BigRogZ28

Ok, so I know it doesn't have anything to do with a 3rd gen Camaro, but a Camaro nevertheless. I'm personally just worried that this new engine for the Stang is going to really hurt the new Camaro. Does anyone agree with me? Plus what do you think Chevy and or GM is going to do to combat this new Stang engine? Anything?

kerplunk318

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I have read a couple write ups and the general consensus is that the camaro is more powerful but a little bit heavier. This camaro (assuming its an ss) beats the stang on the straight away but loses some ground in the turns.

BigRogZ28

That is the new 2011 Mustang with that new 5.0L your talking about right? I'm no Mustang fan by a long shot, but the engine does seem to be a potent match for a 2010 SS. Not making as much hp, but close, plus it weighs a lot less.

d00012

The new Z28 will be coming out soon. IIRC, it has more power than the SS.

92firebird 305

I have read all about both of them the camaro ss is still better ford is geting better tho the v6 mustang will be right along with the v6 camaro but still the camaro rules them both

J91

It's all speculation until the cars are out and run together. Articles and internet ads do not add up to real life testing and racing. At this point, it's anyones ballgame...

BigRogZ28

Thanks everyone, I'm put to ease after hearing everyone else's thoughts and opinions. Forever Chevy, Forever Camaro!

d00012

What about Pontiac!?

I read an article (forgot the magazine), but they tested the Camaro, Challenger, and 2011 Mustang....they preferred the Mustang due to it's better handling/braking and fuel economy. The Camaro was the fastest of the three. Just wish I could remember that magazine.

J91

I wish you could too! The mustang has definitely shed some lbs, w/ that engine..

mymonkey562

i forgot what issue it was but i know it was on magazine called hotrod.
i think it was march issue

iroc stangs

iv learned a little about the 2011 stang but know more about the 2010 camaro but i honestly sadily think the stang will have it by an bit but nothing that diffrent drivers couldnt change. but i really doubt chevy will let the mustang have it for more then a yr i see probaly a bit of weight reductions and exhuast upgrades soon from the fac.

BigBadGTA

2011 stang will rape a ss camaro. The Mustang is lighter, is more nimble, and even when it was a 4.6 was almost as fast as the heavy camaro. now it has 100 HP more, and better suspention and brembo brakes.. It eats SS for breakfast. My dad has a 05 Mustang GT, and believe me those cars are not to be ****ed with.

Shadygrady

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The newer run of the mill GTs are not very fast or powerful.I`ve run a few and they`re really no faster than my car in their stockish form.Modded or cobras are pretty bad but the`re not,not to be f ed with.Seen many embarrassed at the track and on the street by cars they were sure they would beat!I`m sure the new 5.0 will be a force to be reckoned with but I`m sure GM has plenty more LS tricks up their sleeve lol.Sure this thread will be locked soon as well.

v10viper04

Not true at all. According to a mag either Car&Driver or Road&Track ( forget which) the SS is faster in a straight line than the new 5.0 Stang GT. the stang handles better though. Mustangs are overrated and there are TOO MANY OF THEM! My car pulls the 05-10' stangs all day long. I don't destroy them but i beat them. Chevy will be ruining the new 5.0 motor with something new soon. Won't take long. The Mustang has been behind the Camaro in power for the past 40 years, whats another year to Ford? I think the new stangs look awful anyways. lol Sounds like i hear a Mustang lover over there. haha

ShMaCk2004

I slap 4.6s and older 5.0s in the face all day. Once I get LS6 heads, cam, and intake I'll slap that new 5.0 in the face too.

d00012

Car & Driver. Camaro has wider tires that push it to 13 flat in the 1/4 mile. The Mustang was only .3-.4 seconds slower in the 1/4. 0-60 was dead even. I think a .95g for the Mustang on the skid pad. Didn't see the Camaro.

