I've got almost 400 crank hp with my combo and will soon be getting a T56. Could it take a viper if he can't drive? Or are N20 or supercharging the only possible ways? There's this guy in my neighborhood with a viper who thinks he's the ****. I'd love to blow the **** out of his doors for 1/10 the cost. What do you guys think?

 

What engine do u have, and how much HP and TQ is his car making??

 

race him, even if he beats you, it may not be by that much and will leave him wondering what he just spent 65,000 bucks on...

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1986 Trans Am
305 TPI
"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
http://www2.hanover.edu/hierlmeier

 

If you want a total win. NOS would be the only way to go.

Well this will make you laugh a little.
I saw a viper and a 6 banger fiero in fake "ferrari dress" get into it at a stop light the fiero tore the vipers *** off the line.
How do i know the ferrari was a fiero kit?
Who owns a ferrari and shops a wal mart?
I talked to the guys old lady at walmart and she told me it was a fiero kit car.
SSC

 

Depends what type of viper we're talking about. But if you do race him, please do it on the block that came with your car. I'm tired of seeing people swapping to different blocks for power. If you can't beat a viper on your modified 350, then you can't beat him. I mean, if a Mazda MX3 can hit high 7s in the 1/4 on it's factory block than why can't we?

Even if your car is capable of taking him NA (viper gts), your car will hardly be very streetable and you won't be able to do it on street tires.


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91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

 

For the first time gotta agree with theformula

 

95 Viper RT/10 400hp 462tq 1/4mile 12.6@113
01 Viper RT/10 460hp 490tq 1/4mile 12.0@118

96+ 450hp Vipers are insanely fast.They can dip in the 11's with a good driver on the stock tires.(92-95's are no sloutches either)It takes some serious work for thirdgen to beat them.I used to beat a friends 95 with my stock internal 90 Vette from a stoplight,but he would hand my a$$ to me on the highway.A 400hp thirdgen 350 can et lower with traction,but wont hit the 120mph speeds,and will probably lose on the highway or from a roll.You are not saying enough about your combo though.

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1990 Trans Am GTA,Black/Black Leather,350,auto 3.23,Dual Cats,
SLP Package,SLP Torque Converter/Shift Kit,Fastchip,GSC's
G-tech 0-60 5.1 1/4mile 13.6@104
member www.transamgta.com
Previous Thirdgen
1986 Camaro IROC-Z

 

Even if you could get that kind of HP out of a SBC, getting torque like that and keeping it streetable becomes a different story.

Now dropping a big block into a third gen makes the cars a bit more compatable in power.

But like always, you can build a SBC engine to put out 600 HP. It'll probably do it at 7000 rpm. Driving on the street rairly gets over 3500 rpm and you'd have a hard time getting all that power to the ground anyway. A big block could easily make that kind of power under 5000 rpm where it can be used more.

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and check out the race car

87 IROC-Z Pro ET Bracket Race Car
383 stroker (carbed) with double hump cast iron heads and pump gas
461 Big Block installed and ready for the 2001 racing season

Best results before the 383 blew up
Best ET on a time slip: 11.857 altitude corrected to 11.163
Best MPH on a time slip: 117.87 altitude corrected to 126.10
Altitude corrected rear wheel HP based on power to weight ratio: 476.5
Best 60 foot: 1.662

Racing at 3500 feet elevation but most race days it's over 5000 feet density altitude!
Member of the Calgary Drag Racing Association

87 IROC bracket car, 91 454SS daily driver, 95 Homebuilt Harley

 

Very well said Stephen

 

I've beaten a couple with my TTA, from a stop and out on the highway.

Pete

 

I have the GM 350 HO with vortec heads. It comes with 330 hp by itself. I've added a 600 cfm double-pumper carb, an air-gap intake, an accel distributor, the super coil, msd 8.5 plug wires, summit high-flow air filter, hedman headers, and planning on a flowmaster catback and dynomax cat. It's by no means as fast as an 8.0L 400hp Viper, but I'd at least like to give him a good run.

