ImportsRsloths

I was out in my 88 iroc 305 tpi 5 speed 220 HP and pulled up to a light with a volky, my friend asked what he had and he said he had a $500 chip that make 75 HP.... anways when the light turned green my wheels chirped and said bye to the gay VW..... i think he went to take his $500 chip back to the "speed shop" any of you guys beat turbo imports before??? and my was that VW ugly to!

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ImportsRsloths

2000 Volkswagen Jetta GLS 1.8T 7.8 16.1 87
2000 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 4.9 12.9 107


HMMMM??????? Looks to me like jettas suck DIAACCKK!!!what do all of you think??? i think jettas are like saturns!

https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/001015.html

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JR4444

I pulled up next to a Turbo Civic HB, He is known to have one of the "fastest" street legal civic's, Anyways he looked over to me and said All motor, I replied Yes and he laughed. The light turned green and I got alittle jump on him and when I barked the tires into second he was about a car lengths back. All through second gear I just pulled on him and left him afew car lenghts back. I let him catch up up and he had a shocked look on his face; I just smiled and waved. It was great

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Headers in the mail soon to be installed

elevario

What color is that hatchback civic? If it's white I might know the guy....

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JR4444

This one was black, but I think I know of the white one. Is it the one with a bulge in the hood on one side? What does the white one run the 1/4 mi. in?

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

LOL, thats good. They are crazy or something.

Built18t

I respect your cars. I've got several friends with J bodies, but please don't think that just because you whip up on some moron that thinks he's gotta chip that makes 75hp that VW turbo's are slow. My clubs got a 400hp Golf with a completly stock bottom end that's running 11's in the 1/4. That's with factory pistions, rings, crank, cams you name it. Basicaly a turbo upgrade, some injectors and a Front mount IC. He raced a built 383 with a 150 shot and he had to spray all the way down to keep from getting pulled on. I know there are cars out there faster then his, but you have to admit a 11 sec car out of factory bottom end is pretty damn good. He still gets eaten alive by our other friend that has a C5 vette with a big shot on it and a built motor. here's a dyno of a mildly modded car in my club and on other witn similar mods. These are wheel figures. Not bad for $1500 in mods on a 4 banger. I promise if you stepped you that 220hp car to these cars, you'd be surprised at the outcome.



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JR4444

What you described is the great thing about Turbo cars. Any Turbo car from the factory Has the right compression, cam, heads, seals ect...Someone in my city has a 700RWHP Turbo Supra with mostly stock bottom end! The simple thing you have to realize here is that we own Muscle Cars and most people here don't like little 4 cylanders, but your welcome to stay and post as long as your cool, which you seem to be.

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Turbo Jetta

Nobody said anything about 75 hp from a chip. What as said was 50 hp from a chip. A chipped 1.8t will put down 180 hp at the wheels = about 210 at the crank!

Built18t

diriveline loss is about 12.5% so around 200hp. Generally on pump gas your gunna get about 40hp.
Hey no problem any of you guys know someone looking for an IMMACULATE 2000 Firebird Red W/blk leather and T-Tops, it's got the big V8 in it. Very low miles, my neighbor is selling hers.

Turbo Jetta

The fact is that a chipped 1.8t will beat just about any stock camaro (3rd gen). Isn't if funny how a 109 can spank a 350 and still get 30+ mpg!

IROCThe5.7L

I'm sure they sound and look as good too!


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one dub nut

Yeah, um, way to be simple minded. Beauty, aural or visual, is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally think the old Camaros are butt ugly, but they are powerful. Big-CC V8 owners are just having problems coming to terms with the fact that they can be beat by a 4-cylinder, 1.8 litre motor VOLKSWAGEN. The Camaro may look and sound sportier, but the VW is always going to be classier and more refined. Especially the VR6, but that's a whole other story.

