1991CamaroRslow

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The stock 4.6 internals all the way up to the newer 3 valve engines are so lightweight with those cracked end rods I wouldn't trust them with anything high power. This is the reason NOS rates there nitrous kits for these engines at crank hp and not wheel hp, the motors are built very lightweight to allow them to rev high and fast and this translates into a loss of bottom end solidness. If you ever get a chance to hold a 4.6 connecting rod and piston in your hand next to a 305 connecting rod and piston you'll see that the Chevy piston is very "over built" compared to the 4.6. My local mechanic has done 2 motor swaps on 4.6's with hammering rods, and my friend with the 98 GT is extremely cautious with his because he knows one mistake is probably going to be the end of the intake or the bottom end. As for the Mach 1's and other 4 valves, I don't know if those bottom ends are any more solid than the 2 valve engines but I do know the 2 valves can be competitive with them with the right cams and heads. All in all the 4.6 is no Ford 302, those motors were built heavy duty and would take alot of abuse; the 4.6 are alot more finicky by design. Just something to keep in mind when you are racing a fast 4.6, the thing might rock right now but there's a good likely hood he's not going to be rocking all that long if it's on a stock bottom end. PS the Bullit mustangs have been overlooked in this discussion, these cars are FAST, a step up from the PI cars, I believe they run right under the Mach 1's and have an aluminum intake from the factory, MUCH more durable than the plastic intake.

90CamaroTBI

Who was it that said that a slightly modded LO3 would be up there with a 96-98 Stang?

ShiftyCapone

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I may not have said it in this thread but I have said it before.

The DOHC 4.6 is one of the strongest motors out there. You can throw all kinds of boost at them and the forged internals just eat it up. There aren't too many small blocks that can do this. Weight doesn't always translate to strength. Ford makes very stout bottom ends. There are many Ford V8 motors that I would put up against any GM as far as strength is concerned. Until the Gen III and gen IV motors came out, Ford's bottom ends were much better IMO.

Orr89RocZ

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well the 03-04 dohc cobra motors are BEASTS... not so sure about the mach I's and older n/a cobras. guys i seen with blowers on them only do 400ish rwhp. i dont think they are forged internals on the n/a 4 valves


hmmm, i havent seen that. all the guys i see on stang net and such only go mid low 13's, with a chance at high 12's on slicks with full bolt ons. they only trap 105-106. they full wieght tho

a guy with stage 1 cams and full bolt ons and 150shot went 12.4 at 115mph.

i dont see low 12's with stock heads/cam without weight reduction, like you mentioned.

the fastest 4 valve i know of on stock heads/cams internals i believe is bob cosby with his 11.60 run. he has cut out near 300lbs off the car and has full bolt ons and cuts 1.5 60 foots. dang good drivng

25thmustang

Dont go to Stangnet, hell there my car is a *** send, yet on the more race oriented sites my cars average! Go to Modular Depot sometimes and see whats really up! The numbers I talk about are on slicks, some cars have weight removed but some are full weight.

Bob Cosby has been that fast, and I actually have seen a guy who went 11.3 with an NA 96-98 Cobra, on a stock long block. That car was insanely light, and a race car, but still very stout!

Id say for a street car, mid to high 12s for the GT, mid to low 12s for a Cobra should be what a good driver can do with bolt ons and traction on stock long blocks!

TBI92Camaro

Considering the fastest N/A 2v is Ken Bjonne's (sp?) GT in NMRA and runs mid 10's, thats not too shabby....but his car is a gutted race car and puts down right at 360RWHP.....get the picture?

25th, you should have NO problem running those times. My buddy has a 99 GT and had some decent Comp Cams, full exhaust, 4.30 gears, and SCT handheld tuner and ran 8.4's in the 1/8th.......his cams werent all that great IMO. I say with FULL bolt ons, good driving and sticky tires, 12's are no problem whatsoever...BTW, he was on 18in Bullitt's w/Nitto 555R's.....

The stock GT (2valve) crank has seen over 500HP plenty of times before. the 4.6L DOHC's form 96-01 are stout and can handle some good, solid power stock....but eventually, time to go forged.

the reason 03-04's put down insane power levels is that they share a trait the 5.0's had...forged internals. a Terminator motor is fully forged from the factory. Less worries about breakage

and if you'll take a 305 over a cobra....you, sir, are a clown.

TBI92Camaro

BTW, go to www.stangcrazy.com......you'll see a "few" quick folks there

90CamaroTBI

Do the 4V from the Mach ones or the earlier Cobras have forged internals?

urbanhunter44

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depends on how much the cobra would cost. If it was gonna cost me 6k+ to get into one, i'd do a 350 swap and rape the cobra. You can build a pretty f*cking tough 350 for 6k, and i guarantee it will have NO problem with that cobra.

for 6k i better be making a reliable 400+ rwhp N/A. If you budget right you can fit a supercharger in there and make ~500.

88_Import_Slaye

if it's a 4.6, it might be a mod motor. The motor was built by Yamaha and will own your 3rd gen.

