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Old 07-09-2006, 01:03 AM
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A bad driver will run bad times in any car, but a good driver and a few mods, and the Cobra is much faster than 12.4s. You have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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It's a guy running around here in Ontario California talking trash how he's killing 3rd and 4th gens f-bodies on the street. His car suppose to stock. I'd told him I would race him anytime to prove in that his car is not all that. We're going to line it up in a couple of days. Do ya'll think I have a chance of beating him? Check sig below!
if he has even a single mod, you won't have enough. Tell the LS1s in your town to grow some ***** and get a bottle if they want to put the cobra in its place.
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There's a stock 04 cobra for sale at the dealership here. silver vert with 2500 miles. They want like 40k though.. **** that.

I drove it and it was cool. It honestly didn't feel fast at all (my LT1 feels faster) but looking at the speedo reassured me it was.. along with the salesman going "hooolllyy ****!!!"
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There's a stock 04 cobra for sale at the dealership here. silver vert with 2500 miles. They want like 40k though.. **** that.

I drove it and it was cool. It honestly didn't feel fast at all (my LT1 feels faster) but looking at the speedo reassured me it was.. along with the salesman going "hooolllyy ****!!!"
40K for a used Cobra??? they aren't rare, crap brand new the mystichrome (special color ones) verts didn't even get that expensive. Tell that dealer to get real. Cobras are much smoother accelerating than LT1s. They won't "feel faster" because the torque comes on strong and immediately, there is not throwing back then easing then throwing back again in another gear. The scenery on the other hand just gets blurriier and blurrier...
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40K for a used Cobra??? they aren't rare, ...
The '03 and '04 Cobras are really rare with the '04's being the most rare. A little under 20k cars were made over their two year production run. Only around 12k of those were hardtops. That's pretty rare in terms of todays build numbers.



Originally Posted by vampiroc
Cobras are much smoother accelerating than LT1s. They won't "feel faster" because the torque comes on strong and immediately, there is not throwing back then easing then throwing back again in another gear. The scenery on the other hand just gets blurriier and blurrier...

Well said. My old LT1 car felt much faster than my Cobra even though it was over 1 second slower in the quarter.
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.... and mine is one of only 242 satin silver Cobras in 2003. You've gotta love the SVT plaque on the valve cover. It contains a pair of signatures of the two-man teams that assembled each car.

Also, after the model year production run has ended, SVT mails a certificate to all Cobra owners identifying "birth date" and sequential number. Pretty cool. Mine was an early production car, sold in June, 2002. Take a look>>

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(I doubt it or it would be all over the SoCal board...unless of course, you lost)
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I've never run a Cobra, but on street tires, im sure it would be a good race.
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Originally Posted by lilbowilson
Hey R4][N_M4l{3R

How is that single pattern cam working out for you on that motor? Ran it at the track yet?
Sorry, I missed your post, the cam is alright, i'm running 12.9s at the track on street tires, but its mainly because of my gears. The next time I have the motor apart i'm doing a better cam and 1.6 Rockers.

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Originally Posted by vampiroc
40K for a used Cobra??? they aren't rare, crap brand new the mystichrome (special color ones) verts didn't even get that expensive. Tell that dealer to get real. Cobras are much smoother accelerating than LT1s. They won't "feel faster" because the torque comes on strong and immediately, there is not throwing back then easing then throwing back again in another gear. The scenery on the other hand just gets blurriier and blurrier...
Lol it sold within two weeks!! I went back yesterday and it was gone! Dude said they got full price for it too.

Yeah the cobra was VERY smooth. Too smooth, imo I like my LT1..

*GAS!*
*Whack! Head hits seat*
*Powershift!*
*Whack! Head hits seat*
*Powershift!
*Whack! Head hits seat*
*Powershift*
*Whack! Head hits seat*
*Finish line...*

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Originally Posted by vampiroc
if he has even a single mod, you won't have enough. Tell the LS1s in your town to grow some ***** and get a bottle if they want to put the cobra in its place.
hey vamp buddy....i dont need no bottle to mess around with the terminators...
has this race happened yet?
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This race haven't happen yet. I haven't seen the car around for awhile. He may be modding it or something. Oh well! Just have to find another sucker.
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make sure he's stock.I went to a dyno day and we had one guy in our club that dynoed his "stock" 04 cobra and hit 392rwhp. I asked him if he was modded and he said it was stock. from what i've seen, he had a cold air intake and maybe an exaust system. Also run him more then once, cuz these car loose considerable hp due to head soak. On that guy second dyno run, he lost at least 30rwhp due to heat soak. they let the car cool down for couple minutes and his final dynoed run he did 371rwhp.
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....Just have to find another sucker.

I might be heading your say in a month or so...... Interested? Yeah, I'll run you with my "slow" car. I doubt I'll be making the drive in my IROC-Z, which has about 200 more horses.....


dynoed his "stock" 04 cobra and hit 392rwhp. I asked him if he was modded and he said it was stock. from what i've seen, he had a cold air intake and maybe an exaust system.

Sounds similar to my setup, except I hit 420 rwhp....
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Originally Posted by PHAT89TA
make sure he's stock.I went to a dyno day and we had one guy in our club that dynoed his "stock" 04 cobra and hit 392rwhp. I asked him if he was modded and he said it was stock. from what i've seen, he had a cold air intake and maybe an exaust system. .
At 392 he should be bone stock down to the paper filter. 99% of all terminators with a CAI and cat-back hit 415 to 430 rwhp.


