sasser43

Took a drive tonight to celebrate me fixing the gas guage and I wanted to see it move some (sad I know). I was driving down a 2 lane highway not noticing the car in front of me until I noticed its atleast 3 inch exhaust tip. I The pipe leading to it was just as huge, i could see because it wasnt tucked up neatly at all. I didnt hear it because my windows were up along with my music. I could see that it said something on its plates so i stepped into it enough to see what it was but all i could make out was the word "trip." I finally got close enough to see it said "POWATRIP." This actually made me laugh some because of the way he spelled power. I could tell the car was around a 91 model 240sx and it was completely primered. I knew i was gonna probably get a run so I turn the music down, cracked the window a couple inches, and got into my little race mode. I was behind it for about 3 miles before it opened up to a 4 lane road with a turn lane. He moved over, and when i was pulling up beside of him, I noticed a huge tach and radar detector. He was looking at me hard, I glanced over and when i got beside him I stepped into it for a couple seconds. He did the same and when he did I heard the loudest blowoff valve that ive ever heard over his exhaust that actually wasnt that loud. I pulled in the lane behind him and followed. Once we got around the traffic which was light, he moved over to the other lane and I got my tire to the back of his passenger door. I was in 3rd and we were going about 35 mph. He stepped on it and I did right behind him. My transmission dropped to 2nd but as it was doing it, my front tire dropped to his rear tire. After that I was inching and inching on him. By the time we shut down at around 70 mph, my tire was in the middle of his passenger door. I let off and got in the turn lane to take an exit and he kept straight. I wish I could have talked to him to see how much boost he had and see what other mods he had. Pretty much an even race though. It was a good suprise because i thought it was a joke once i saw "powatrip." I guess you have to look out for everyone now tho.

phoenix305

if he had a sr20det i'm surprised he didn't waste you, good run though.

stu

My buddy just finished his turbo kit on his 240 today. He turbo'd the factory 2.4 motor instead of importing the 2.0 sr20det.

sasser43

Is it pretty fast?

So what cars do the sr20det's come out of? Sry I dont know my stuff on the nissan's or what they do to them.

My friend had a 89 300z a while back. Had a good kick to it. I love the look of the last 300z's tho.

stu

That motor comes out of the same car in Japan. I think they called them Silvias there. They look really cool and come with a stock turbo motor. I really wish we'd get all the cool cars that other countries get. I'm sick of getting watered down **** cars. Even Ford is guilty of doing that. The Cosworth Escort is amazing, but here the Escort is a boring *** pile!

stu

Don't you wish there were more cars like this to replace stupid cars like the 90's Thunderbird and the Beretta?

FbodTrek

Prolly a stock SR20 swap, making in the neighborhood of 170ish whp. Stock, they are a joke IMO. I'm not at all surprised you pulled one. A stock swap 240sx, with the dinky turbo 2.0L motor, will snap off 1/4 mile runs in mid/high 14's with a decent driver (sometimes slower). Up the boost to 10 psi, add exhaust, and they'll make close to 200 whp (weaksauce). The 2.4L on the other hand (when boosted)... is a drag racing nightmare. They make as much torque as they do horsepower. They also tend to have a broader powerband (unlike the SR's peaky high revving ability). My car at 7 psi on a relatively small t2 series turbo makes 240 whp on a Mustang Dyno, more than enough power to rape an Acura NSX "supercar"...
Guy you ran into was prolly a "drifter", they like those SR swaps. It's the drag racing 240sx people you have to watch out for, stock ride height adn wide tired are a dead giveaway...

stu

You can "rape" a car that runs 12.9 stock with only 240 whp?

TraviZ

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i could believe it.. when my old engine combo dynod roughly 240 as well to the wheel, i was clicking off 13.1's.

so maybe lightened, and some traction mods ( i didnt have any lol) i could see it beating some stock nsx's

stu

Beating, sure. "Raping" though?

TraviZ

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probably not.

FbodTrek

Depending on year...you should know that. Not ALL NSX's came with the "good" motor, only the newest ones. This was about a 96 model or so. He had a passenger, adn we went at it from a roll. Wasn't rape, but he got pulled pretty damn good. Considering these cars can run high 12's with the whp I'm making...you'd be surprised...
ANd that's 240whp on a MUSTANG dyno, not a dynojet (which is the standard). I could strap it on a dynapack and make 280whp or so...then I guess I can brag
I don't claim to have a racecar, but winning is winning when you walk away from an exotic. I'll take some video this weekend at the track for ya stu...you'll be pleasantly surprised...

stu

No I won't, I know what you are capable of. I was just catching you up on not pointing out that it was a 1996 NSX and not a 2005 NSX.