 

Just do it to see how close you can get. Last year i was going to the mall and one came up to me at a stop light, I looked over reved, he just smiled. light turned green i took off with a cherp he has smoking through the intersection. saw him at the next light and yelled over, sorry i just had to see someone actually use the power, he replied glad i could help. It was a blast, i didnt stand a chance in hell but it was neat.

 

Fbird88, I put that engine in an IROC I had, had some work done on the heads, larger cam, 650dp, ect. ect. = around stock LS1 territory, i.e. nowhere near a viper. Your combo would be doing real well to pull 103-105 trap speed, compared to 113-118mph viper equals a real hurtin', give it shot though . . . never know

 

Who in the hell cares what "block" you have in your car? You losers that still are running with 305s are the only ones who care about keeping your blocks stock. (i am referring to people that have the financial capabiities for more cubes) If I beat someone and them tell him that my "block" isn't stock, do you think he is going to feel better?

Don't even race that viper if all you have is 300 hp. I figure you will be in the 13.50s. Hell, a viper has 335 mm rears on it. It will make you look like a fool unless you get a 150 plate system and some et streets.

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1991 Firebird
350 L98 (was a 305 TBI)
T-5 transmission
Edelbrock TES and cat back
Accel manifold
NOS
subframes
jegster torque arm
MSD Digital 6
AFPR
Lakewood lcas
Hurst linelock
SLP cam (206 212 .480 .486)
relocated battery
cold air
Hypertech chip
centerforce clutch
poly bushings and mounts
AFR 190s
Harland sharp 1.5 rockers
a/f gauge
autopower rollbar

14.0 at 100 NA before heads


Juice and AFRs??......TBD

New g-tech time without juice 13.46 at 108.8

 

Theformula - I have no clue why you came out with that non-original block bull. Hell, thats half the fun of building up cars. Im building a up a 350 for my 91RS right now...sure, its not the original 305 in it anymore...but i guarantee when i spank a $40,000 2001 SS (when im all done) im not gonna be saying to myself, "darn, if only it was the original block" And i highly doubt hell be laughing at me saying "haha, you had to put a new block in to beat me"...what hell be saying is "holy ****, a 10 year old car that cost less then half the price of my car just kicked my *** "

 

Talking about Vipers, check out the latest issue or Motor Trend. Hennessey's come out with the Viper Venom 800. No, the gut wrenching 650hp of the Venom 600 wasn't enough for Mr. Hennessey, so he went and twin turboed the Viper's V10 to produce and ungodly 833hp and 90ft/lbs of torque. That's right folks, 833hp and 902lbs of torque. I have no idea how the heck a street car manages to put all that power to the pavement. MT wasn't able to road test the car but Hennessey's people extracted a 9.99sec 1/4 mile pass from it with a 137mph trap speed. Guess how much time, or litle time, it takes from 0-60mph. 3.2 seconds on street tires and a mad 2.4 seconds on cheater slicks. Can anybody here even imagine being rocketed from 0-60 mph in 2.4 seconds. I can't. I bet it's enough to make your innards hurt.

Man, I swear this Hennessy dude is crazy. We need more people like him in the world.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

 

Yes, the funny thing about the article was that some guy came upto them bragging how his 11 second ride would "easily smoke the viper". I would have had my wallet out before he finished speaking putting on the biggest wager of my life.

Remember. No matter how fast you are, thre's always someone faster. I've seen faster road cars than the Hennesey before. Damn, I want one.

However, it is interesting that they are estimating the top speed to be only 230 mph. To me this makes it acceptable for going to the gun store 4 states away just to get the special high velocity rounds that my local place is out of....just because I feel the need to shoot the poor. The Sledgehammer corvette by Callaway that can travel an amazing 255mph on the road. Now that's what I call impressive. However, I have plans within the next ten years to beat that. I'll post to let you all know when I'm about to kill myself in the fastest thing that I have ever been in that isn't made by Boeing.

