The EGR valve used to lower combustion temperatures to control oxides of nitrogen. Read up on EGR and you will get it.

 

Oh please, you have that mentality of thinking that you are right and everybody else is wrong. Back up what you say, I am waiting for your results. PROVE me wrong, and if you do, I will GLADLY admit that you were right. Again, read the following about EGR CLOSELY, and I will help you to understand that it RESTRICTS power ON PURPOSE to help REDUCE the amount of nitrogen compounds. Key words are below, READ THEM;

The EGR system serves to route exhaust gases, which are inert to the combustion process (because they have already been 'combusted'), back into the intake manifold. This is done to 'dilute' the intake air into the cylinders so that there is less available oxygen for the combustion process. This lowers combustion temperatures, which, thereby also lowers the formation of nitrogen compounds (NOx)...

Inert - having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance...

Dilute - to make (a liquid) thinner or weaker by the addition of water or the like, to make fainter, to reduce the strength, force, or efficiency of by admixture...

Less Available Oxygen - LESS POTENTIAL HORSEPOWER...

Do you understand now, or do you still desire to argue irrationally...?

I am eagerly waiting for you to PROVE me wrong factually, save the links...

 

Like I said, go ahead and disconnect and plug an egr valve on a factory turbo car and go for a drive. See how the car performs. You would need to remove egr from the ecm to see any difference.

 

First of all, in case you didn't know, EGR is disabled by the ECM @ wide open throttle for a reason. And second, umm, you do realize that you need to disable the EGR in the prom first when you "disconnect" it before part throttle will have proper O2 correction in any vehicle? Even the air pump needs to be disabled in the prom when it is disconnected, otherwise the ECM triggers a fault. Like I said, you think you know it all, but you are confused in an ever narrowing world...

I am done arguing with you until you present something tangible...

 

No, you are wrong. The effects of a disconnected egr will be felt a WOT still. It is said that it is disabled at WOT,but no, it still makes a difference unless it is disabled in the prom. You won't always get a code 32 either by just disconnecting your EGR valve either.

 

The ECM is PROGRAMMED TO DISABLE the EGR at wide open throttle for a reason. Disconnecting the connection without disabling it in the chip effects your SA (timing). Your making it worse for yourself, just stop talking, trust me...

 

No you trust me. A DISCONNECTED EGR STILL REDUCES POWER IN YOUR CAR AT WOT. It needs to be done with altogether. Are you that dense that you cant read? I mean come on.

 

You have proven nothing, and your words are not backed by facts, so they are not to be trusted by anyone. You live in your own fantasy world lmao! Show me a datalog after "pulling" the EGR WITHOUT disabling it in the prom to see what gets effected and WHY the car gets slower. Do you even have one? Do you know what a look up table is? Do you understand Alpha-n tables? Do you understand what happens to the ECM when you disconnect a connection? Do you know what an open circuit is? How it effects the ECM? Disconnecting the EGR connector, or the air pump connector, or the O2 sensor, or any other sensor TRIPS the ECM into default. Do you know what happens when the ECM is in default mode? Do you know what it effects? Do you understand how it LOCKS timing? Keep dreaming, you made yourself look so very foolish...

 

The car may perform better at part throttle, but at WOT. A car with a disconnected EGR will perform worse. Even if it is said that it is disabled in the prom at WOT by the factory. IT needs to be taken out of the prom altogether. On a turbo car, I wouldn't worry about trying to eliminate an EGR valve. You need to worry about detonation on a turbo car mainly. I would concentrate on trying to run as much timing as i could with as much boost as i could without hitting detonation. That is the whole idea behind getting a turbo car to perform at its peak. You want more timing not less. It used to be in the old days that you really had to trade off between timing or boost. There were not many aftermarket turbo parts available. You could raise the boost, but you had to lower the ignition timing to compensate. Nowadays, you can buy intercoolers reasonable cheap, add-on fuel computers or get your whole ecu sent in to be reprogrammed (mainly foreign cars).

 

Sounds like Streetlethal is a "young-in'"

 

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Your clueless, and you offer nothing to this community. You don't even know how to hold a conversation. I told you why power is decreased by disconnecting the EGR without disabling it in the prom, and that is because timing is effected, yet this is your childish response. You are a baby, and will be treated like one then. Everyone reading along see's how moronic you really are. Keep driving them stage 4 turbo's of yours...

 

Is that the gay techno music you listen to? Well, there you have it

 

Go back to sleep before I have a moderator ban you for inciting hate through those words...

 

Go ahead and try it

 

Ninetyone, You do not need an EGR valve on a turbo car. Hell, my 5.3 LSx didn't even have one from the factory since engines are controlled so precisely these days. You are correct that too hot of a combustion process is bad for a turbo car, however the more oxygen into the cylinder, the more power you make. You are going to have heat on a turbo car regardless and there is nothing you can do about it because thats the nature of the beast. An EGR valve is not some magic answer to keep a turbo car running cooler. Instead, we use things like colder rated spark plugs, a richer A/F mix than an N/A car, methanol injection, etc. There are tricks around making it work very well.