2011 Z28 will be out soon, supposedly. Supposedly, it has the S/C 6.2L from the CTS-V (556hp / 551lbtq). Lots of "supposedly's" but they were working on the Z28 before the whole bankruptcy nonsense. Should put the GT500 in it's place, too.

iroc stangs

i just got the car&driver mg with the shootout, basic peformance specs for both camaro - tested price 36,465, 3860lbs, 14mpg, 426hp, 420tq, 0-60: 4.6, quarter-13.0, top speed 157, 70-0 braking 161, 0.90 g skidpad, front: 245/45zr-20 103y rear: 275/40zr-20 106y.

mustang 2011 gt - tested 32,980, 3580lb, 15mpg, 412hp, 390tq, 0-60 4.6, quarter mile 13.2, top speed 146, 70-0 153, 0.94 g skidpad, tires front: 255/40zr-19 rear: same.

fly89gta

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No offense but they're not fast by today's standards....

The new 5.0=win....very high potential

The 4.6...eh....in stock form they're not great...high 13's? Maybe it's fast compared to our cars(and old technology) but by today's standards....eh...

I'm really curious to see what the 5.0 does once more are out there, broken in and modded.

IROCThe5.7L

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVVzt2QfS7E

CamaroIROC88350

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The SS should be able to handle the Mustang 5.0 but then again, it depends on all kinds of circumstances. In the perfect environment I think it will be close but the SS will come out winning straight ahead. The Z28 Camaro will come out in late 2011 and it will have the same engine as the newer CTS-V's with over 550 HP & 540 ft. of torque. Plus it'll be lighter too.

kd5icr

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I am just glad to see amarican cars get back in the game. I am Chevy all the way, but to see both gettin busy, is a nice change. It is high time to tell the tree huggers to climb a tree rather than hug it. There is nothing like an amarican made, ill mannered, over powered, gas chugging hot rod, no matter who makes it.

v10viper04

Can't wait for the 2011 Z28 to come out and put the Mustang in its grave yet again. I guess giving Stang boys the glory for a short while is ok with me, i mean they have been behind Chevy for over 40 years. lol But its still funny that in a straight line the Camaro still wins. Kinda ridiculous to think how much heavier cars hove gotten, its all those creature comforts. Even the stangs are over 3500 lbs with no driver.....

fly89gta

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Where are you guys getting that the SS owns the new 5.0 in the straights? There have been quite a few to breaking into the 12's in stock form, just like the SS

The Z28 also is more of a GT500 competition, not a regular GT.

Kydwykkyd

Actually in EVERY comparassion test ive read and seen the mustang comes out on top. I dont remember who got these numbers but i remember reading the 5.0 doing 0-60 in 4.4 and the 1/4 in 12.7, whereas the SS had 0-60 in 4.7 and the 1/4 in 13 flat. These new 5.0 seem basically like a terminator cobra.

Also Ford only claimed 412hp and 380lb ft. trq. Many dyno test proved 430hp and 404trrq range. All for 31 grand, quite the bang for the buck.

d00012

From Car&Driver...they said the Mustang's rear tires were too thin, and if they put a wider profile on there, it would definitely come on top.

morbital

you know, iVe been seeing plenty of Videos, articles, blogs about this subject. and both claimed camaro wins, and stang wins.. but both are handicapped.. which makes it unfair.. like a stang and a maro doing the quarter and race on both automatics.. obiously the stang will win.. the only reason is because the auto in the camaro has 400 hp and low axle gears,y? gm made that purposely for MPG's, compared to the stang it has i think 3.7 rear gears and a nice six speed.. but to really make it fair.. race both cars on the drag and in the track. both haVe the same gears in the axle, gears in manual tranny would be specilty of both companies, slap some decent meat in the rears, and haVe pro driVers. now THAT would be a race people would pay to see.. if done that, people would know who is king and make the guessing game be oVer with.. then maros and stangs will join forces and slap all the euro's, ricers, wanna be's and anything who isnt american made.
theres a s/c z? about time we compete with the s/c cobras and gt500. cuz im tired or all the complains about an ss and cobra not being fair due to its forced induction adantage bla bla blah... it NEVER ends dont it..?! but then again, we got the LS9 Vette,and the ZR1.

also i would like to see a 3rd gen ls6 Vs. a new stang.. since a ls6 has about the same power as the new 5.0, a really awesome competition!! wonder who will win THAT on..

Realmac4

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Yea but the only prob with the new Z if it does come out with the V motor it will be hyper expensive, most of us will never see one, and also heard rumor they will be collector cars, not sure about that one, just hear-say, and everyone if right, wait till they hit the streets and see how they fair.

Realmac4

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I have a '05 CTS-V, LS6, and I will be on the hunt for one, just to see how they run.

