I wish I had a video of my buddy's old Evo. The thing had monsterous cams and sounded totally insane at idle... at any other speed it sounded like a normal evo though.

 

i have respect for evos, i hate eclipses (ricers in my area love eclipses) but yeah i am a huge supporter of the evo and wrx rivalry i usually root for the subbies though

 

Stated from the beginning of my stance on imports in this topic, only import I have ever looked at and considered buying was/is the STI. I would leave the thing bone stock and just daily drive it.

 

I really like the sound of the Subbie turbo 2.0liter boxer 4. It just has a mean aggressive tone to it.

 

well thats probably what the new brz/frs/gt86 sounds like it is after all the same boxer 4cyl


EDIT and i want one!

 

Any factory 2.8-3.0 from any american car from 1984 to 2013 making 430Hp

 

Well, I can tell you that GM would never allow it while asking thirty plus thousand for their Corvette at the time. With certainty our 2.8's with turbo will make just as much power at the rear wheels. I was with Dave when we dynoed his turbo 2.8 with itty bitty turbo, and even with ignition problems and a bad tune he made 367 foot pounds at 3826-RPM, and 268 horsepower at only 3904-RPM. His engine was built to exceed 6000-RPM, and had he reached that RPM with the right air/fuel ratio that day, as well as without his ignition locking on him, he would have seen over 400 horsepower easily, and we're talking essentially low boost, 10-psi. Again, this was with a small, cheap, chinese ebay turbo. If you need to see the video of that day just say the word...

http://www.streetfire.net/video/kraz...409_641533.htm

 

I am not talking about aftermarket the statement was made


The facts are they did not make horrible power and neither did their V8 when compared to similar size engines from the rest of the world

 

Hatch back muscle the only real hot hatches.

 

again my argument was that for a v12 it wasn't exactly spectacular, for a 350 even impressive but my argument with jayhawk was about the number of cylinders not liters, or cid, but cylinders and that more of them does not always mean more power, more power potential maybe depending on alot of other variables, no the power wasn't horrible but it could have been better

 

How about an 80s V8 2.9L turbo making 430HP how were our 2.8s doing?

I was reading this earlier and think someone might have gotten confused..
In the 80's there was no 2.9 V8's turbo or not..

Volvo & Ford I believe only had the 2.9 Litre engine

volvo turbo'ed theirs

 

That is very impressive for a 6 cylinder.. I kinda do the same thing in NY.. I tell everyone my engine is a 2.2 x 3 + 5 ... Really get some dumb looks when they figure it out. I had one kid who claimed to be math genius and car expert tell me that I wasn't a 2.2 Litre 7 cylinder motor.. I just looked at him like he was something special, patted him on the head, and said, "Your so cute" as I walked away. LOL

 

ibmtech... you killed this chat for a moment.


Damn you to import hell.

 

I just found it completely fasinating that I now know there are 2.9 V8's and stock N/A 2.8's saying they are smoking V8's in 1/4 mile. I had to go get my boots on as I was standing in the middle of a cow field and the crap was getting deep. I am a proud GM owner and I repel import attacks and send them back to where they belong. 4 vehicles in the garage and nothing but chevy or GMC logos on them.

My motto: If it doesn't at least have a V-8.. It might as well be wearing a dress.

 

Brutal man My cars not wearing a dress...lmfao

I know what ya mean though man, my turbo pshhh sound makes up for it.

I agree theres no stock 2.8L or V6 for that matter thats gonna smoke a V8 if were talking about old engines. You litlerly have to turbo or spray it to make it possible. Newer generations of V6's and 4 cylinders are a different story. The enginering on say a newer LLT 3.6L V6 thats in the new camaros makes the older V8's(such as TPI) look like crap and like a sad old dog. Its amazing what some research and development will do in a 10-20 year span (let along high **** gas prices) when it comes to automotive engines.

Just look at the difference between a V8 in a camaro now compared to a old fashion TPI setup, literly double the HP, TQ, and better MPG.

I know I was literly ticked off when I had to race one of those Neon SRT things that had just a little work done to it(tuned and more boost) That stupid thing kept right up with me at the race track(we were in the mid 13's) I think what made me mad was that damn..thing was a high mid/14 sec car stock IIRC and it was just a little 4 bannger funny looking neon. But the sadest thing is, that engine is pretty impressive for right out the box making 250Hp or so, crap man that more then any thirdgen could make stock. And that engine was missing 4 cylinders.. but anymore turbochargers are the new deal on cars, exspecially when it comes to fuel economy.

 

There are some rare exceptions that I see.. I have read alot of your posts and there are a few others with boosted applications that I give credit where credit is do.. My hat is off to you .. But, when I read a early 80's 2.8 stock camaro's out there smoking everything in the Northern Hemisphere.. I applaud them for buying a thirdgen, Hell I like all Gens.. But the B.S. has to stop somewhere.. I respect Ford's because it is the right thing as they have earned their place in the powerhouse. I hate imports but still respect them.. At car cruise in's I will look under the hoods and scratch my head and say WTF makes them so fast.. Some are and some just put stickers on the windows and replicate the Fast and Furious...

 

My friend has a 429rwh neon. I dont think I want any of that

 

That is pretty good. I don't blame you. Just remember it isn't always the HP that wins. It depends on the driver too.

 

You mean 429 front wheel horsepower? Last I checked they were all fwd.

 

I just wouldn't have as much fun in a neon, regardless of the power. Half the fun is just having the COOLER car.