Originally Posted by PHAT89TA
Also run him more then once, cuz these car loose considerable hp due to head soak. .
Correct. It is a whole new ball game if the Cobra is heat soaked. When mine gets heat socked it is a dog and I have no doubt that a well driven LS1 car would hang if not beat me. Heat soak and these cars is the difference between a 13.5 at 108 and a 12.7 at 112. However, when it is cool out look out. The car is down right scary and there isn't much on the street that can beat these cars. There is a reason Ford/SVT gave it the label of "Terminator".
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i know for sure he had a cold air intake. Don't know about the exaust. My other friend who had an 03 cobra dynoed 425 rwhp with intake, exaust, bigger intercooler, and still on stock pulley.
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Re: 86 Z28 vs 2003 Cobra

I'm glad I joined this website, most of you guys are GM guys but very respecful towards Ford. Congratulations to all of you car enthusiasts, you are the real car enthusiasts!
By the way, does anybody know how much a pulley change should cost? I currently have a bone-stock terminator, I wanted to change the supercharger pulley (2.8), I know they cost arround 80 bucks, and the belt can't cost more than 30 bucks,but the guy at the shop wants to charge me 350 bucks for the whole deal (pulley and belt included).Is he a ripoff or is he just being fair?
I'd really appreciate your help.
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I rely don't know but you got your self one heck of a car there. Also don't you need to do a few supporting mods before you can do a pulley swap (cai, header back exhaust, colder plugs, better wires ect...... ) I know I have to in my Buick or else I will get knock retard.
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I rely don't know but you got your self one heck of a car there. Also don't you need to do a few supporting mods before you can do a pulley swap (cai, header back exhaust, colder plugs, better wires ect...... ) I know I have to in my Buick or else I will get knock retard.
I don't think I need to, since I've seen many Terminators with just a pulley as a mod. They sell those at summit, and the only thing they say is: just install and go. They don't even say you need to change the serpentine, but I'm new with this car, so I don't really know. Thanks for your reply though!
By the way, I'll go to the drag strip in a week, a guy with his C5 wants to race me, the only mods he has are a cai and cat back, do you think I can take him with the stock Terminator, or do I need the pulley?

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Holy 2yr old thread bump Batman.
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Originally Posted by SPDN Abe
I don't think I need to, since I've seen many Terminators with just a pulley as a mod. They sell those at summit, and the only thing they say is: just install and go. They don't even say you need to change the serpentine, but I'm new with this car, so I don't really know. Thanks for your reply though!
By the way, I'll go to the drag strip in a week, a guy with his C5 wants to race me, the only mods he has are a cai and cat back, do you think I can take him with the stock Terminator, or do I need the pulley?

You cannot just do a pulley. Granted it is only a few hundred in parts but the problem is the first time you go WOT with the stock tune it will leave you on the side of the road with a $10K + engine rebuild. A pulley swap MUST include a proper dyno tune, which really requires upgrades to the fuel, exhaust and intake systems. Check out SVT forums for more info.

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Originally Posted by ShiftyCapone
You cannot just do a pulley. Granted it is only a few hundred in parts but the problem is the first time you go WOT with the stock tune will leave you on the side of the road with a $10L + engine rebuild. A pulley swap MUST include a proper dyno tune, which really requires upgrades to the fuel, exhaust and intake systems. Check out SVT forums for more info.
Thanks for the info bro!
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Sweet bump! I had no idea they were called terminator cars. We have a few that lurk around here. Never seen one race before but at least I know to steer clear of them. I am sure they would eat my stock 89 IROC 5.7 alive. Then I would be forced to find them later with my work car and inpound it with a old tow truck and put it on a dirty lot!
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What is a terminator?
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I think a Terminator Car is a nick name for 2003/04 Mustangs. Just find a picture and you will get a feel for where the nickname came from. Of coarse if you have not seen the movie Terminator then it will not make sense to you. Of coarse I could be wrong, but thats how I read it.
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Terminator = 03-04 Cobra
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here's a picture of 2 of the fastest Cobra's around here....the red one is my friends who is pushing 700rwhp on a kennyBell blower...and the silver one is already recorded as the second fasted posted 1/4 time on a ported easton in the nation. runs 10.3's his vids are all over the internet. That cat can flat out drive the **** outta that car...and its only got 20000 miles on it.
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Then I would be forced to find them later with my work car and inpound it with a old tow truck and put it on a dirty lot!

LOL....the cops down in charlotte have impounded two of them and now use them as cop cars....so there is 2 SVT Cobra's running around charlotte with blue lights all over them and also a 350Z turbo car..The cop was at a show that I went to and was actually pretty cool!

here check it out its his car! He was there in uniform and left after the show was over to go on his shift...

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Now that burns. Get pinched and then the cops keep your car! Hmm wonder if my Sheriff will let me do that. I know of a sweet 02 SS garage queen on the east side of the county. Responded to an alarm drop there one night and while checking his house since we found an open door to the garage, walked in and to my surprise there sat her. He said she has 800 orig miles and is the aniversery addition. Said he bought it for a collectors item. And of coarse it sat next to a 69 camaro of the same color. Both looked very minty. Now if I can only get him to take one them out and let me snag it. I am sure neither car has seen 60 mph or a rain drop.

I think the only weird cop car around here is Columbus PD has H1 Hummer for DARE, and some southern county has a VW Thing for DARE.
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