Robert

 

Imagine being rocketed from 0-60 in 2.4 seconds??? Been there, done that Get a sportbike. Stock trim will get you there that quick...however it is a different feeling then a car. I have to say that 2.4 seconds worth of pure torque would probably feel quite amazing...but nothing quite like a bike.

 

I think the viper is a nice ride but purely out of my wallets reach,as for your thirdgen beating it,dont waste your gas,the prices are too high ,but really,if your car is not in the 12s then there is no sense,put her on the bottle and you might do ok.As for the OE block stuff,who cares,i think if you have a 305 and its running 13s then that is sweet but to me the 350 is the best bang for your buck,what is the hp difference betwwen a stock 305 and 350 of the same year,about 40hp(?),that can be made up although with a few simple mods,but when i build a motor my 305 will be gone and a 350 in its place,i think that is the smartest move,in my opinion the thirdgens were not meant for drag racing but for autocross,just my opinion.

 

I saw the Viper in MT too, damn impressive for a street car. Then again it was a $150k car when they were all done, which is damn expensive for even a 9 second ride. I that the problem with cars that fast appearing in widely distributed magazines is the fact that rich guys buy them as status symbols. Or in other words, they never get run as fast as they should because the weiner behind the wheel doesn't want to kill himself, but will talk all sorts of $hit about how fast his car is. I remember two years ago at Englishtown there was a yo-yo (and I'm being nice) with a brand new Viper coupe. I parked two spots away from this guy who had a crowd around him oogling the car and up his @ss. The guy was talking trash about how the Camaros and Firebirds can't compete with a car like his... This was during Hi-Tech Day too. I saw the guy run a 12.3 at 117mph before I ran my car. I then cranked out a 12.2 at 122mph and rolled back into the pits, parked the car and went over to the guy and asked him what he ran (to bust his chops) he told me and asked me what I ran, I showed him the slip. He picked the other car by mistake and said "14.5 at 96mph, not bad". I said look at my car (at the number) and he saw the time and speed. He didn't say a word. The next round he could have lined up next to me at the line, he pulled in after me. I guess he was afraid to lose to a "Camaro".

Not like I could beat the Hennessey, but I had to vent.

Oh yeah, 137mph is not 830hp, more like 700 in a car the Viper's weight, unless Hennessey uses the typical ***** dynamometer to get his figures.

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Paul Huryk, billionare in training.
Monkey Guy Racing
Almost part of the moderately infamous NJ in-your-face all goomba crew

Do it right the first time.

Paul's home page

1985 IROC LG4 POS Best: 15.20s at 92.1mph
1984 Camaro 350 LG4 Best: 12.21s at 121.7mph

The smart person pays for something today so that more is received tomorrow.
The ignorant person gets something today and hopes to have enough money to pay for it tomorrow.

 

Hehe nice story Paul, I just wish my TA could hand a Viper his as$ on a plate.

I live in NJ too maybe you want to race my stock TA sometime

-Max

 

Paul, it was 833 at the flywheel. Only 700 something at the wheels. What Hennessey has done is impressive, but I really think he could do so much more. There are single turboed vipers pushing near 1500 HP. They have the boost way up. Anybody hear about Hennessey going up against a 9.xx supra? I've been reading about it. Can't wait to see that race.

 

http://www.supraforums.com/cgi-bin/u...c&f=1&t=001300

My moneys on Hennessy....he has too much damn money and too much to lose. He wouldn't let the Viper V10 (america's bad *** ) lose to an Import with 4 less cylinders (when both are turbo'd). His reputation is on the line waaaay more than the other guy's.

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89CamaroRS
Power Rating: 1.21 Jigowatts
Mods:Flux Capacitor
Future Plans: Time Travel

 

TriGenRS

I'm e-mailing John to find out what is happening with that race. I'll let you all know what the reply says.

