HrdRockA4305

Just in case anyone in the Peoria, IL area reads this, look out for a black lowered sunfire. Its got a crappy lowering job (cut springs) fart tips and :rollseyes: hubcaps. BUT he's spraying N20 as i found out tonight at a stoplight, he smoked me bad, 1.5 car lenghts by the time i shifted outa first, after which i just said screw it and let off. Granted i had to other people in the car besides myself, and they were big guys, but still... Damn the L03!

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88 Camaro (not an RS, or an IROC, justa camaro.)
305TBI/700R4/2.73
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

Night Hawk

I don't think he has N20, those Sunfire GT's haul *** for a little GM econobox. My parents owned a 1998 Sunfire GT 2.4L, and it blew away my expectations, strong low end and midrange which surprised me it was only a little 4 banger, pulled hard all the way up 180 km/h and then the speed limiter would kick in, but it still wanted to pull more.

If you only have a L03 AND had you had two big guys in there with you, yes you would get smoked by the Sunfire, if it was a GT.

ONEFINE8T9

lol reguardless of circumstanses (unless N20) u should have killed the sunfire, give me a damn break, i dont care if its LG4,l03 or LB9 we are talking v8 camaros and firebirds, we shouldnt even be talking about a NA 4 cylander sunfire as a good race to an l03

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/Mikey89.html
http://www.geocities.com/firebird/myfirebird.html
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1985 trans am
factory bright yellow
4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
305 TPI
power antenna and mirrors
t tops

ImportsRsloths

Onefine you dont have an LO3 do you? id imagine why youd be ....ed when there getting beat by sufires! Thats REDICULOUS!

wataru

I dont think I have seen that one around town yet but I will keep an eye open for it.
The rice thing isnt real popular here yet but its coming. Later Barrett

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'89 firebird formula tpi
custom cold air,gutted maf(just screens),52mm tb,ported plenum,edelbrock runners and base,headers with 3" catback,tb coolant bypass,afpr@44 psi,msd 6a w\blasterII coil,3.73 posi,sf connectors and corvette servo

Jer82Z28

stock LG4's and L03's run mid 16's, easily within a sunfire/cavelier's performance range.

ONEFINE8T9

lol no deffinetly not, sunfires run like a high 17 second range and is a good match for the 2.8/3.1 thirdgens, an lg4 would run a mid 16 and the L03 would run a high 15/mid 15 with a 5 spd, there is no comparison.....

imports go back under your birdge and come out when u have something worth talking **** about...

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/Mikey89.html
http://www.geocities.com/firebird/myfirebird.html
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1985 trans am
factory bright yellow
4 wheel disks
16 inch wheels
305 TPI
power antenna and mirrors
t tops

NHcamaro

my mother has a 2001 z24 5 speed things peppy but I know my L03 can do circles around it. lol nothing to really brag about

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster exhaust


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.

Night Hawk

ah....not having much fun defending the econobox, but a stock sunfire GT runs the 1/4 mile 15.7 secs, include in the fact that it is a new car so it will have less wear and tear, and a major point is that his camaro had two other adults in the car with him versus the fact that it was just a kid in the sunfire = a lot less weight to haul. The camaro was completly stock by his signature.

ONEFINE8T9

stock sunfire GTs do NOT run a 15.7, more like a 16.7, be realistic, i used to drive those z24s and sunfire GTs all the time and raced my friends LG4 all the time and i d always get smoked and thats with him having a full load plus a custom system. Hell i even got beat by my other friends 90 firebird 3.1 by like 2 cars upto 80MPH............just something to consider

Night Hawk

MotorTrend says 2001 Sunfire GT 1/4 mile = 15.7.......something to consider

ImportsRsloths

Onefine, you are a flaming *****~ Sunfire GTs run 15.7... look at motor trend. I think its pretty obvious that a stock TBI just flat sucks **** ! Especially when its getting put down by an "econobox". Go take your TBI, power mirrors/antennae, and slam it up your urethra. Go back under the bridge you dam greasemonkey troll!

Night Hawk

whoa buddy don't be so harsh Anyways I'd way rather have a 3rd gen any day over any sunfire or any other 'econo-box' or ***** for that matter.

giovanhalen

My other car is a 98Z24 and i would not call it an econobox as it rides,handles, and brakes better than the 90 formula 350. It can cruise 80mph all day long at 30 mpg also. It ran 16.33 at the track the same day the formula ran 15.27.

ONEFINE8T9

as imports already demonstrated for us, this is where 98% of his car knowledge comes from, dont beat yourself up man........