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wrstdude

Okay-I never post in here-I usually just read for the sake of reading-but what you just said is proposterous. Number one-You're comparing cars that are from two totally different eras. Number two-the majority of cars that are "just upgraded to turbos" are gonna beat most cars that have no turbo. You would most certainly have to admit that a stock third gen. w/ just a turbo upgrade is gonna destroy your Jetta. Try racing somebody on here that has a Turbo Trans Am.....that's something you don't want to mess with. Granted-most people on here don't know that much about the 1.8 that you hold in such high regards, myself included-but you obviously don't know too much about our cars either-or you wouldn't make heinous claims about a 1.8 beating a 350. You take your 2002 1.8 and race it against a 2002 350-then you'll be racing the same technology and you'll have a better comparison of how 350 technology has changed-because I seriously doubt your 265 hp turboed 1.8 is gonna beat a 325 hp 350-I just don't see that happening-but send me some video if you get lucky enough doing just that. And about racing a Turbo Trans Am (which is from our era) I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that love to show you that they don't make 'em like they used to-while handing you your a** at the same time. Just some food for thought......

85transamtpi

The car that will win (in general) is the car that has the best hp/weight ratio. The golf's do well because they are light. I think VW's (with the exception of bugs) are pretty nice cars.

peace

Built18t

I agree that any V8 will beat a 4cy with simialar mods. I'm not trying to get this to a pissing match. Just realize that some VW's/Audi can be quick so don't sleep on them. The only problem currently is the tranny which is limiting them to 140mph.

IROCThe5.7L

Race this!




Id still take a 3rdgen. Those cars are fugly I think. Just My opinion though.

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ImportsRsloths

Someone post a pic of a 91/92 Z28 like IonsZ28's car or a black GTA... to show dill smack what a nice third gen looks like..... I think VW said it best "the jetta is my wifes car" bull $hit, you are gay and you need to face it!

mss

ok i dont usually get involved in these pointless arguments , but i think ive got to say something here . first of all , your talking about being close minded ? well ... that statement appears to be a little closeminded if you ask me . you said yourself beauty is in the eye of the beholder . im going out on a limb here , but maybe not the entire population things vw's are the coolest looking things since sliced bread . your entire post contradicts itself .

do me a favor , dont ever post here again . your comparing 2 cars from completly different eras . do you want me to compare a 1985 jetta to a 2002 ss ? i think that would be kind of unfair . yes ? no ? . better yet , how about you compare the vw your talking about to a 2002 ss . hmmmm.....the results aren't close enough to include "variables" the vw gets its *** handed to it regardless . Are they quick for what they are ? sure . but its kind of unfair to compare a car that was an "experiment" if you will to the emissions age to a new "high tech" turbod motor . yet turbos have been around a lot longer than you guys think , you import guys didnt exactly invent the turbo .

didnt you just say in this very same post that third gen camaros are butt ugly ? and by the way , it would be "more sporty" not sportier , thats not even a word .

you come here , praising vw's which is ok . fine by me to each is his own . but once you start trashing our cars , is when you **** people off . and you also seem under the impression that every third gen supplies a 16 second timeslip right out of the box which is also bs . newer l98 350 camaros can run low 14s stock to the air filter , and lb9 5 speed combinations can run high 14s with ease . now is there a vw from the same era that can pull 14 second time slips ? hmmmmmm......something to think about

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CrazyHawaiian

As long as they're into performance (be it a 3rd gen or a VW) they're cool with me.

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Turbo Jetta

The Jetta is my wifes car. I drive a Golf!

slowdub

You guys enjoy these...

http://www.alamoautosports.com/12-8SHRT.MPG

http://www.alamoautosports.com/billy/12-73.MPG

These are old. Last pass was a 12.3 @ 113 with a high 1.9 60ft, on a bad clutch. Easy 11s now. 344 to the wheels, bone stock from oil pan to the valve cover

Just thought you might be interested.



