'87 iroc vs. '09 evo??
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Re: '87 iroc vs. '09 evo??
How can someone afford a 'vette when they're not even smart enough to use the correct form of there and their?...Christ....I don't know how much your Iroc weighs but my GTA weighed 3650 without me in it.
Anyway, back on track...to the OP: That Evo will smoke you 6 ways from Sunday...good luck.
Anyway, back on track...to the OP: That Evo will smoke you 6 ways from Sunday...good luck.
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shut the hel1 up its the internet people make typing errors and i do have a open mind i give respect to fast cars but i don't give a damn about import cars and will never own one
my Iroc Z weights 3250 without me in it
my Iroc Z weights 3250 without me in it
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That's pretty damn light for an Iroc, I've seen stripper SC and RS Camaros weigh more than that....interesting....
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get of my d1ck i still have my corvette wheres yours and for you info you don't know nothing about me,i don't like imports period i meant to say i give respect to fast domestic cars like i said its the internet don't get all up set and commit suicide because i make a few typing errors
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I think we`ve gotton way of topic.We answered the OP question and we`re not saying anything worth taking up space in the archives of a tech site.Lets just ignore the guy with the foul mouth who is voting for CHANGE and got his vette with a trust fund or whatever and get or this puppy down.
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I'm with these guys on this one - some pretty ridiculous statements were tossed out that just simply weren't true. I can respect everybody has a different opinion, and you can justify your opinion all you want - but when you try to take your opinion and make it fact, your gonna get fireworks.
get of my d1ck i still have my corvette wheres yours and for you info you don't know nothing about me,i don't like imports period i meant to say i give respect to fast domestic cars like i said its the internet don't get all up set and commit suicide because i make a few typing errors
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i can't help it the evo is so damn ugly,looks like a suped up scion tc with 4doors,these new cars specially jap cars are hideous
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like i said in my other posts awd and a turbo is the reason why the car is fast it would be impressing if that ugly thing run 13's n/a there are too many cars with awd and a turbo setup running the same times and these jap cars don't impress me one bit
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I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again. "Opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one."
Now, we already got your opinion, we don't need it more than once!
Why do you like stiring everybody up? In almost every thread you post you smake yourself look like my 10 year sister. Arguing over the forums is useless/pointless. Man up a bit, post your opinions in a respectful manor. It's no wonder why 3rd gen owners are stereo-typed, with guy like this running around
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Now, we already got your opinion, we don't need it more than once!
Why do you like stiring everybody up? In almost every thread you post you smake yourself look like my 10 year sister. Arguing over the forums is useless/pointless. Man up a bit, post your opinions in a respectful manor. It's no wonder why 3rd gen owners are stereo-typed, with guy like this running around
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Re: '87 iroc vs. '09 evo??
I guess I still can't understand your thinking - you seem stuck on the fact that big cubes and pushrods and the only respectable way to go fast, and unopen to any other school of thought. Just so I understand in no uncertain terms, your not impressed with a normally aspirated motor that makes 100hp/liter, right?
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guess the TTA doesn't impress you since it has a turbo?
The 350Z run's 13's stone stock, and does so with only 3.5 liters. Not all wheel drive, not turbo'd. Better gas mileage than an stock thirdgen, and the handling is right there as well. Its essentially a Japanese Camaro.
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those are 6 cylinder engines look everybody im sorry for starting this gay *** debate yall like imports so much and i don't so ill keep my comments to myself,yes i like big cube ohv engines there not max out like them ohc motors yall talk about.no matter what yall say there is no replacement for displacement
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those are 6 cylinder engines look everybody im sorry for starting this gay *** debate yall like imports so much and i don't so ill keep my comments to myself,yes i like big cube ohv engines there not max out like them ohc motors yall talk about.no matter what yall say there is no replacement for displacement
Also, what does the TTA being a V6 have to do with anything? You said that the EVO isn't impressive because it needs a turbo...I brought up the TTA and you have no response.
There IS a replacement for displacement and the TTA and cars like it proved it.