 

I am happily a married man, and enjoy the beauty of all women. However, you speak of being gay as being a bad thing, which is inciting hate in front of other member's who might happen to be gay. You don't even know me. What's next, are you going to call me a Jew? Your distasteful and poor conduct will be shown to the administrator, and there is absolutely nothing to try on my part, you did this to yourself by LOWERING yourself, and every member here, including the onlookers, who happen to view this website, by bringing in sexual orientation into the conversation. For future reference, when conversing, never talk about religion, politics and sexual orientation. You must be an older person set in your ways because you should have known better by saying such a thing on a respectable and credible website. Your offer nothing but useless conjecture, and your EGR "theory" was put to bed pages ago...

 

91 - If your just taking BS and trolling bravo well done, otherwise you've got some learning to do

 

WOW. It's gonna take me like an hour to read through all of this. Well, no time like the presant.

 

A lot of your "known facts" are not at all "facts" at all.

I've ran several turbo cars with and without EGR, other than the benefits of better milage and low load/RPM (I.E. no boost) resistance to ping being better with an EGR, there has been no other appreciable differences.

Going back to your turbo "knowledge," I have yet to see any real facts or accurate theories brought up by you.

 

Really, it's not worth it. LOL

 

thats what i was thinking, and i was also thinking this threads taken alot of different directions, import vs domestic, turbo vs n/a, what to call turbos , lol, how bout next we do ohc vs ohv?

 

isn't ninety to one the same guy who though gears could give you25% more tq on a dyno?

 

We've already done that...

Yep, also swears there's such a thing as a "stage 4 turbo," among many other blatantly wrong things he's been posting.

 

oh yeah lol, how about we argue which cars came with better stereos next?

 

BEST... THREAD... EVAAAAAAAAR!

 

There's one we haven't done yet.

But do we have to compare only to 3rd gen era cars, or any car?

 

Just a quick question about to "tuner" cars. Putting it here to save opening another thread. I was curious how fast a 92 Integra 2door with a non-turbo B16 with these mods be?

Ported and Polished Head
Skunk 2 Cams (no clue what this means lol)
CAI
R-Active Full Exhaust with Header
Lightweight Flywheel

This car belongs to someone in my town. Just curious to how fast these things are in case I run in to it when my T/A is finished. Other than this, I know nothing else of the car.

 

If it's full weight, it's probably a mid to low 14 second car. Integras are a bit heavier than civics which hurts it a little bit. I don't know how much HP cams add to a B16 but thats a pretty good engine even stock. Def quicker than most all 3rd gens stock I'd say.

 

I always thought EGR was regulatory term for "pleeeze the greeeenies". There's no other purpose tho that concution turbo or not As was said earler there's no point to try and burn exhaust gas other then try to "git'a'lia'more'pollut'n" out of it. I took it off on factory turbo car as soon as I got it, no ECU reflash (well at least EGR specific). By my **** (fcukin' moderators) dyno no power loss throughout the band and same EGTs, but slightly better MPG, that's all. MPG probably subaru specific thing as they like to cool cylinders with gasoline (f'en japs LOL).
Camm'ed and header'ed B16 will be running super lean and probably result in nice round piston hole if you floor it often. There are two important things missing there. 1) injectors, 2) ECU map....muuuuuaaaahahahaah. Actually it depends on a cam, but in general even if stock injectors (and ECU) can stretch and compensate for higher flow, it actually will be slower from dead stop to redline and loose some good low end torque which those engines lack to begin with. So yeah, 1/4 mile time will be better, but you will be dissapointed if you plan on DD'in it. Take cam and header out and you'll be happier in trafic. You have nothing to worry about should he confront you driving T/A. He ain't got notin' on you.
Ok, now hatas come in....

 

Dear lord! I can easily ignore spelling and grammer errors, but I have no idea what I just read. It's one of the most confusing posts I've ever seen, I had to read it 3 times to make some sense out of it.

This isn't school but I hope you were drunk when you wrote that.

 

Haha. Irish much? I swear the whole time I was reading this, the Buck-o-nine Irish Drinking Song was playing in my head.

 

 

Seriously , how old are some of you guys on here? no offense , just curious. A 92 Integra is more than likely a mid 16 seconds car. FYI, Honda, Acura have never been known to be fast cars or thought of as being fast. It is just the younger generation now (people in their 20's and 30's ) who think these cars define a "fast car" or a "sports car". It is a hip hop thing.

 

LUUUUUL. Look who's talking about GRAMMER.... I is from Russia mie inglich is little .
Yes, khm, let me simplify my post for humor challenged.
My point was: If you take a pile of sh&^t, ad some solt, pepper, dill, put it on a nice plate. What are you going to end up with? Seasoned **** pile on a nice plate!