305camaro85

just to let the jacka$$es in here know, a sunfire is not a damn import. last i heard a sunfire was made by pontiac and a cavalier was made by chevy so if they are imports (or rice like most of you say) i guess all of the firebirds and camaros that we own are rice too. just for your info a sunfire gt does haul ***** for an economy car. it may get spanked by alot of v-8s but hey it is not made for f*cking racing. think about it. it mpg will make you cry so think about the next thing you post before you actually post it.

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

FATZ_86er

some of those newer american 4 bangers w/ front wheel drive (oldsmobile intirgues,cavs, suns) can actually get up and on it in an 1/8 however the v8 just blows most of them away in the 1/4. just thought i would add some of my not so important info have a nice day

FATZ_86er

*oldsmobile alero....not intirgue, so sorry

recaro xfire

to all u guys out their i must give the credit to my buddies 96 2.4 dual over head cam sunfire! that thing is pretty damn fast
and i must say i can whoop an 82 to about 86 camaro and firebird 305 tbi and maybe tpi! i got an 1983 305 cfi exhaust 3 inch, decent cam, k and n, the whole ignition done. that sunfire beat me one night by a car length at 65 mpgh! but a week ago i finally beat him and i beat him bad! the only part i put on my car was a throttle positioner switch! i believe with this elevation in utah he runs 0-to 60 in about 8 seconds! by how bad i beat him i bet my car does 0 to 60 in 7.2 in utah! but u got to give credit for the dual overhead cam motor!

ImportsRsloths

You gotta give credit to onefine he relentelessy gives respect to the TBI! My only question is why? and yes i know that have "swirl port design heads (lol and i dont give a .... either)

MouseCamaro305

hey man lay off of onefine, so what if he likes TBI? its a decent injection system, it may not produce as much power as TPI from the factory but it's got some serious potential.....leave him alone

Camaro_hunter_d

well have you raced a turbo cavalier??? they haul *ss too... especially when they can run the same 20 PSI that TTA's run... Now build the motor up a little and add a 50 shot and you will fly hard core....

ONEFINE8T9

imports r sloths ur a palsy, o wow TPI cars usually only have about 20 HP difference on the TBI cars, big fu*kin deal. TBI is more reliable and less likely to break down. But this is all besides the point, i am not impartial to any injection system due to the fact that i have 2 cars with different injection systems. So what the hell makes u think your **** dont stink?? i havent seen many pics of your car, TBI,carb,TPI dont really matter if your car is just "another camaro". show me something that looks like more than just a 4000$ thirdgen if u can...


BTW thanx mousecamaro

FATZ_86er

onefine,
20hp isnt much, a 305 TBI is not pushing much more than 20hp over a busted old v6 multi port so i guess 20hp isnt that much. LMOA, Im sure you could get 20 more horses out of that TBI if you spilled $800 into some ultimate mods... I hear power mirrors and antena do wonders for horse power and torque, hell they might even give you as much as a damn setup of jap letters

Camaro_hunter_d

well since your comparing the 305TBI to others heres a story. After I finished polishing the ports on my 3.1/5 speed I can walk over my 91 305TBI/auto. From a dead stop it(the TBI 305) jumps then after I(the 3.1 MPFI) get to 2500-3k I pull and walk away quickly. I can pull all the way to the governor at 112-115. the 305TBI is a piece of junk motor, the only thing I can say for it is with 116K miles it still runs ok. But the 3.1 has 110-113K and it runs better... and gets better milage to boot.

ONEFINE8T9

fatz u have an lG4 dumb *** so your automaticlly out of this conversation with your 150hp beast, matter of fact its your motor thats 20hp more than a 3.1 not mine, stupid fuc.........

camaro hunter dont tell me about how ur magic head port job makes your 3.1 run any faster than a 16.9, any good running condition TBI 305 would walk your pathetic 3.1 anyday. man some people really **** me off, as if GM intended the 3.1 to be as fast as any of thier 5.0s go over to the v6 board and see what it takes for them to get out of the 17s

whiterocz

come on ladies, seriously, you have nothing better to do than bash each other on message boards? all this verbal abuse and bashin on "rice" is a big f_cking joke.

Camaro_hunter_d

Pathetic 3.1 huh?... Well I do walk all over this 305 TBI all day long. So unless you wanna come up here and get your *ss handed to you by this "pathetic" 3.1 go fu(k yourself. And by the way I will go faster then your LG4 POS engine and pass you again at the pumps so go have fun getting beat buy a 4 banger sunfire... I beat them how about you?. A female freind of mine has a '00 sunfire and I beat her all the time. Oh and BTW see also has an automatic...

So do us a favor and grow up. Or better yet get off the boards and take your ranting *ss with you.

Camaro_hunter_d

Oh and BTW there are 2 3rd gens still trin to beat me that have the 305TBI's in them. a 87 camaro and a 87(I think) Firebird. we raced before I did my mods and they could edge me out now they see my tails. LOL

now they are talking about getting headers so they can try to get faster.