25thmustang

But you still own an old car with a ton of miles, getting crap gas mileage, probably has a big cam which will make it less streetable (unless you want to sit at every stop light bumping back and forth on the way to work), the rattling old interior, and all the other cons of an older car (no matter the brand).

The probalem is a lot of you guys ONLY look at 1/4 times when deciding what others should own. I for one would personally over look 1/4 times, and pay attention to the CARS as a whole. The 4.6 Cobra is a newer, tighter, faster (stock) car. Your $6000 will go a long way into a motor, but then you have a peice of s**t car with a stout motor, and have to throw a few more grand into the chassis, suspension, interior and everything else to get it close to the Cobra!

(BEFORE) you attack me, Id say the same with a 5.0 vs an LT1 or LS1 car, why just try to go fast when you can have it all!

If you want go spend $6000 on a motor, then spend the rest of your money trying to get the car to run right, hook, and feel new, or spend the money on a Cobra, drop a SC on it (the DOHC motors werent forged but with a good tune, 500 safe rwhp is easy) and have a nice mid 12 second (street tires) 500 hp car, that feels, and drives stock! But in the end do what you want, its your money!

It is a 4.6, it is a mod motor (all 4.6s are), and I dont believe it was build by anyone but Ford. I might be wrong, but the only motor built by Yamaha I can recall was the SHO 3.0, 3.2, and 3.4 V8 (I think it was a 3.4, Im not an SHO guy). But feel free to rpove me wrong, Im always up for learning!

Orr89RocZ

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thats only if the car is a piece of ****.... a old car thats well taken care of and restored right, shouldnt rattle/etc etc. and 6K into a small block will go good and be plenty streetable. low low 12's with LPE 219 383 superram motor. and add some spray for 11's and be plenty streetable. hell 87 TA had a 406 trans am that was street driven and plenty streetable. he went 10.0 at 133 with a 150 shot. a milder version for more streetability would be awesome and still get decent gas mileage.


you can throw in a used LS1 into a thirdgen and go mid 12's with lid/exhaust and drag radials all day long. and gas mileage is impressive

and a thirdgen can be made to handle extremely well, which is one reason i got one.

not tryin to knock a cobra as they are very nice cars, i just see better options out there for the prices of cobras and old cars can have it all too. i'd rather build my car than buy one already made

25thmustang

I understand what can be done, but the amount of money, time and work to restore, and make the power I just dont see it worth it. Now like said before everyone is different and will have a different opinion on this situation, but unless you LOVE the thirdgen, Id say go for the deal on the Cobra if its a good one!

Also to note, streetable, and being a nice daily driver are two different things. A built 383 with a big cam isnt a great DD, yet the LS1 swap you mentioned would be. i guess its all in what you want and need!

88_Import_Slaye

Exellent statement. Exactly how I feel, but the other POV makes sense too. It all comes down to who you are on the inside. Personally, I dont mind having no interior, a 310 that shakes the car at stop lights, or a ear pearicing rev cause of open headers (soon to be fixed). That is how I built the car. I gutted it, rebuilt the motor with a big cam and didnt put any exhaust on.

But, I do enjoy driving my wifes new dodge truck. It's comfortable, is quiet when cruizing and I can listed to the great sound system.

Depends on your personality, which will change as age comes. I'm sure that 10 years from now, when i'm 34, I will want a quieter motor so I can "rock out with my **** out".

So you really shouldnt bash anyone for their choice, unless their choice was based on, "I saw it in fast and furious and it beat an import".

stu

88_Import_Slaye?

Is that like an 88 Civic hatch with skis instead of wheels? Talk about horse power.

TBI92Camaro

2nded...I mean, I sure do fear the mighty power of the weak-kneed 305....oh wait, its got 5 more cubes, its a THUNDEROUS 310....oh noes

OK, you spend 6k for a motor.....thats just the motor. You can spend 10k for a CLEAN 96-98 Cobra.....all aroundcar too. Good condition, good handling, and pretty damn nice. You'll spend over 10k on an old ThirdGen to do that and the streetability a 4.6L Mod motor provides is unreal. My friend has a 96 Cobra and DAILY DRIVES it....its an n/A 12 second car. He pulls like 24MPG or so.

Also, what about rearend??? you guys have the weak 7.5 in....ALL V8 Mustangs were equipped with an 8.8, DAMN strong rear from 87-present....

you speak of an LS1-swap. In order to make a ThirdGen w/LS1 be BETTER than a Cobra, youll be $15k+...trust me, I reasearched this stuff.

and then again, its differant strokes for differant strokes. I still love ThirdGens. But NEVER diss the Cobra's, they are awesome cars and Id KILL to have one in my garage in place of my 5.0

88_Import_Slaye

Yes, since I live in siberia, it's easier to get around in my slaye vs my 3rd gen. Here in siberia, my import ski's are *** compared to chevy v8! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I have a custom built hatch release so when i'm going too fast down a hill, I can pop th hatch and it will help slow me down.

j/k

TGO didnt allow for my full name '88 Import Slayer'

Also, dont slam my 310. I dont claim to be bad ***. It's MY car, I built it myself, learning each step of the way. Plus, i'll just run over your cobra with my Dodge 1500

ShiftyCapone

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Most of us would agree with that and in a fantasy world that’s what we would all do. However, it is easier to be approved and make payments on a 300 to 400hp car that has a warranty, new paint, modern brakes, great mileage, great rear end, and re-sale value than it is to dump a liquid 10k into an older platform only to bring it up to an equivalent status.