 

When i was in my 20's no one really thought of modifying a Honda or an Acura. LOL. Who would waste their time? I mean they "feel" fast cause they are small cars. They sound like you are going fast cause you are revving to 8k rpm. Meanwhile a stock Camaro comes flying by you.

 

That's exaclty what I was trying to say in my confusing post. Sorry I made somebody's brain do some thinking.

 

The guy asking said it had a B16 engine. A 92 integra does NOT come stock with a B16, therefore it is a faster motor. Stock it has 160 HP. With a ported head and cams/bolt ons I would have to assume it's making at least around 180 HP. Combine that with a car that weighs around 2600 lbs and yes, you have a car that could rival or beat almost all stock 3rd gens.

I try to be civil with you and teach you rather than coming on and being a duesh, but when you quote me and say "seriously, how old are some of you guys on here?", it pisses me off. FYI, I'm 26, and I probably know 10 times the **** that you do even at my "young" age. I have owned hondas, I have owned mustangs, I have owned F-bodies, and many more. I know what each is capable of, and I know that a 3rd gen is not a fast car stock. Saying all hondas are slow is only lieing to yourself because our cars are NOTHING SPECIAL stock.

And scorp and ninetyone, apparently some of us on here are a little TOO old and set in your ways, because with modern technology, these "honda kids" are moving pretty fast with 1.6 liters. Any "modern" car guy knows not to underestimate anything because you may very well get your doors blown in by that "econobox honda civic."

 

how bout thirdgen era thirdgens and tuners, factory stereos go against each other, and then the modern stereos that some tuners and thirdgens have in them now, like aftermarket stuff

 

when I come across that "fast" Honda I'll let you know. So far i have already beaten a turbo Honda civic and I am willing to bet stock for stock I would still win. A b16 motor swap? Isn't that kind of a longshot. Why wouldn't they just modify the engine already in the Honda?

 

Because the B16 swap is very popular with people who had the 1.5L engine.

Most of the turbo civics I know of around here are trapping in the 105-110mph ranges running high 12s and low 13's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGlVBnbWL0

 

Hondas are probably just much more popular around here because I see quite a few quick ones, and some very fast ones. And for how easy it is to drop a B16 engine into a car like that, it's not a longshot. It's a very common engine swap and it basically bolts in to most hondas from the late 80's to most of the 90's. Reason they don't modify the engine they came with is because they are not VTEC and they are also not as good.

Same reason I chose to put an LSx in my car rather than build the 305...just not as good of an engine.

 

I didnt mean to start a fight lol. But thanks to everyone who answered my question.

 

Really? A hip-hop thing?


When's the last time you saw a hip hop guy driving a Honda or an Integra? Acura TL or their higher end cars MAYBE but not anything else. Quit confusing hip hop with people who saw 'Fast and the Furious', Japanese drifting mags, and stuff from that scene and thought it was cool.

Now if we were talking 64 Impala's, Box Chevy's, and stereo systems with a insane amount of bass then yes you could say we were discussing something that has some influence from the hip hop scene.


J

 

You forgot 28" rims... LOL

 

I'm almost 38. The people just a couple of years younger now adays are all pretty much hip-hop people. That is just their generation. The fast and furious type crowd are all hip hop type people. Most kids that drive a Honda with mods , listen to rap. I think that is pretty safe to say. It is just the "younger generation" That how they are. Most people that drive a thirdgen are older and listen to metal. Metal appeals mainly to people 35-55 or so.

 

In fact. When was the last time you saw a guy driving a Honda with a fartpipe and listening to metal, or punk. I doubt it would happen. Also, isnt' having 200 hp at the rear wheel a big deal for the Honda crowd? Saw that on the front of a tuner mag in the grocery store.LOL

 

Not into gangsta music too much (it's probably "old" thing?) myself. Makes me depressed... especially Eminiem.

Supposedly, it's power to weight ratio... and most of "Fast and Furious" type of vehicles are front wheel drive.

 

Thats a stereotype and only a stereotype. Apparently people that drive third gens also all have that long hairdo that we're not allowed to say, and they all have rebel flag bumper stickers. I hate metal in all honesty. I love rock though, and do listen to hip hop, techno, and occasionally rap. Making the claim you did is like saying all mexicans are illegal immigrants, or that all black people steal. It's a stereotype, thats it.

I drive a honda and listen to rock....I'm sure I'm not the only one either.

It's exactly power to weight ratio. A honda civic with 200 HP will beat a camaro with 200 HP, granted both are stock weight still. And I've heard the whole torque argument...it only holds true to an extent. The lighter car will still pull harder up top as long as it has the same HP.

 

Well, I have never been beaten by any Honda and my car puts out 214 to the rear wheels. Not really meaning to stereotype, but how many "older" guys in their 40's and 50's are driving around modified Hondas? It is mainly younger people and kids. What do most of the younger generation listen to? Rap music. Nothing wrong with it, but it never catered to me or most people my age or older. It is often the music associated with the "Tuner" crowd anyways.