[This message has been edited by Camaro_hunter_d (edited July 20, 2001).]

HrdRockA4305

Wow i never meant to start this....
I actually forgot i even posted this. Just for the record, my freind from work was running 16.1s at the strip in his all stock 98 cavalier Z24 auto, and i was there to see this. The N20 thing is like this. I'd seen the guy run the car before, and i was a terd. Its NOT a GT, its a base model. Plus the passengers (i was on the left side when we raced) said he heard it come on.The guys in my car weigh combined probably 400 pounds, which might've made the difference!

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88 Camaro (not an RS, or an IROC, justa camaro.)
305TBI/700R4/2.73
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

Camaro_hunter_d

And did we forget that the LG4/LO4's have a pathetic 160 or so ponies?... Hell my 3.1 has that STOCK. Now with the mods I have done I imagine I am near 170ish... Maybe... Next to get built by me is a custom intake to look like a mini ram set up... I am hoping to really open up the intake side of the motor. Course after that I need to make headers... another fun project. I am looking to get this motor to around 200 ponies with out the cam/lifters... I have seen many a fiero do this and hope to imatate it. After the cam I am hoping for 215-220. And whats after that? you ask, try building up the 4.3 Turbo I want to swap in. And no I don't want an 8 in the car.

FATZ_86er

Onefine,
When did I state that my lg4 carb sc w/ the auto was bada$$ get serious. It is one step away from the 6 but hey, I am aware of this. So suck my ****. My car is slow go and all show. I only wish I could be as cool as you and sport they power mods...damn

ONEFINE8T9

fats if u realize your car isnt fast than stop talking **** like u have something fast, BTW how are u gonna use an SC for a show car

camarohunter id love to ever see u at a red light around here, unfortuneately i never will, its worthless for me to drive to where u are to stomp a 3.1, what am i gonna do? brag about stomping a modded 3.1?? BTW the L03 has 170hp stock and enough torque to rip your "pathetic" 3.1 a new *** hole........

FATZ_86er

Onefine you are such an a$$, I never sayed my car was grease lightning nor did I say my car was a mint,but for my budget it is a gem. BTW you sure as hell talk allot of
**** for having a 305 TBI get real, I hate to say it but I think that a hoped up 3.1 with a little anger could very easily take you.

FATZ_86er

I cant stress this enough. I have never stated that the LG4 carbed auto was a horse & torque machine. However I do have a holley carb, edlebrock intake,KN filter,8mm, and a 3" flow maybe It will take 305TBI's all day but hey what cant... I should get some "ultimate mods"

Camaro_hunter_d

The TBI 305 has more torque huh??? then why is it that if I want to spin tires I can simply roll at 5 MPH and stomp it and I spin 1st, and around 10-15 feet in second with my "pathetic" 3.1. Now do that with the TBI and you'll not do it. I've tried. I have to Powerbrake to get the rear tires to break loose. I have tried everything to get the tires to spin with that 305TBI POS, I've tried 1st roll out then punch just like my "pathetic" 3.1 and the car falls on its face, hell it does'nt even jump like the 3.1.

I've been told by a few friends that I have raised the bumper close to 4 inches on a hard take off while spinning tires. Lets see that 305 do that.

NTChrist

Now, Onefine gets into trouble quite a bit (we've had to castrate him a few times on the TBI board), so I wasn't going to add something in his defence here. Until I saw the post about the 3.1 with more torque than a 305. Haha! What's even better is the description of you "raising the bumper 4 inches"! Haha!
Yeah, I've seen a lot of cars with 255 foot/pounds of torque "fall on their face"s in first, too.
V6's have their good points, but don't talk **** about their torque. We'll make you write a post about how you're gay. Right Onefine?

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No guts, no glory.

ONEFINE8T9

lol raised ur bumper 4 inches huh?? while spinning tires?? lol ok sure, whatever u say. Fats dont act like i am comeing down on poor little old you, u talk **** every chance u get and u have no reason to, any stock l03 would walk u easily.......

BTW i remember that post, becouse pablo is a XXXX

Camaro_hunter_d

Oh the 305 TBI's beat me huh?... is that why I took 200 bucks from a 88 firebird last night??? raced him 5 times... beat him 5 times... Go do yourself a favor and get lost. I know what my engine and car does. Now do I plan on getting it dynoed... yes eventually after I do some more stuff to it. I will probly do 5 or 6 pulls just to show what diffferent mods do for HP. Now as I said you can come on down here and I will hand you your a$$ when you play catch up. Now as I have said before I have a 5 speed and the way the shifting goes by the time I am less then halfway through 4th in a power run I have to let off cause I am in the govenors realm of 112-115.

I actually may go to the track one weekend just to see what this puppy does now... I would like to see it actually.