Rob

 

My dad has a 97 Viper GTS but I can't get him to even let me drive it let alone race. I think he's still pi$$ed cause I beat is other baby (82 Stingray). Hopefully, when/if he agrees I'll be able to post a video of a couple of passes. He'll probably toast me but oh well, I didn't spend 65+ on my car

http://www.geocities.com/ssgtmcmichael/Viper.html

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A Viper will always be faster than a 3rdGen, all things being equal. Whatever you do to your 350 IROC or TA, if you do similar mods to a V10 Viper, the Viper will win every-FU@KING-time.And if you got an exotic Big Block in your 3rdGen than it's not exactly a 3rdGen, in its true form anymore, now is it?


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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear, Dealer:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(46), Harwood fiberglass hood,original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch.
1999 Lexus GS 400 everyday car(It's a V8 so its not Rice)
1987 Voyager Minivan. Cost me $300=runs like new.No repairs for over 2 years(fingers crossed)
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html

 

I am going to find this veary thing out soon, but dont realy think I will win. A guy down the street from me has a Viper GTS ACR that he roadraces on the weekends it is 460hp and is lighter than my car but I have 500hp on the n2o it will be fun if I get the car running again in time (2 weeks).

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1991 Z28 ZZ4 with LPE superram base, SLP runners, LPE 58mm T-body,Random Technology ramair,TES headers,24#svo injectors,and just about every other bolt on that there is. Just got a ZEX nitrous kit!

 

Good luck, ,and make sure she is tuned to a tee or your toast.

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www.rearman.com/camarokid.htm

If it aint a V-8 that $hit aint fast!,unless its a GN,lol!

305 tpi,700r-4 with shift kit,My mods are minimal,just a bunch of little $hit.Anyone know where to get underdrive pulleys for a v-belt set up?

 

Of course mod for mod a larger V10 that came stock with 400+ HP is gonna be faster than a 350 V8 that came stock with 240 or so. But be real, 80k for the Viper 4k for a 3rd gen and then that leaves you with 76k to build one bad motor for the 3rd gen. Spend 10k right and I'm sure you can go faster than the 80k Viper and still have a sweet car that cost hardly anything compared to the Viper. And as far as big block under hood its still a 3rd gen no matter whats under the hood. Personally I would love to see a bunch of 3rd gen's putting a stomping on some Vipers.

Jess

 

I tried to line up against a viper at our local track, but never got the oppurtunity. He was running 12.3@116 I ran a 12.1@118. He asked me what I had and I told him just a 350 and he didnt say anything else. I wish that engine had not droped a vavle. I wasnt even finished moding it yet. I would have liked to have seen some 120+ trap speeds, and some 130+ trap speeds on the bottle(which was almost all the way installed before she blew).

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1989 Irocz
350 T-5

 

Slap in a Ramjet 502... That'll help the cause!!! for less than 10 grand, too. then, build'er up!!! Another 10 grand will get you some serious mojo...

 

A guy down the street has a viper it looks like a 93 or a 94 (it has the side pipes which weren't available after 94). The town I live in only has a 22,000 population and basically NO FAST CARS other than his and a couple vettes. I just got my engine and exhaust and suspension all done up. He is your typical viper driver (rich guy with not too much knowledge on cars that thinks the more expensive car is ALWAYS the faster). So I am REALLY hoping to pull up to a light against him because I could probably give him a really good run for his money. The vette that had this engine before me which was an 88 vette had a best run of 12.2 on street tires his exhaust was more restrictive than mine and his tranny was identical to mine other than i have a 3000rpm stall and he had a 2800rpm stall. I am hopeing that with the extra weight my car has to mabey get some mid - high 12's. Which should be good enough to be some real competition for him. From the way the guy looks and from what I have heard from people who have talked to him he has no race experience what so ever and probably couldn't shift his way out of a wet paper bag. You guys think I might have a chance?

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Karsten
86 IROC-ZZ4... too much to list.

 

it doesnt matter on how much hp u make at the crank its how much u make at the rear wheels