85Firebird350

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My dad and I were at dinner and we were talking about my car and then I said "Well my car is faster than yours" and then he challenged me to a race in the spring, thinking he has a chance. PLease tell me his LS1 isnt strong enough to beat me.

His car is a 2000 Trans Am WS6 completely stock except for a SLP airbox, K&N filter, new LS6 clutch, GMMG exhaust system and brand new Goodyear Eagle F1 gs tires.

My car is a 84 T/A with a 383 stroker, with an edelbrock performer rpm manifold, soon to be AFR 210cc heads with a Lunati voodoo cam with 241*/249* @ .050 with .525/.546 lift, a holley 750 cfm carb, th700r4 with tci valvebody and shift kit, aluminum driveshaft with 3.73 gears with an eaton posi unit. TCI Streetfighter converter with about 2800 stall. My car also weights in at 3075 with driver, this setup should get me in the high 400's for HP hopefully. I should have some kind of drag radials or slicks on the rear too.

Is his LS1 really fast enough to go head to head with me? I need to know before I go and make and idiot of myself to my family.

PHAT89TA

ur car is lite. as lite as my friends 02 z06. i say u take the ls1 in the 1/4 mile race. on the long run, u gonna run out of gears and he would edge u out.

85Firebird350

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Well its only going to be 1/4 mile maybe at the strip so hopefully I can even get past tech, haha. I really dont think his LS1 is as fast as he thinks, I know its fast but not in the 12's fast and theres no way I'm going to be in the 13's with this car.

ChillPhatCat

I think he could pull off a high 12 if he knows how to drive it and you get good racing weather... but you've got power, weight and a traction advantage if you swap tires. Should be in the bag.

Rossi

Nice setup dude, specially getting the weight that low. You should definitely have it in the 1/4.

Gallileo60

I just think its awesome, you and your dad get to race...Enjoy it, no matter who wins...I wish my ol man was still here to race me....I think you have an edge with the weight thing........Tom

brodyscamaro

With traction youll take him...

1991CamaroRslow

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I'm going to have to give this one to you. A properly modded LS1 driven by someone who knows what's going on can be a very quick car, I'de assume your dad can drive and his mods are minimal but thought out. He may be in the 12's with that combo but it won't be deep into the 12s. All in all this could turn out to be a drivers race but once again I'm going to say you have it covered. Keep us posted.

ZONES89RS

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Have to say...your father will be OWNED After you kill him in the 1/4, tell him you were half throttle so he wouldnt look that bad, just to get a reaction outta him.

ShiftyCapone

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You will win with ease. How did you get your race weight to around 3k with driver? That is not easy to do with a 3rd gen without completely gutting it and replacing many components with tubular pieces. None the less, your car is set-up to run deep into the 12's if not faster.

85Firebird350

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I'll enjoy every minute of it. My father and I get along great and he's helping me build up my engine and do all the things to get my car ready to drive by april. Hopefully I can get the car to pull off some 11's on some MT slicks. I want to aim for low 11's with this car hopefully I can do it without a shot of laughing gas.

1BADDAM

You're lucky, this is what I have to take for family bragging rights and it's not stock either.




Good luck. Racing the old man is kool. You'll never forget it.

Quasi-Traction

You should be able to edge your pop's by at least a couple car lengths. He might try for a reversal above 80mph with your gearing, but it should be yours if you hook up and beat his R/T and 60'.

I wouldn't dare race my pops. all I got is mid to low 14's and I know he's got a beastly Model A ford hiding in the garage with tire shreadding torque from idle to 5000rpm. I helped him build half of it... Damn modified 460's.

85Firebird350

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Well my dad just threw another variable into the mix. He now has a LS6 manifold and new LS6 clutch. And he is thinking about throwing in a mild cam to get more power. Any guesses now?

PHAT89TA

depends how mild of a cam hes gonna put on his car. Most likely when he does the cam hes gonna put some long tubes on also. I've seen very mild cams only cars dyno between 350-upper 390's at the wheels and could be easily smoggable. and thats through the ls6 intake and stock tb.

vipershark11

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it should be a fun race whether you win or lose. i called my dad out last year but he wouldnt do it but this year he finally agreed to do it and picked the spot already so its on. bragging rights for family between 3rd gens. his stock IROC L98 vs my 89 firebird LO3 with a posi rear, 150+ shot of nitrous, headers, gutted cat, catback, open element. it should be fun....lol but itll be interesting racing father son win or lose just remember not too many people get the chance to do that.