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87irocz350

OK, who else is getting sick and tierd of hearing about Jettas. Volkswagon was started by Hitler and is still a **** piece of junk today.
All I hear is a modified Jetta can take a stock Camaro. WOW. THATS GREAT! Now this is comparing apples to oranges. If you modifie the camaro the camaro wins again.
And if you spend the money on a 3rd gen that you did on a new jetta you would have on mean machine.
Get over it. this is a Camaro\firebird site.
If you want to talk about Jettas go to *****.COM

slowdub

Van Halen Rules!!

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Built18t

How about a built 383 Fourth Gen with a 150 shot? That lil grey 4 door ran with him. Ask him what he thinks of VW's. We're not saying your cars are slow. Just don't be upalled when someone revs on you. More then a few will surprise you!

karstenkurtz

I can speak from experience on this topic. VW's are ****, Audi's are ****. Now let me explain how I know this. All I have grown up around is VW's and Audi's. My mom had a 88VW Jetta that she ended up selling to me at a cheap price shortly after I got my licence. It was a car so I was happy as hell. When she gave it to me she bought a new (at the time) 1996 VW Jetta. My grama who lives with us has a 1990 Jetta. My dad has a '91 Audi (the 5 cyclinder turbo one). My parents have owned four other VW's an Audi's since I was born. They all look like crap in my opinion and are all slow as hell. When i got the old jetta it was a 88 Jetta GLi 5 speed red with most options. So it was pretty well cream of the crop for the time. I had a need for speed and I was always racing my friends. Anything with more than 4 cylinders would always blow me away and all the info I could find about modifying it would cost a ton of money and I would start by having to try to break into the 16's which is pretty damn pathetic. So one day as I was testing the high speeds and handling in the 88 Jetta I took a corner too fast for its shopping cart like suspension and rolled it three times. It was a total writeoff so it was time for me to find a new car. I wasn't totally closed minded about anything in anyway all I knew was I wanted something really fast that wasn't going to cost me a **** load of money. I looked at everything out there and decided if I was going to get something built for speed a camaro IROC-Z was the way to go. Another thing too was I wanted a car that looked slick and was a sports car. A Jetta is not a sports car. A VW Gulf is not a sports car. A turbo Jetta is not a sports car. Those cars were born a dime a dozen econoboxes and always will be no matter what you do to them. So anyways I've had my IROC for about three years now and I still love it more than ever. It is now running 12's so I am no longer being beaten by my friends preludes or mustangs or whatever anymore either.

BTW: One other thing I would like to point out. In my 88 Jetta which I put some work into (fixed up the paint, added four 10" subs, redid a bunch of the interior and put a lot of work into) I didn't get one complement from a girl about how nice my car was. Nothing whatsoever not even a "Wow your car looks nice" or anything they just thought of it as a regular car which is all it really was. My camaro on the other hand I almost ALWAYS get complements from chicks. Just about every girl that sees my car for the first time says "Wow nice car!" or something along those lines because it actually looks like something you don't see all over the place such as an econobox.

Sorry VW dudes its the truth I know it hurts but thats the way it is I lived it. If you bought your VW for speed quit fighting a loosing battle and just give up and buy something thats easier and cheaper to go fast in. Your wasting your time VW's were not ment to be fast cars they were ment to be reliable (not including my 88 ), good on gas, and cheap to get around in. Performance was probably one of the last things they had on there minds when they were designing the latest Jettas.

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5.0mustang

Do either of you put down 344hp to the wheels or run 12s. I doubt it, because no matter how fast the VW is there is a Camaro under certain circumstances faster. Whether or not you like third gens is fine, but don't bring it to a third gen website. Why would you come on and brag about some guys 12 second VW. Your not going to win any fight here that way, because its been done before, and in my opinion a 12 second car isn't spectacular. Most of my friends would laugh at a 12 second car (wonder why they don't laugh at mine?)even if it was a VW. Lots of STOCK 4th gens run 12s. With boost, the possibilities are endless. Go preech somewhere else.