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fly89GTA - give up its a lost cause. I'm with ya, I have almost exclusively GM cars my whole life, but I can certainly respect what the import (not rice) crowd is doing with their technology. I had an Ford (Gasp!) SVT Contour a few years back that had a simply amazing engine in it - 2.5liter DOHC V6 with multiple length runners and multiple cam profiles that came online over 3500rpm, that motor made fair torque down low and was still pulling when the rev limiter showed up at 6800rpm. That was a fun piece of tehcnology.
By the way, I'm still waiting on a response Kidd Vette...
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a v6 or v8 but im not impressed by no puny 4cylinder that makes 200hp on 2liters
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Ok, go build a big cube motor with a turbo on it and go warranty it for 36K miles. Go obtain the same gas mileage. You can't. For a factory car it was perfect...it sure smoked the hell out of your Iroc and with minimal mods would make your Z06 look silly...all with 20yr old technology.
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Does your breath smell like crap since you're talking out of your *** again?
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your so ignorant why you had one then
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give up leave me alone,you just making yourself look stupid
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and your point is,look at where you at lol
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enough im not responding anymore,im done playing with you ladies peace
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See, this is the thing everybody is getting caught up by - your impressed with a 5.7 liter that makes 350, but not a 2 liter that makes 200hp. Don't you understand the 2 liter in this example is more powerful for its size. Effieciency is performance, and the effeciency of that 2 liter motor BLOWS AWAY the effeciency of the 350hp 5.7 liter you referenced before. You continue ignore that fact, and that is what everybody here is blown away by, that your thinking is so biased towards one method of making power that you're completely blind to some of the facts you've been presented with.
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ls series blocks can get close to 100hp per liter,will you stop talking to me about 2liter engines I DON'T CARE
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Most 'vette guys aren't "car" guys. A select few have respect for the entire spectrum of the performance world.
Most would rather just circle jerk around the new chrome alternator bracket and carbon fiber center console cover they just bought.
Most would rather just circle jerk around the new chrome alternator bracket and carbon fiber center console cover they just bought.
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Well, if your really a performance enthusiast, you should be.
See, this is the thing everybody is getting caught up by - your impressed with a 5.7 liter that makes 350, but not a 2 liter that makes 200hp. Don't you understand the 2 liter in this example is more powerful for its size. Effieciency is performance, and the effeciency of that 2 liter motor BLOWS AWAY the effeciency of the 350hp 5.7 liter you referenced before. You continue ignore that fact, and that is what everybody here is blown away by, that your thinking is so biased towards one method of making power that you're completely blind to some of the facts you've been presented with.
See, this is the thing everybody is getting caught up by - your impressed with a 5.7 liter that makes 350, but not a 2 liter that makes 200hp. Don't you understand the 2 liter in this example is more powerful for its size. Effieciency is performance, and the effeciency of that 2 liter motor BLOWS AWAY the effeciency of the 350hp 5.7 liter you referenced before. You continue ignore that fact, and that is what everybody here is blown away by, that your thinking is so biased towards one method of making power that you're completely blind to some of the facts you've been presented with.
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okay yeah i know the basic idea about those trans, just enough to get me in trouble apparently lol. Alot of what i learn is from the british show called top gear... love that show but anyway def. want to thank you for clearing that up, there is no actual pedal clutch though right?
Alright so i'm, 18 and my fathers view on the foreign cars has rubbed off on me a bit, i truly cna respect that a little one liter engine can do what it cna these days and us getting much better mpg as well. I still like the old school cars and to be honest although i love my car i wanted a 1st gen camaro instead b/c of the fact that it has less tech. though i can be tech crazy at times.... anyway so yeah i'm not a ******* even if i sould like it sometimes and just wanted to clear that up. either way you can't beat old school looks when it comes to cars (except for a few instances, the veyron being one...)
So yeah i reread my last post and def. feel like an jackass now. didn't mean for some of that to come out the way it did... ahh well noones perfect right...
Alright so i'm, 18 and my fathers view on the foreign cars has rubbed off on me a bit, i truly cna respect that a little one liter engine can do what it cna these days and us getting much better mpg as well. I still like the old school cars and to be honest although i love my car i wanted a 1st gen camaro instead b/c of the fact that it has less tech. though i can be tech crazy at times.... anyway so yeah i'm not a ******* even if i sould like it sometimes and just wanted to clear that up. either way you can't beat old school looks when it comes to cars (except for a few instances, the veyron being one...)
