MY friends LT1 Caprice with 160k on the clock runs very low 14.6's at the track. And its stock. Its quite impressive for a car that weighs in at over 4000lbs. I would agree with you though.

 

cobalts run much better than people give them credit for. you can hurt alot of feelings in one

 

thats weird...atleast 99 huh. Im not ragging you but ive been messing with lt1s and thirdgens since 1998. When I was BONE STOCK i trapped 97mph in my formula with a 2.0 60 foot. Its all on how the condition of the car is. I guaran-dam-te most bone stock lt1's will not trap 99. I trapped 100mph with intake exhaust and 373s, and my formy only have 87k on it. But like i said i trapped either 97 or 98 with my BONE stock cobalt, it is a drivers race whether you want to believe it or not. I also have a video of me pulling on my friends t/a with intake, exhaust, tuner cats tune, lt4km, airfoil, and i think thats it...oh and 6 speed. We raced from a 40 roll and it was dead even, all i had was intake and exhaust.

Both cars roughly have the same power. Most lt1's dyno at around 240ish and my cobalt dynoed at 210 bone stock, you have to take into consideration a 500-600 pound wait advantage for the cobalt so it about equals the two cars out. Idk for what reason gm would underrate the cobalt its not like the fbodys which they underrated to keep people buying corvettes though we all know now they have the same power.

 

And to whoever said the turbo cobalts are on par with lt1s in badly badly misinformed. The turbo balts are torque monsters. They trap atleast 103-104 bone stock. With a tune and intake they make roughly 300 to the wheels, look it up. A turbo balt will destroy a stock lt1. Trust me.

 

you seem way to impressed with your own car to read past your own personal results with LT1s. did you not read that my ex-GFs BONE STOCK auto Formula went 14.0 at 100mph? i have several other examples from my own personal cars or friends rides:

- my old bone stock 93' Corvette 6speed went 13.3 at 107mph. dynoed 266rwhp and 306rwtq

- a friends bone stock 95' Z28 6speed went 13.8 at 102mph. with just a catback and a LT4 knock module it dropped to 13.5 at 104mph

- my ex's 94' auto Formula bone stock ran 14.0 at 100mph. with a catback, CAI, free mods, and DRs, it ran a 13.2 at 103mph. again, that car has 120k miles on it

- GMHTP (well, back then they were called HTP) got a bone stock 96' SS 6speed to run a 13.3 at 107mph

one more time... no stock SC/SS cobalt will run with any of the stock times i posted for LT1s (in bold). a TC/SS cobalt, however, is in that performance range

i dont know whats up with the LT1s youre familiar with, but compared to the ones ive experienced, theyre seriously down on power

 

Now i know your full of ****. NO ****ing lt1 is trapping 107 stock thats just dumb. You think what you want but im not ****ing blind maybe 1 or 2 lt1s i raced were a lil down on power but not all ****ing 6 of them. And you are pretty near me i have friends with stock cobalt sc and tc i will show you what they can do if you would like to get a stock lt1 to run them. Not trying to talk **** but this seems like the only way i can get something through your head.

 

calm down, theres no need for profanity. its only an internet discussion after all

youre friends must not be able to drive very well. my stock corvette always trapped 106/107 in good air. and GMHTP got the SS to trap 107mph as well, so my time cant be a fluke. are your friends cars all autos? cause a well driven 6speed can be up to a half second and 3 - 4 mph quicker than a similar bone stock car with an auto. perhaps its the track and conditions i run in (cecil county dragway in the early spring/late fall to take advantage of the good air). what i can tell you is that any stock LT1 that cant at least trap 99mph should be checked out

if you want to race me, or show me what any of your cars can do, im going down to cecil this Sat the 18th. bring your cobalt or any other cars if you want. however, i dont have an LT1 to show you as i no longer own that corvette, and all my friends have gotten out of racing long ago. i am, though, potentially purchasing a 150k mile 94' Formula after i go to the track. its got light boltons (Hooker shorty headers and catback, K&N CAI), and after i go through the car, i should have some performance figures for it sometime later this year

 

My apologies that just got me heated. I personally here at atco raceway have never ever seen a stock lt1 trap any high then 101 and that was through a 6speed and slicks.

 

Well damn its getting hot and heavy here. Now for the killer. If you all want I have video of me racing my friends 98 T/A (LS1) in my Balt. Just so you all understand. We raced at least 12 times that night and consistently from a dig he would only beat me by 3 to 4 cars. From a 40mph roll it was dead even where once I pulled a car ahead most times ran dead even and once he edged a nose on me.

Now mind you thats an ls1 with 3.42 gears. And I would love to see the argument start up about lt1's being faster than ls1's. Anyone? Want to start that flame war?