Built18t

As a matter of fact I don't run 12's yet. I'm getting my injectors tuned in Austria then I can turn up the boost on a bigger turbo. But if your gunna post things like "I can't believe a New Beetle wanted to race" or "VW turbos are slow" do you not expect someone who knows the cars to show up and try and bring a little truth to the matter.
And ASK ANY MKIV owner how "nice" the MKII's are. You can't compare the two. I't be like trying to compare a metro with the WS-6. Different cars different years. There weren't even any turbo VW's in those years. I'm sorry you got stuck with an 88 VW Fox or Passat. Personally I wouldn't drive one of them either. So just because you grew up with them who cares. I grew up around Chevy and Ford Drag cars I could rattle off all kinds of stuff about them too. But this wasn't supposed to be a "MY car is better thread" Just to show you guys what the cars can do.

slowdub

yeah, I put 344 to the wheels and I run 12s. That is fast, especially for a FWD daily driven street car, no juice, stock motor, etc etc etc

And I never bagged on any of the cars here, you bagged on mine.

I like fast cars, as long as the guy driving it is cool, it doesn't matter what it is. Even a fast third gen Camaro would be cool, so long as it's owner was, but most of you, with the exception of that Crazy Hawaiian, just aren't cool.

You fellas just need to open up your eyes, and drop the weak "imports suck" attitude.

And I am the guy that raced the built 383, and it wasn't a 150 shot, it was a 180 shot. The guy pulled me by a car from 45-100. Didn't want to run me again, afraid to drain the bottle.

He doesn't think VWs suck, and I don't think his car sucks.

And if you let your opinion about VW/Audi be poor cause of what they built in the 80s and early 90s... well, then I guess Camaros must suck cause of what they were in the 80's and early 90s. See what a dumb attitude that is. The LS1 is an awesome engine, no doubt about.

And wow, if you rely on your car to get you looks from girls, you must be a sorry fellow.

Heshers, all of you.

I love Metallica!!

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joeZX6

yes...the guy who posted the video of the 11 second 4 door golf -slowdub- well that is his car

comparing a 2001 vw gti to a 2001 chevy z28
vw-MSRP 18,000$ Z28-MSRP 28,000
give the gti 5000$ turbo, chip, exhaust, intake, suspension, clutch,

and the vw will beat you all day long on a road course or the dragstrip AND STILL DO IT FOR 5000$ CHEAPER


HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES????????

5.0mustang

Don't get started on power to $$ because if you take a TTA and pull more boost, those numbers are easy, and you still have $5,000. If I'm reading this right, a 383 with a 180 shot can only run 12s. That is pathetic. I have a friend with a stock motored, stocked trannied WS6 with 3.23s and a 7lb Procharger running 11.7s. He has well over 420hp at the wheels, and still gets 28 mpg on the highway to the track. Oh ya, he thinks VWs suck, because he has never been within 20 carlengths of any VW.

Dub'n'chevy

Cant we all just get along

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IROCThe5.7L

Why dont you do that. You come here and call thirdgen camaros ugly. Any retard knows thats gonna stir trouble. You could have kept that comment to yourself.

I'm sure everone else wouldnt have called your ugly car ugly if you had some class.


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ChillPhatCat

OK, you posted your first post... then one person made a reply to the topic and said nothing about you and then you posted the below quote:

Just keepin it real man... do you understand why people are getting pissed and calling VW owners Ricers? Because somebody posted a kill that is pretty lagit on a thirdgen F-body site and you guys come in here and start calling us white trash and stuff (not quoting here)... and you start spewing your knowledge of how bigger isn't better... which is incorrect if you know anything about physics.

Slowdub: if you read turbo jettas first post you would see that he has come on here and all he's done is talk **** and he's basically and *** .