So yeah i reread my last post and def. feel like an jackass now. didn't mean for some of that to come out the way it did... ahh well noones perfect right...
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These dual clutch manual transmissions are something impressive. I didn't know that they offer them now in the new evos. The only car that I have driven with something like that was a mercedes benz sl 55 amg. That thing was insane. I didn't bother shifting with the little shifters on the steering wheel. I left it in automatic mode and stepped on it. The only thing that I have been on that accelerates like that is a large displacement sprot bike.
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That's what doesn't impress me at all. I really don't care about "200 hp". Even if they made it out of a .5 L engine. Big deal. Good for them. I like big power, even if it's "inefficient". The majority of imports out there don't do **** like this, and this is what I like:
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I will say that kid-vette, there are not very many LSx motors that are making 100hp/liter NA - certainly not any from the factory. The only factory offerings from GM that are making over 100hp/liter are the LS9 - 6.2L w/ 640hp, and the Ecotec in the Cobalt, making 260hp on 2L. Oddly enough, they are both forced induction motors.
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just to throw fuel on the fire. honda isnt the best at hp/ liter
its mazda
who is using a german concept
13b-REW 1.3L twin rotary making 280 hp woot
20b 2.0 3 rotor making 300 hp
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R26B 2.6 liter 700hp 9k rpm devil ( yea for racing , but still impressive)
its mazda
who is using a german concept
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I like big power too, and I'll say it again that the pushrod V8 is my power production platform of choice. I guess you could say I'm playing the devil's advocate a bit in this thread. I do respect motors like the 2.4 liter in the S2000 - but it wouldn't be my choice - my SBC just got done putting some of those I4's in their place on the way home from lunch!
I will say that kid-vette, there are not very many LSx motors that are making 100hp/liter NA - certainly not any from the factory. The only factory offerings from GM that are making over 100hp/liter are the LS9 - 6.2L w/ 640hp, and the Ecotec in the Cobalt, making 260hp on 2L. Oddly enough, they are both forced induction motors.
I will say that kid-vette, there are not very many LSx motors that are making 100hp/liter NA - certainly not any from the factory. The only factory offerings from GM that are making over 100hp/liter are the LS9 - 6.2L w/ 640hp, and the Ecotec in the Cobalt, making 260hp on 2L. Oddly enough, they are both forced induction motors.
The LSx engines now are just is good as those little import motors. It's just that you can't release a truck with 600 hp. Not every corvette can have 700 hp. It's too much for the general public.
I really think the American manufacturers are right on par with the foreign guys.
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This has gotten way off topic, the original question has been answered. If only I could lock this thead.
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Because you couldn't make 100hp/liter and offer that to the public. You can't offer a 600 hp truck to the public. You used to need big inch engines back in the 60s and 70s to make 350hp or 400 hp, back when technology wasn't that great. Today, American car producers have a history of big inch engines, and that's what people want. If they produced a Camaro with a small 3.5 L V8, it just wouldn't be the same.
The LSx engines now are just is good as those little import motors. It's just that you can't release a truck with 600 hp. Not every corvette can have 700 hp. It's too much for the general public.
I really think the American manufacturers are right on par with the foreign guys.
The LSx engines now are just is good as those little import motors. It's just that you can't release a truck with 600 hp. Not every corvette can have 700 hp. It's too much for the general public.
I really think the American manufacturers are right on par with the foreign guys.
I wouldn't go so far as to say you can't offer 100hp/liter engines, take a look at the Cobalt SS. Oddly enough you mention a Camaro with a small V8, the LT models have a small 3.6 liter V6 thats making just as much power as Ford's 5.4 liter V8 in their pony car. Seems GM is using this big power on small cubes technology in select platforms where it makes sense from an economy and production stand point, and keeping the big cubes in the platforms where they fit the best.
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Re: '87 iroc vs. '09 evo??
its people like you bashing on imports that makes all domestic fans look stupid . ease up and show will power over ur mouth . might not be ur cup of tea but doesnt mean its just awful . and the 231 ci 3.8 thats in the buick gnx and the tta is accepted everywhere as 1 of the best engines to put in a drag car .yes turbos on v8s are insane u think thats news to anybody here ?