Kydwykkyd

Yes a supercharged z28 would be awesome. Then Ford will defintantly have to make the new boss. Suposidly the boss should be out in 2014 (mustangs 50th ann.) with a 6.2 that makes 540hp n/a. Sounds unlikely to me but they already have a 5.0 with 430hp so who knows, also rumores that they might supercharge that engine. Now if dodge can make a supercharged challeneger then we have another war with supercharged engines.

fly89gta

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Guys, for now a 2nd time, the Z28's target isn't the GT, it's for the SVT cars. Lets compare apples to apples here.

zraffz

I just saw a video of the SS vs the new 5.0 vs the SRT8 Challenger. The Challenger got raped, the 5.0 had a better launch and took the Camaro in the 1/4 but the Camaro was defiantly running him down.

bigred75

the camaro will be getting a little upgraded coming soon either 2011 or 2012 i believe is wat they said the camaro will lose some weight and be offerd with forced induction. the camaro will wipe the ponies butt.

fly89gta

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The only Camaro getting forced induction is the Z28, which again, isn't aimed and the GT.

89fbirdformula

Lmao at all the misinformation in this thread, its easy to tell who has severe GM brand loyalty, and ignorance to anything else.

that said, the new 5.0 2011, flatout rapes the '10 camaro in every way., these 5.0s are in the 10s with a STUPID HIGH mph with nothing but a tire/cai/gear and small shot of N20. thats IMPRESSIVE.


My Fiance owns a '10 ss/rs...so yeah...

if i had to choose one being given to me, id take the mustang...
if it were my own cash buying one, id BUY the camaro...

Tony89GTA

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Sorry guys but the new 5.0 mustang is just sick, it will own the camaro unless it can transform or something

v10viper04

Wait wait wait, so you call misinformation but yet your spew incorrect information from your mouth as well? Your talking about modding the new 5.0.. The Camaro can be modded too ya know..
" these 5.0s are in the 10s with a STUPID HIGH mph with nothing but a tire/cai/gear and small shot of N20. thats IMPRESSIVE." Um yea i don't think so... 13 to a 10 with just those minimal mods? I highly doubt it. Thats like having over 600+hp plus I don't know of anyone/any company who owns one to be able to test that theory to begin with. According to the sources (Car&Driver, Road&Trac, etc.) the stang out handles in cornering G's and braking, the camaro has a faster slalom speed and does the 1/4 and 0-100 faster. O and the Camaro looks better. And yes i do think this new Ford engine is a new marvel but realistically they are only catching up to GM once again... FINALLY their **** motors are getting the technology they deserve and the hp they have so desperately needed for such a long long time. I'm impressed with it yes but at the same time its just old news, technology allows this kind of hp on a smaller engine now. Me personally i like the idea of having more cubes to start with. General rule of thumb "More cubes=more power potential". Sorry man but i really don't know what to think about what you said. I'm keeping this civil. I don't agree with you.

89fbirdformula

aparently you need to actually read and research BEFORE you reply to someone.

there are THREE companys who have 2011 5.0s in the 10s right now, with gear/cai/tire/small shot of nitrous. try googling JPC performance, or evolution performance...

and i can tell you right now, a 2010 camaro WONT run in the 10s, with the same ****....i own one.

its ok though, i forgive your ignorance kid.

Tony89GTA

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Couple of links for your reading injoyment.

http://www.stangtv.com/forum/jpc-rac...ond-6856.html#

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...10s/index.html

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34884

J91

Ignorance is bliss! Stick around this website and you will see alot of members who are just plain ignorant, as to what is really happening out there. Don't take these people seriously, I can tell you firsthand it isn't worth the time or energy. Let them live in the bubble of bliss!

89IrocZ350TPI

lol @ who ever said the 05 gts were fast.