Deserion

Sorry, but whoever thinks that Hitler started Volkswagen is ignorant. Ferdinand Porsche was the one who had the concept and early prototypes of the Bug, and Hitler wanted an economical car that the everyman could own. Thus, the Volkswagen was born.

Second of all, how can you justify comparing a Camaro SS against a Jetta? You can't. SS to Corvette LS1, sure, that makes sense. But what am I expecting? Compare your cars to ones that are obviously so "sucky", and thus make yourself look like a "stud".

Try taking on a Z06... I'd love to see that!

When you compare cars, you have to compare the same classes. It's like comparing a V6 Camaro against a Z06. Which is better? It's obvious.

What's with this mindset amoung you guys that "If it's import, it sucks!". Figures, you have no real idea what else is made out there in the world.

Coming from a staunch GM family, VWs are now our favorite new and old cars, classic GMs being second. Too bad other people can't see that great cars also lie across the oceans, and not solely in Motown.

When you compare your car to an equal, come on back and let us see it.

-Des

ChillPhatCat

Do you realize that you are comparing MSRP's of different cars than were in the original post you quoted? WTF? why can't people make coherent arguments?

BTW Turbo Jetta, did I mention you're an *** ?

ChillPhatCat

I'm having too much fun here...

Who started what? A bunch of VW guys come in here quoting this and that and start comparing their 2000+ jettas to cars that are up to 19 years old... WTF is that about? and a car with turbo vs N/A do you see the ironicy?

joeZX6

I agree.....but "importsrsloths"
was posting a 1/4 mile time of a stock 18,000$ vw to a 28,000$ camaro.....so i thought it would only be fair to compare the costs of cars and upgrading.....he is saying ha-ha see look, look how fast my car is stock vs stock ...but its only when you evaluate the cost factor of both cars that it seems fair to compare


stock z28`s are faster than stock jetta`s ...i agree

can a jetta be made alot faster than stock Z28 for alot less money than the msrp of the camaro......absolutly

that is what im trying to get at

slowdub

Okay, okay, sorry about all this mess.

I seriously just came on here to show you guys the potential of a car, that one of you say something like "What was this guy thinking, trying to race me"

I mean, everytime I pull up next to a 3G Z28, I don't think, what a slow POS, I am always thinking that the other guy could be faster, no matter what he drives.

When I said "bagged on my car", I didn't mean mine specifically, I just meant the turbo VWs in general.

I guess I can understand how all this must suck for you guys, us coming on here and just raising hell. I know we wouldn't like it if you did it to us on our forums.

So, with that, I apoligize for any duragatory remarks I made, they were out of line, not with my character.

You guys have a nice day.

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IROCThe5.7L

You got my respect. Thx for not actin like a 5 yr old

We got mustangs and other cool cars on thsi site and we manage to get along great

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ChillPhatCat

My last post for this topic:

All you guys with 4 clyinders trying to prove to us that a 4 cly car can be made fast... I think a lot of greif would be spared if you'd realize that we know this is a fact. But it is pretty expensive when you compare it to our thirdgens... (take note I didn't say 4th gen) that is the point we like to drive home.

Personal preference-wise I really don't care how many cylinders there are, as long as it's got pick up and go... Whomever has flamed us badly can probably recover their reputation, but you'll take some **** for it for a while... as for Turbo Jetta... you gotta get a new name and chill or just leave.

Edit: Just to level the playing feild, I looked up the specs of the two cars in question and their MSRP's

2001 Z28 Hardtop:
MSRP............ $22,450
Curb Weight..... 3403 lbs
Horsepower...... 325 Hp
Torque.......... 350 Ft-lbs

2001 Jetta GLS Turbo Manual (high output model)
MSRP............ $20,100
Curb Weight..... 3037 lbs
Horsepower...... 180 Hp
Torque.......... 174 Ft-lbs

I have to say the 4th gen is a better deal... even leaving out the better handling characteristics and better crash resiliency of the camaro.