 

Really... I'd bet with your mods it wouldn't be such a blow out. I've seen plenty of high horsepower fwd cars blow some pretty pathetic times.

 

he wasdriving in reverse?

 

Spoken like someone who has only driven a handful of cars.

 

i'm thinking tube chassis car with a neon body

 

you know the more I think about it the more this seems to explain you.
I think you are the american form of a r icer. I would call you a fast fooder at that point but well that involves fast which I don't think you really are part of.

Honestly though you would rather choose form over function. That is a trademark move of a r icer. think about it. they would rather spend money on a sticker or a wing then they would on some performance part for their car. Spend more money on looks then go fast. you would rather look like your going fast then actually go fast. It says hey look at me I'm a ri cer. Gets even worse when you consider the cooler car a more or less stock car from the 80's. Come on it's the 80's not much good came from the 80's

 

most of the high schoolers here always roll up next to my truck (old and newer ) and want to to race cause my exhuast is cut down. it's funny to hear them rev up there little motor with the factory turbo, and want to race. i laugh at them and smoke them. i have nothing fancy just stock atleast on my 89 2500. however my 84 had a rebuild 350 in it and hualed *** until a transmission line blow and i ended up blowing the motor. but the imports are funny around here.

 

I can't take you seriously at all after I read rebuilded.

I have this vehicle with a stock Turbo from 85 I'd like you to meet.

 

I read that too...

 

You've obviously never run a Shelby dodge. My swirl port head 305 can beat my friends 5.7 hemi 08 ram 1500. And a Shelby dodge would walk me

 

i lawl'd so hard

 

thinking i'm going to be parting ways with my 03 wrx with 50k on it to get back into a third gen. there is no sound like the boxer engine, especially with all new exhaust from the turbo back. awd has been great the last 7yrs but have really missed rwd. looking forward to more of a project car instead of a daily driver.

 

let me start by saying, ALOT of idiots here in Maryland think that their gay *** car is fast... However, there is a certain handful that will surprise even the most die hard v8 guys. while it is easy to agree with the theory that says " put that turbo on a v8" We must realize perhaps that kid wasnt blessed with a v8. his parents bought him a civic to drive to school in and well what would you do if you were in his shoes and you had 1500 bucks saved up from working at the local subshop ? throw a turbo on it. Here in Hagerstown maryland there are a few 9 second 4 cylinders.. yes 1/4 mile 9 second...And yes they are street leagal. I am a young person and i love my v8 but there are some pretty serious 4 bangers running around.. Oh and if you want all motor performance, there is an 11 second n/a civic hatchback running around here.. you all should hear that thing.. its actually kind of cool

 

my mistake on the spelling the kids was being butt. and f'd me up

 

The quicker cars are mostly around Frederick.

Have you seen the guy driving that r32 skyline with stupid pipe hanging out from th bumper roughly 2 feet?

I'm roughly 15-20 minutes from you in Waynesboro.

 

Oh snap, is there someone stateside that is trying to get Bozuko style in North America?

 

I just can't stand the ***** side of imports. The painted interior pieces and huge fart cans that make them sound like pissed off weedeaters. There are some in town though that are purpose built track monsters. Especially the STi's and EVO's running E85. The honda crowd seems to be the worst about tacky bolt ons. None of the Subaru guys I've met had anything stupid or tacky on their cars. I'll miss my WRX but will enjoy my third gen more, even though it will be slower. My WRX doesn't have that much done to it and I walk my dads (used to be mine) 94 Z28. ***** trend seems to be fading alot though. The amount of civics with bodykits has gotten smaller and smaller. Everybody that did that when the first Fast and Furious came out has gotten at least a little older and hopefully a little wiser. I'm 31 and feel like I'm almost too old to even own my WRX.

 

Didn't realize that rice-r was a swear word, guess it kinda makes sense that it would be on here.

 

Odd around here the subaru guys have the most tacky wings, body kits and fart cannons exiting at some off angle making it look like they installed the muffler wrong.

They all also seem to want to add an extra dozen or so rally lights that never see any use except the street.

Most of the honda civic modding fad has dissipated here and people want to mod subarus and base model lancers.

 

Would seem so. It's like a foot and a half beyond the bumper at an angle.

 

I bet the most annoying sounding honda in this area would blow the doors off those e85 awd cars
Unless they can make 9 second passes they won't keep up.

 

Your states slogan should be "home of every 9 second Honda ever"

I've been to Jersey a few times. Never ran into a 9 second Honda.

 

How many times must it be said? The real issue are the fakes. The guys that treat O'Reilly's like a performance shop. And, even if they are fast, they sound and look like ****. I'll be the one with my mid 14's car getting all the looks and all the compliments, not to mention babes(but that's mostly just me, although the car helps). At the end of the day, they are shitty ***** import four bangers and I drive a clean, slow, good looking and awesome sounding V8. Me:WINNER!

 

so jayhawk you need other people to validate you and a car that was designed in the 80's to get the babes huh?

The same type of car that usually gets associated with trailors and white shirts with no sleeves.

Says a lot about you .

 

buy a v8 thirdgen, honestly

 

Same here

 

Guess the next thing you'll say is we aren't home of a few ten second or faster diesels in Northern NJ either just because your sh*tbox isn't worthy of them wasting their time

 

Don't get mad.

It's funny when people get mad.

 

perfect quote for this WHOLE thread

 

haha.
And the perfect quote for the perfect quote for this thread.

 

... hey, don't go around starting paradoxes...