25thmustang

240 rwhp on a Mustang dyno is NOT 280 rwhp on a dynojet or dynapack. There isnt a 40 hp swing between the two. Maybe 20, but definately not 40. With that said a light 240 rwhp car, could beat a 12.9 car. Your going to need traction if its from a stop and your only going to beat it, not rape it. Now an older one which is probably a 13 second car, yes they are easy to knock off with that kind of power, but who cares, the NSX is not a drag car by any means, and probably one of the weakest (exotics) out there! It feels good to beat and expensive car, but doesnt mean much when its a 13 second one.

sasser43

What exactly is the difference between a mustang dyno and a regular?

I know a place here called fastlane motorsports who turn out some sweet *** foxbodys and newer stangs has one and they advertise their stang dyno, and ive always wondered what made it special.

heres the link if you've never heard of them: http://www.fastlanemotorsports.us/UHome.asp

mw66nova

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i thought that mustang dyno's were just a brand.

FbodTrek

Mustang dyno's are known as "heartbreakers" becasue they hav e a power discrepency compared to the more common Dynojet, adn way uncommon (adn hardly acurate) Dynapack. A Mustang Dynometer reads 7% LOWER than the common Dynojet dyno due to the way it loads the car, adn up to 12% VS. the Dynapack (which removes the rotational mass of the tires/wheels when dynoing). SO lets play math class:
7% of 240 is.....
16.8
12% is....
28.8
So yeah, 280 WAS a little high huh? GOod thing it was only for shock value.
Basically, the Mustang Dyno reads lower than the Dynojet, so if you're looking for high numbers, get on a Dynojet/Dynapack. If you want detonation threshold data closer to real strip conditions, get on a Mustang dyno. there have been many threads about this subject, but it's always easier to type it out then to tell others to
ANyhow, I could care less. I was happy for that kill, walking an 80,000$ car with a car that's totalled less than 3K is an accomplishment, no matter what kinda car you use. I wish I coulda turbo'd my thirdgen

sasser43

Ah got ya. That makes since now. The black mustang they have on their page is making 1015 hp on their mustang dyno. So that would really be 1087 on the dynojet, which is more accurate, correct?

Im happy every race i win period, even a stock civic, its the degree of hapiness.

R4][N_M4l{3R

Good race. People pick on NSXs. They are good cars, but it takes more than a high price tag to make a "supercar".

stu

Yes. The NSX may not be the fastest, but it will go down in history as the car that changed other super cars forever, and no matter how much faster (or cheaper) your car is than an NSX, you can't take that away from it.

FbodTrek

True, but "overpriced for underpowered" comes to mind (and is the moniker that it earned among OTHER supercars). Theya re still sexy looking cars, and great handling. But even teh Latest v6 model is underpowered in comparison.

R4][N_M4l{3R

I blow them away in my 4cyl Porsche (330rwhp)

mw66nova

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wanna run 'em?

R4][N_M4l{3R

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urbanhunter44

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Ahh it's the triangle of death air cleaner.. more than once those things have broke and material has been sucked down the intake..

leeperryracing

Stu, I have never heard anyone over here mention anything about the Escort Cosworth since I left Jamaica! (maybe they just don't know such cars exist) but we got the RS turbo AWD ones in Jamaica and those suckers would rip 12.5's bone stock all day long. If I ever come to have enough money, i'm moving back to Jamaica in a heartbeat and Stu, i'd take you back with me so you could live your dream of being around stock, V8 killing 4cyl. imports all day long

stu

You're hands down one of the coolest members on this board Leeperryracing.

Rally cars are hands down one of THE coolest cars (and styles of racing) that I can even think of. People get excited when a car does 0-60 in under five seconds. The Cosworth Escort will do 0-60 in well under 5 seconds.....in the dirt.

And Ford made it. lol

leeperryracing

yup, they were serious cars and I don't know if you know about their slightly bigger cousin, the Sierra Cosworth(sedan) that thing came with like 18 or 20psi straight out of England to the caribbean. Some of the SERIOUS 4cyl. imports we had to play with back in Jamaica were:
Integra type-R's by Spoon
Toyota Trueno GT-Z supercharged by TRD
R32/R34 twin-turbo skylines by Nismo
Full TRD modded tt supras
Nissan Pulsar GTI-R (280hp turbo AWD hatchback!)
sr20det equipped sentras

They were all light right-hand drive monsters!

FbodTrek

We got the Merkur's XR4ti over here with the same motor (we have two of them in restoration ATM). RAllying IS the best form of racing, and has produced some of the neatest cars around. Every auto entusiast should ahve watched the Group B Rally Video (history of). Car in there that were jsut unbelieveable. 80's era Rally FTW.

leeperryracing

Rally driving is the standard by which good driving is measured

CrazyHawaiian

If you wanna see some cool cosworth escort footage check out the getaway in stockholm series. I forget which number it was, but it was a cosworth escort pushing around 400whp versus a supra tt, very insane street racing. I guess not as cool as rally, but still pretty good footage of how badass the cosworth is (the camera is on the cosworth the entire time), the guy is doing 4 wheel slides on freeway onramps and then topping out on the freeways and side streets.