The best $1300 I ever spent:



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ImportsRsloths

yeah the mustang guys are cool..... but the jetta guy came off as a pretty big @$$ pounder.... but i think hes starting to come around

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einsig

I've been following this thread for some time now, sifting through insipid comments from both VW and domestic owners and picking out the few legit posts. Comparing these cars really is apples to oranges. It is irrational and futile to do so. I think the intent from the VW guys was to point out that thier cars, even though they aren't performance bred to be 1/4 mile burners, are doing some amazing things at the track. Wheter they did it in a logical and polite way (being on a non-VW forum) can be argued either way.

I've been around cars for a good part of my life. From big muscle domestic V8s to higly tuned German cars, I've seen a lot. I get to play with a 500+HP AWD Audi S4 from time to time. That thing is a blast on the corners and the highway! One thing I've learned is that these cars are worlds apart. I aprectiate both groups for what they're worth and enjoy each for different reasons.

Right now I drive a '01 20V Turbo VW. Only performance mod at this point is a chip optimized for 93 octane which bumps me from 150hp to 215hp. Torque is well past 240 ft-lbs. Do I plan on taking it to the track, hell no! Is it a blast of a daily driver, hell yeah. I dust Bimmers all day during my commute. The face on these guys when I blow their 3 series out of the water is priceless..and I take it that is something we can ALL agree upon!

G92 IROC

double post...
too much time spent telling these goons to leave

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G92 IROC

Go jerk off to your f*ckin VW's somewhere else. How many of us go to a VW forum to talk crap? I hope none of us, and if they do that, they're f*ckin queer. Its so rare to see a fast VW, that I've honestly never even seen one on the street. The ones I do see on the street however have huge spoilers, tints, and ***** mods. One of them even had flames painted on. Ahhh, too much to say, just leave us alone!!!
Go shove you're austrian injectors up ur *** f@gs.

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Other:
Tints, Eclipse CD8051 HU, Nakamichi pa504 (50x4 watts), Polk 4x6's, Polk 6x9's, Xtant 1001x amp (1000 watts), 2 xtant X-series 12 inch subs= people know i'm comin' a block away

Soon= ram air, ported intake, cam

Mark A Shields

65 hp from a chip using 93 octane gas, is that even possible. Do you have dyno sheets to back that up. And wow, 240ft/lb of torque, my replacement motor which is a crap engine I admit, I was in a pinch for money when the LG4 went south, has 305ft/torque and that is with no mods.

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'86 IROC T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK HEADERS Hooker CatBack
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

got mullet

I only have one question for most of you... what color of primer is your camero.

ChillPhatCat

OMG DID A GIGANTIC ****IN BRODGE COLLAPSE? That's the only explanation I have for these ****in' trolls. We shouldn't even give them the satisfaction of making dip**** names like that!

got mullet

Granted, the Camero/Firebird can go fast straight ahead... Unfortunately:

1. They fall apart
2. Made by GM = poor quality
3. Horrible suspension & brakes
4. Ugly 80's design
5. Gas mileage sucks
6. Usually parked indefinately in someone's yard



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ChillPhatCat

I know I said I was done, but I'm really pissed about the misconceptions, I'm sure you guys understand...

We'll break this down...

"1. They fall apart" - My car is 17 years old, very little rust nothing missing all solid... 140k

"2. Made by GM = poor quality" - Second largest Car company in the world, most GM's last 150k - 250k see number one.

"3. Horrible suspension & brakes" - This is so wrong it's hard to address... basically, our cars could drive circles around anything short of a Lamborghini.

"4. Ugly 80's design" - Matter of opinion, BTW Suck my **** .

"5. Gas mileage sucks" - I could give a damn 22 is good enough for me.

"6. Usually parked indefinately in someone's yard" - as are most cars that await restoration. Restoration is a process of bringing back an old car from the dead which is a kind of devotion you get from a true enthusist.

I'm still laughin' at my last post LOL