truck to a third gen? The only thing they have in common are 4 wheels

Fast355

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Titan is just like any other detuned, smogged out vehicle third gen or otherwise
I have gotten more than 3 tenths out of TPI cars by tweaking the chip. GM left plenty on the table. The AE is too lean in all of them, the low rpm timing at WOT is weak in a major way and they all run too rich in the low-midrange at WOT. PE enter threshold leaves alot to be desired as well.

Sometimes a mere foot to the left or right getting in the groove can help or hurt your 60' more than one full tenth. As always my best launch was from idle, tapping the pedal 1/2 way and then tromping it as I passed the staging lights. I tried stalling it up to 1,000 and left in a cloud of tire smoke that resulted from blowing the tires away in first gear so hard that I shifted 1-2 pracically before the 60' and then downshifted right back to first. So yes DRIVER makes a hell of a difference even on relatively stock vehicles.

project89

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if i was in ohio id take u up on that offer, driver skill will play a large part even with a bone stock auto car.

the difference between me and my ex gf in my stock car was 3-5 tenths

in my modified car on street tires my friend shawn could go .2 faster then me on the 60's and .4-.5 faster et and that wa sin a car i drove everyday and he would drive only at the track, never any street time except for the one time he driove it from my racecar shop to the track for me so i could datalog and tune on the way there .

on slicks though our times would be even

Fast355

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For the record bring that 305 to me give me a weekend to bring it up to par and you will run 13s. TB heat would be bypassed, properly adjust your valvetrain, I would install fresh properly gapped plugs, look at your tune, revise tune as needed with my Autoprom, take all your junk out, remove every un needed part not bolted down, spare tire, jack, tools, floor mats drop your tire pressure properly, do a proper burnout and cut as many 1.9s 60' times as it takes to convince you. You are a 1.8s 60' away from 13s. If I can walk a peg leg Titan out of the hole with a best 60' of 1.99 today on street tires, Iknow I can pull a better one out of your torque monster TPI. My Titan has the same powerband as a TPI car as it uses nearly equal runner/head port length and short cam timing. I'd walk you out of the hole and manually shift my way into the 13s.

89rs454

Bring me your 305 and ill make it look like an lt1, these boys can't hang with me.

Street Lethal

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Chris, these newbies don't know any better. They have no idea how detuned these engines are from the factory, nor do they understand where to look to uncork the factory setback. I try not to give tuning advice on this website anymore, and it bothers me that Bob still does because it goes unappreciated. Let them search the archives...

Dave, I threw out the offer, thousand bucks if he can launch your car like Shawn can since the driver is irrelevant in an automatic as per him. He just better show up with his thousand otherwise we will have a very big problem, and you know what I'm talking about. If he wants to prove his theory without video to back it up, then he needs to come to e-town...

GTA matt

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Lol at all of this.....

And bolt ons don't add power?? You would crap yourself then if I told you I went a 12.85 with shorty headers, 1.6 rockers, gears, throttle body, the little free mods and a shift kit with a stock tpi intake on a stock 350 @3500 pounds.

And for the record, a cam and tune on my truck took me from 14.9 stock to a 13.7.

PhoenixFirebird

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Leave at idle in my car, half throttle till 30', and see what your 60' is. It's probably 3.xx. Do you not understand what track I'm at? Summit Motorsports Park is quite possibly the best track prep in the country. I'll tell you again. I leave at 1500 rpm. I don't spin the tires off the line. 1600, I spin them off the line, and push through the beams. 1700 I spin them at the line. If you think you can gain some 60' time by launching 100 rpm higher at 1600 and holding half throttle, you're just ignorant.

Still not hearing any variables other than the ones I mentioned. And again about Shawn, that was in a modified car. Moot point. I already mentioned launching a modified car takes more skill. Not launching a stock auto.

1LE LB9 cars can run 13.9 factory, but you can put my LB9 there just as easily? Talking out of your rear again. I would love to see you drop half a second without any more mods. Your Titan is not comparable to my Formula, stop kidding yourself. My car doesn't run 14.7 stock, like your truck does. Nobody gives a damn about your truck, stop bringing it up.

Rob, can you read? You didn't even reply to my post, I'm disappointed. Still waiting for this magic you call driver skill. And again with the modified BS. I have no interest in Dave's car, it has no place in this thread. FYI Rob, there's a video in my sig, of me and my car, at Norwalk. Timeslip at the end.





Still waiting on driver skill variables, haven't heard anything good yet.

Fast, I'll give you credit for things like you mentioned, except my car has most of those done. You can revise my tune to your heart's content. Regardless, Rob and Dave don't consider those driver skill, as they changed nothing on Dave's car and Shawn pulled off a better 60'.

It was a good start, at least you gave some real factors that one could change to achieve a better 60', but because I've done them and Rob and Dave didn't change anything from run to run, it's not anything substantial in the driver skill department. Moot point.

How has this not been locked yet?

PhoenixFirebird

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I can believe this. A few people have told me my mild 350 TPI build plan should easily hit mid 12s. Not much more done than what you mentioned.

ninetyone

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do you believe them?

ninetyone

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I hit
low 14's with all of those mods.

89rs454

What's wrong with you? you always find a way to kill it.

GTA matt

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Whoops, forgot, I had a hypertec chip in it too

smgseanmicheal

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sorry, I can only find one of my slips so I tip my hat to you on knowing how to tune

GenX'Motorsport

If youre building a new 350. IMO youre goal should be alot faster than what a tired old bolt on car can do. Shoot for 11's With the right head, cam, gear, stall combo in a tuned and dialed in car. That shouldnt be a problem.

Fast355

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I agree should not be a problem. 11s is what I have up my sleeve for my TBI injected FE 390 stroker 1968 fastback galaxie 500 project.

I am shooting for 12s in the tow rig after replacing all 4 cams, a 2,600 rpm stall torque converter, shift kit, headers and a 75 shot. Runs ~13.7s right now at full weight on the stock 20" wheels and tires and the thing is still Hypertech tuned.

ninetyone

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Of course with the right HEADS,then the proper intake to suit the heads and then a cam to suit all of those needs. 11's with stock TBI unit?

GenX'Motorsport

I think I have realized why youre L98 car ran slower than every other thirdgen in the united states. You had a 305 the hole time. Thats the only explanation. You say that you had every bolt on that matters, cam and you tuned the car. Yet you only ran a 14 sec quarter?? You doubt anyone that gets there TPI car to run even the least bit hard, then go on to compare to youre old ride. Either something was really wrong with it. You never put youre foot to the floor, or it was a LB9 instead of the L98. Because like "GTAMatt" says he ran 12's with common bolt ons, so did many other members here. H/C/I 350 Thirdgens could easliy be 11 sec cars. So IDK WTF is up with you. I dont even know why im typing this post??? Just getting annoyed at youre comments i guess

ninetyone

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I had a 350Tpi from a 1990 Iroc. 5.7L stamped behind driver's head.