Here is an ls1 owning a 2011 5.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fo3KHupBM

v10viper04

So i'm the kid? Did you read the articles? The car is not stock anymore, modified suspension/ weight reduction/ power adder/ race setup/aluminum drag wheels/Hours on hours on a dyno and your going to call me ignorant? Sounds like your the Ford fanboy here. I expressed my attitude towards the new mustang motor. Its great but its merely catching up to GM. Take what they did to that new stand and put it on a Camaro. I'll bet if it doesn't beat the stang it won't be far behind. I give props that the new stang went that fast but its not something the new Camaro can't do. What are you trying to prove? That your smart b/c you have only 50 posts? Come on man, really....

d00012

How about we all agree Ford made the new 5.0 to increase its sales? Ever since the LSx platform, Ford has been limping in the STOCK performance. Any modded motor will perform nicely and shouldn't be considered in this debate of STOCK vehicles right off the assembly line.

If you want to include modifications, consider the price per horsepower gain. Compare the aftermarket prices, not the outcomes because either way, both can do 10s and quicker with the right mods. Come on people, lets use some common sense.

v10viper04

d00012

Also, it's a 2010 Camaro vs. a 2011 Mustang. If that's not Ford trying to catch up, I don't know what is. Who knows, maybe GM will decide to upgrade the 2011 at the last minute? It's too early to tell, and never will be until both companies are long gone, THEN we can debate on who had the better pony car. There will always be a better one.

Tony89GTA

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If you want to talk stock for stock lot of times I been seeing on the mustang forums they been getting high 12's, believe the camaro's are mostly getting low 13's.

d00012

Really all depends on track conditions, driver, if it's 100% stock or they put wider tires, different filters. It's all hearsay. You can't believe everything you read until you experience it yourself.

I saw a video on youtube showing a 5.0 mustang running, yes running, not walking, away from a 6.2 camaro. The camaro driver had a poor reaction time and didn't get on it like the mustang driver, or maybe it really was that fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqb...eature=related

This debate is all about personal preference right now until one of us has legit and scientific evidence, not biased info.

ZONES89RS

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I murdered a new stang on the street last weekend in a stock 6.0 truck engine with a cam, i was not really impressed, the only advantage it has is the lighter body over the camaro and it comes out of the box with heads that cannot get much better, and headers. So, there is not much room to grow, the new camaro can make about 500 RWHP on motor and the upgrades are out there. but, they are still fat pigs.

fly89gta

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v10viper04, no offense dude but you're flat out wrong.

The 5.0 Mustang is flat out faster(and no, I'm by NO means a Ford fanboi). It is what it is. Granted the automatic and whatever low gears they have would probably lose to a SS, but the manual with the performance rear....the SS WILL see tail lights. That one youtube video is one video with a car that wasn't even broken in.

The fact is the 5.0>SS for right now. People can deny it all the want, be loyal to GM and blah blah blah, the facts are what they are. Pound for pound a 5.0 is a bit faster, not by much mind you but average it out and it's a bit faster.

That's about as non-biased as I can get considering I hate Ford

BigRogZ28

Ok, obviously I need to remind people to STOP TAKING **** SO PERSONAL! Geeze, let's debate about the cars, not who said what about who's brother's mama's illegitimate child for whatever screwed up reason or another, or who doesn't know crap. I started the thread because I wanted to know what you guys thought of "that this new engine for the Stang is going to really hurt the new Camaro. Does anyone agree with me? Plus what do you think Chevy and or GM is going to do to combat this new Stang engine? Anything?"
Unless your going to be civil, and debate things with proof, and not argue, please don't reply. Thanks

v10viper04

Ok for one you are WAY of base if you think the new Stang only had gears, CAI, DR's and a small shot of nitrous to run that fast. Can you read man? The second link that was posted on page one of this thread talks about them putting on custom chassis pieces and getting the car set up for a drag car, DR's on it, the took out the passenger seat and replaced the drivers seat, put new wheels all the way around. Can you read? I think your the ignorant one. I think the new 5.0 is finally a ford engine worth a ****, but i personally think the Camaro has a better building platform. More aftermarket(by FAR), more cubes to begin with, if it was lighter then it would be right there with the mustang. Maybe i'll be wrong when the aftermarket catches up, who knows but i do know your talking out your @ss thinking you know mod for mod. Also did you watch the youtube vid that was posted? Pretty funny... I think your caught up in the "New 5.0 craze". Its only catching up to LS technology. Also it gets worse highway than the GM LS7 making 505 hp that's been documented(by private owners) to go 30mpg highway and more. You really act like you know everything, its sad. I contributed to this thread, you came on here blasting the Camaro, what reaction do you think you'll get on here? An F-BODY FORUM....