So if ls1 beats lt1 and my balt only loses by 3 cars it sounds like balts will run with lt1's. Or am I being crazy?

 

street races prove nothing. its rycer logic to say "i ran car A on the street and only lost by "X" lenghts, so that means i must be as fast as car B cause they had the same results against car A"

go to the track and see what both cars E/T and mph. thats the only way to compare performance. stock SC/SS cobalts typically run mid 14s, while stock LT1 fbodies typically run high 13s

what year is your Cobalt and what mods does it have? cause no Cobalt, especially the SC ones, is taking a LS1 car stock vs stock

and for the record, i never said stock LT1s were faster than stock LS1s

 

Few things i agree and dissagree with. Of course no stock balt is keeping up with a stock ls1, when i was stage 2 only i got beat by about a car and half from a 40 roll. I would say here at atco stock fbodies run low 14's some yes do get into the 13's. But a good driver and the cobalt will go low 14's just like i did after a little practice

 

thats why i said "typical" for both vehicles.

i believe you that a well driven, stock, SC/SS Cobalt can go low 14s

but on the flip side, a well driven stock 6speed LT1 can do better than a high 13

either way, this topic seems beaten to death about now. if anyone wants more info on the quickest stock LT1s, visit this link:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt...stock-lt1.html

 

agreed, but i do remember saying it would be a good race with the edge going to the lt1

 

Wow, talk about hate in here, I'll throw my two cents in, whether for good or bad.

Sure the Cobalt SS may not be the best car ever to roll off the GM lines but it's still a good, very capable little car. They get up and scoot, handle fairly well and I've consistantly knocked down 29-31 mpg all summer, bone stock. It's a very fun little car, sure beats driving some base model econobox. Mine has 47k on it and is still running good as day one, original clutch and everything, and I don't drive it lightly. It's true they get a bad name, but every car probably has some sterotype associated with it.

Now, I've never run either car at a track but just seat of the pants driving I believe my TA wouldn't give my Cobalt much of a fight. The Cobalt does start to fall off up higher but so does my TA. They are 2 completely different cars with completely different feels, the 20+ year difference is definitely very noticeable.

Just outta curiousity though, since everyone is so numbers driven, what is 1/8 mile time in a stock Cobalt SS/SC and stock L98 3rd gen? I've had my '69 C10 at an 1/8 mile strip and wonder how it would stack up.

 

I know this thread is a little old, but I gotta say my cobalt isn't the best constructed vehicle ever.. but I really do like my car quite a bit, my 08 Cobalt SS with the turbo is a pretty quick car.. 260hp stock for a small car like that isn't too bad.. I'm not gonna rant about who my car can or can't beat..

and I can't speak for the SS/SC.. but the SS/TC is a pretty fast car.. and still gets 30mpg on the interstate, I have an 83 Camaro and my Cobalt.. the Cobalt may be faster.. but I would choose to drive my Camaro any day of the week over the Cobalt if I could.

I'm not hating on anyone here.. I can appreciate any car for what it is.. and the cobalt in stock form is a decent car.. the SS is peppy.. but they were never meant to be the fastest car on the road.. they are a sporty little economy car.

P.S. when the switched to the turbo on the cobalt they switched to direct injection which made the engine more reliable.. and went to a better clutch.. cheers!

 

LOL, damn coblats... I raped the hell out of a stickered up black ss about a month ago. 500 stickers, giant wing and fart can. Must have really upset the poor boy when he tried to pass, with his gf laughing when I jumped several lengths on him when I heard his fart can get real loud, let off while he was still on it, let him get to my door and jump lengths on him again. So he slams on the brakes and pulls behind me "drafting" I guess. So I slow down to 55 on the highway to troll him into trying to flyby me. I think he knew better so i just drove 55 untill the exit I wanted. I am a troll IRL too.

 

For what it's worth in the discussion, I killed a black Cobalt SS SC last month on the highway with my 91 L98 GTA. The only obvious mod on it was an aftermarket exhaust (not a fartcan though).
Me and my buddy were just cruising about 65-70 when he blew by doing about 85. Needless to say I've been waiting to go against one just for the fun of it, so I decided to go run with him for a little while and see if he wanted to play. After about 5 minutes I decided it was fun time and I blew past him then he jumped on my bumper and tailed me so I slowed down to about 60 and then nailed it. He hung on for just a brief second and then I started to steady pull away from him. we made 3 runs up to 120+ from various speeds and I killed him everytime. By the 4th time he gave up and I just left him behind.
For those interested in what a stock Cobalt SS can do whether it is turbo or supercharged, here are the timeslips I found:Timeslips. It seems like low 14's are about the norm for them as witnessed by the slips and from what I've seen personally at the track.