Marc 85Z28

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It won't matter if he puts an LS6 intake and clutch on it, he's in way over his head. On paper, your car should be MUCH quicker than his. You've got a power advantage of at least 100HP (your engine should be good for nearly 500HP), and are several hundred pounds lighter. The parts are there, you just need to make them work.

The only way a cam will make a difference is if he goes big and compliments it with all the usual bolt-ons.

tpivette89

the head and cam combo youve chosen is awesome. your setup should go 11s easy if everthing is done right. with nitrous you should crack 10s

bigtom88transam

i wish my pops would race me BUT hes old and doesnt like cars LOL

fly89gta

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Your pops bit off WAY more than he can chew. If you lose sell your car and take the bus.

85Firebird350

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Well I just ordered my cam the other day and it is a totally diffrent one. It's a Lunati VooDoo solid roller cam with .585/.600 lift and 249*/255* dur. @.050. And the AFR heads should be here soon.

Screamin86

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dont mind me just latching on to keep updated! wish my dad had something i could race though :-p

EvilCartman

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My dad wont even go for a ride in my car. He went for a ride in a friend's Viper around a track but gave up after about 3 laps. Getting too old

abyliks

yes, evan smith of muscle mustang and fast fords actually got a 98 6 speed to run a 12.7X on a hot humid day, i think you will still take him however

Praetorian27

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I think you should have him no problem...that is a nice setup you have!

Marc 85Z28

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Actually it was a 12.89 run and in good conditions. And that's certainly NOT representative of your typical LS1. Low 13s is considered on the quicker side for a well driven car in good conditions, while mid 13s is fairly typical.

birdsgonnafly

i wouldnt want to race my dad hes got high 9 second passes under his belt but its on a bike plus its just sat in the garage for 15 years so its all ok

1991CamaroRslow

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^ more than agreed. I believe that 12 second LS1 was a factory freak, or some type of test car. Most of the LS1 cars I see run mid 13's and I'm at the track quite a bit. However if you even say you've seen an LS1 run 13's or 14's instantly you'll get a slew of assumptions about the driver or the cars tune.

Marc 85Z28

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That same driver/magazine got 3 different LS1 cars over a span of 5 years into the 12s stock. I have seen a handful of legit high high 12 second completely stock LS1 F-bodies, but like I said it requires a good driver, good conditions, and its certainly not the norm.

1991CamaroRslow

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Where're they running them at? It has to be close to sea level. That or the Density Altitude must be excellent at the time.

Marc 85Z28

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Englishtown/Old Bridge Raceway in New Jersey. And around here in the late winter and early fall, DAs of NEGATIVE 1500ft aren't that uncommon. I've run my Z28 in -2100 air one time, and it picked up 2 tenths and nearly 3MPH over whats posted in the sig.

1991CamaroRslow

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The mystery is solved. I wish we could get climate like that at my local tracks.

85Firebird350

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Well the race is set, now I just need to get all of my engine put together to race. Hopefully theres no valve clearance issues with the cam. He's hoping I get so much wheel spin that he can beat me, even if I have to let off and get back in it I hope I can still beat him.

tpivette89

actually, the 12.89 at 109mph run was at Atco i think. gotta dig out the old issues and double check. i believe that same day, Evan got a bone stock 99' C5 hardtop to run a 12.66 at 111mph. his driving + the tracks and weather in the northeast = amazing times

Marc 85Z28

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Please do, and post the date/issue number. I WANT that backissue to shut up a few of my friends that are die-hard Ford morons, and don't buy into the 12 second stock LS1.

1991CamaroRslow

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There is also a member on here floating around with minimal mods who says he runs 12.9's with an unported STOCK TPI 350. It's contraversial but I'de say he's doing it. I wish I could remember his name, I'de say a search for "12.9, stock" should bring it up.

87LS

Let us know the outome...
If your Dad's got a Cam in it too, you are looking bleak...
Let us know how it goes..
Buy some new Drag Radials for the race!!!