Camaro_hunter_d

I guess thats why my little "pathetic" 3.1 has also beaten out a couple 83?84? rustangs(not LX 4 bangers).. lost more then won but won a few none the less.

Adams87Camaro

OneFine shut up before anything dumber comes out of that mouth of yours, a Sport Coupe can look damn good, i have no problem with TBI's cause there as slow as the LG4's stock, but don't forget an LG4 has more potentional then the LO3. Don't camaro hate, cooperate.

PONTIMANIAC 90

TBI is a really horrible system. It sucks A$S and it's slow to boot. I'm not trying to flame TBI owners. After all you TBI guys didn't invent it, you just happen to have it, is all.
There is about 60hp difference between TBI and TPI, not 20.
For all intents and porposes a TBI is like a V6.
Personally, I can't see a stock TBI 3rdGen beat a Sunfire GT. There is a power-to-weight thing going on here.


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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear.
Dealer instaled:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(50), Harwood fiberglass hood,Original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch, Ported Plenum (???HP)
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html

ONEFINE8T9

typically TPI had 190 hp where as TBI had 170, thats not much difference. I am not one to "camaro hate" but when someone is playing don one of my cars becouse it has TBI i think i should state the obvious and tell the kid hes driving a SC and he has no reason to talk ****, hes not driving an iroc, hes not driving a Z28, hell hes not even driving a mint condition SC so if he dont want his little bubble bursted than he should stay out of it.....

please explain how the LG4 has more potential than L03?? they are both the same bottom end only yhe L03 has more of an efficent, responsive design than the Lg4, how would u figure one to have more potential than the other?

Camaro_hunter_d

I think onefine8t9 needs to go down to the bronx and get his a$$ handed to him by the street racers there driving the imports... Then he can see his "god" 305 TBI really perform and get left in a cloud of smoke and not even get to see the tail lights leaving him.

HrdRockA4305

Well, before this topic gets closed i just want to re-state some info. It was NOT a GT sunfire, it was a riced base sunfire. The reason we think he was spraying was because we have seen the car run WOT previously and it was a total turd, even compared to my car. My freinds 1995 V6 auto mustang stomped his *** I'll put it that way. I took the v6 stang by a 1/2 car lenght before we even got to the other side of the intersection when we had a go at a stoplight. So somethings was up. Plus also remember i had 450 lbs worth of freinds in the car at the time. I never meant for this to turn into a flame war, i almost regret posting this in the F----- first place. Grow up people.

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88 Camaro (not an RS, or an IROC, justa camaro.)
305TBI/700R4/2.73
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

Back-In-Black

But flame wars are so much fun! What else would us losers do with our time?

FATZ_86er

Onefine seriously dont make yourself look any dumber. I know for a fact that I myself have beaten several early 90's RS camaros. That doesnt say much for a TBI ecspecially coming from a LG4 Carb auto. I also feel that a GT Sunfire could easily take a 3rd gen in 1/8 but as far as the 1/4 goes I am doubting it.

90Iroc-Zee

Are you dumb? The malls open but noones shopping? Okay, the average horsepower for a TPI would be about 215. The 90-92's w/o G92 had 215 hp not 190, thats weaksauce 86-87 LB9's. And to let you know, I was driving my friends Sunfire (regular one) and those damn things can haul *** . Btw, a L03 doesn't run stock 15.7's. I had an L03 and ran a 15.5 @ 88 mph with 3.73's/headers/catback/freemods. If his is all stock, I'd put my money on the Sunfire GT. And if that GT had even an exhaust that would make it even more threatening to the L03. And the weight factor here? Those 2 door sunfires must weigh about 2700-2900 pounds compared to our hefty 3300. Plus he had two extra guys in his car? Man I don't even race with 2 people in my car knowing how slow my car is and thats with my TPI, racing with 2 other people in my old RS would probably run about a nice 16.6 @ 83mph stock. Not to mention those sunfires rev up to 5500rpms. That little quick ****er will be in 1st when your midway through 2nd.

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

giovanhalen

I think camarohunterd needs to race a sunfire gt not a sunfire and his heavy car with a little 6 in it will get smoked. He has so much power his tires smoke off the line which means the sunfire gt or cavalier Z24 will be off the line first and he aint catching up soon.

ONEFINE8T9

lets just say for exapmle u have 2 88 firebird formulas, both are auto only ones a TBI the others a TPI, there would only be a 20 hp difference there. I wasnt compareing the TBI to the G92 5 spd TPI, it isnt even a comparison, and i also did NOT say that the TBI is terror on the street, they are good reliable motors with plenty of room to grow, better than the LG4 any day.

i cant believe this is still an issue, i used to drive rand new sunfires all day long and my friends LG4/auto would wreck me every time, he could put it half way and still take me.