I've got alot of friends with 240's, I got alot of respect for those cars. Engine power aside, those cars are very well balanced. I've found my pretty much stock L98 IROC-Z is a fun race with a pretty much stock SR20DET powered 240SX. But as soon as they go bigger than stock turbo then its over. I've never raced a turbo KA24DE, but I did meet someone that had gone all out on their KA. He had done the internals of the motor, dunno how much boost or what turbo but he whipped out 393whp on the dyno. So thats the most powerfull KA setup I've seen personally (it was in a S13 hatch). As far as the SR20DET, I've seen a bunch of nice setups here in Hawaii. One of the guys I know with a S13 trunk put down 412whp on the dyno, thats insane. Another guy with a S13 trunk had his motor built to pump out 450+whp but for some reason he had an off day on the dyno. As far as watching them on the 1/4 track, I know 2 guys that used to run the 1/4 regularly even though they were into drifting, they both had SR's w/ bigger turbo and engine management, both putting down around 375whp, and they were good for high 11's on a good run, low 12's on a bad run. Pretty damn good!!

Just to give you guys more info on the USA 240's (in case you come across them on the street). the older 89-94's are the S13 chassis came in both trunk and hatchback, then the 95-98's are the S14 chassis only came trunk style. In japan they are called Silvias, and there are three models, S13, S14, and S15 (S15 version never did come out in the USA). But all 3 of them came with SR20DET motors that will swap into any USA 240SX. You can usually identify them by the color, either red top or black top but then again maybe someone painted it after the fact. I think the ones to really watch out for are the RB series of motors that some people are starting to swap into the S13/S14 chassis. RB's came in alot of Japan cars, the skyline being the most popular. We got a few RB swaps here in Hawaii (one S13, one S14 thats also converted to RHD). You'll be able to spot those easy, the engine barely fits in the engine bay, very little room between the radiator and the engine.

Here's a cool fact, alot of guys here in Hawaii that do SR20DET swaps use radiators made for our Chevy's. No joke!! One of the guys I know that does alot of swaps includes a chevy v8 radiator in the swap.

mw66nova

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seemed like you were braggin' about the porsche, though i'd take on the 383 in your sig too based on the torker II intake and "triangle of death" air filter.

stu

It's Getaway in Stockholm 4 I believe. They had a camera on the Supra, but it was taken out by a rock pretty early. They had other camera angles, but they revealed the drivers too much.

hot92z

Thinking of all the cars that are for sale in other countries makes me mad.

Some of the coolest and best performing cars I have ever laid eyes on are made by domestic companies and sold overseas

80smetalfan

This is off topic, but are these things actually harmful to airflow?

I have one on my Cutlass because it's the only one that will fit under the stock hood, and I've had a couple people tell me that it is very restrictive and only practical on show cars. But this seems like a lot of BS to me.

I was going to the track tonight but I think we've got too much rain so far today . If it ends up drying out somehow, I'll make a run with and without the filter to see if there is any discrepency.

80smetalfan

This is also off-topic, but my electric fan in my car is from a totalled Honda Civic. I'm sort of a traitor, putting Jap parts into my engine bay and whatnot, but it's hard to beat a free fan. I've been using it for about a month now, it actually does cool the thing sufficiently, despite being a tiny single fan. Even though the fan's from a 1.6 non-Vtec Civic motor, I think the fan itself must have VTECHHHHH.

Anywho, so is your boosted L98 car a good race for the 240s with bigger turbos, or do they walk away pretty quick?

mw66nova

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80's metalfan, i would definitely try to find a drop base airfilter that will fit on your car. those triangle air filter elements have a tendancy to deteriorate(sp?) and they will get sucked into the carb...can't be good for the motor.

R4][N_M4l{3R

It's not really bragging when its true...

I use the triange filter because I don't have a riser, and a circular intake crimps my fuel fitting.

CrazyHawaiian

Unfortunately I didnt get to race any 240's with my boosted Z28. When I was cruising with the 240 guys we were usually doing drift runs so I was in my IROC-Z. But for the Z28, some of the best races I had were with bone stock C5 Z06's. But as soon as they did boltons I was toast, they would slowly pull away. I dont think there's really anything to brag about as far as my Z28 goes, its a mismatched combination of parts. Stock L98 and a centrifugal supercharger is a bad matchup!! hahaha. Hoping to get it all worked out pretty soon here, I know I can hit 400whp @ 6psi with the right intake/cam setup and good tune.

stu

I hate Centrifugal blowers. So stupid.

CrazyHawaiian

Well, I wouldnt exactly consider it stupid, but its definately not a good match up for the stock TPI engines. They don't have matching powerbands. Centrifugal supercharger would be better matched to a higher RPM intake/cam/head setup. So thats pretty much what I'm doing hehe (Singleplane EFI w/ aftermarket blower cam).

R4][N_M4l{3R

Your car is gorgeous. Do you have a cardomain where I could see more of it?