With the HP wars that are going on now you can get a reliable13 second car and net 25mpg all with a warranty and modern performance features. You cannot do that with a car you build in your garage. You can finance a ‘03/’04 cobra. You cannot ask the bank for $6k for an 382 all bore LS1 swap, lol.

As I was "building" my 3rd gen I bought a 4th gen to drive as is. In the end that was the best thing I ever did. 300hp, 3.42 gears with posi, T56, leather, T-tops, bose stereo, 4 whl disk brakes, 28mpg, and the list goes on. I bought it for $10k and sold it for $10k after driving it for three years. There is no way in hell I could have done the same thing with my 3rd gen for the same end net value.

88_Import_Slaye

your missing the point man, the essence of HOT RODDING is building HOT RODS, not buying them. For all those ppl who buy a Boyd Cottington car, I dont see the point. If your a race team, then maybe, or if your an old fart who just wants a fun car without the hassle, then fine. But there again, we get into "Who you are".

I dont want a damn cobra. I think they are ugly. I enjoy older cars like 3rd gens, fox body's, C3's and Chevelles. I enjoy working on my car. It's my hobby. If buying crap was my hobby, then buying a cobra would be what i'd do! I spend all day fixing computers, I want to go home and work on the car. It's relaxing. To each his own man, it's like religion, dont force it on others because YOU think it's the right way to go.

Opions are like a$s holes, everyone has one, and they all stink dude.

lilbowilson

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That really just depends on the type of person you are if you want to look good with a little above average power then go with the Cobra. Me I like my thridgen and I can work 6k like no other for my car. I can say this because I've done it and I enjoy doing it. In my opinion thats better than buying a car already done. Its like being on a episode of overhaul but your calling all of the shots!

88_Import_Slaye

If you REALLY wanna talk about spening 6k, turbo kits are < 3k. Hmm...

ShiftyCapone

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I am talking in the context of a daily driver. I have plenty of cars in my shop that I build. It too is my hobby and my love. I get your point but perhaps you missed mine. "Hot Rodding" is not cheap these days. Old muscle classics, where mods are cheap and easy, are few and far between. That leaves modern sports cars of all makes and models to choose from. These modern sports cars just so happen to come with a high level of performance. Not everyone can hot rod a car and expect it to get them to work, school, across the country ect ect for years on end. Some people have to start with a car that already has "performance" added to it from the factory in a well thought out, reliable, safer and easily affordable package because they don’t have the means or the funds to “hot rod” it. They also don’t have to worry about a weekend project keeping them from getting to work on Monday.

88_Import_Slaye

you make a good point too.

urbanhunter44

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I don't see any cons to getting horrible gas mileage and having the car shaking back and forth at stop lights.. no cons to having it loud as hell and sounding like it's going to die. No cons to having an old car with all it's old car charm (a few rattles and squeaks).

Some of us like that stuff. To me the essence of hot rodding is having a car that makes kids run in fear, makes everyone's eyes water from the exhaust, and makes everything think the apocalypse is coming up the road when it's just you whomping on it.

I'd take that ANY DAY over a 96/97 cobra LOL no questions asked.

Orr89RocZ

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yeah i agree with you guys that a modern cars that are being produced now are good bargains. you get warranty, all fresh parts and stuff.

but some of you are acting like the cobra is a gift all mighty car. granted its nice , but its not that nice. its a mid high 13 second car bone stock from 96-98. 99,01's can do bottom 13's at 103-04. handling is ok but nothing outstanding. pulls around .89 G's from tests i seen. iroc has done .92. braking is good with 13inch front rotors with dual pistons and 11.65 inch rears... but i can have that for 800bucks for the front and now with 12inch rotors with my 300 buck LS1 rear.

the cobra gets 18mpg city... 26 highway as advertised. my 16 year old TPI motor with 150K miles is gettin 17daily driving hard, and like 24mpg highway... with a better tune and the right engine setup, there is no reason not to beable to obtain decent gas mileage while having good power. i know of a few 12 second setups that get good mileage. in order for the cobra to high 12's, its gonna need gears to wake up that DOHC and alot of bolt ons to do 12's which indeed will lower gas mileage.


just saying, if you build it right, there is no reason why u cant have good daily driving characteristics (good gasmileage) and make solid power. its been done over and over again in alot of cars.

and resale isnt important to me as i dont plan on selling the car LOL

how u figure that? i could get an LS1 complete with trans for 3-4 grand. add a 300-500 buck converter and 300 buck 3.42 LS1 rear. add 1-2K in swap parts from spohn and the car is doing bottom 12's on slicks. wheres 15K plus coming from??? even with brand new 6 grand crate LS1 with 2K inswap parts.. 2K buck new trans. 800 buck yank converter. thats 10800.

TBI92Camaro

Not true. My buddy has a 96 Cobra with 4.10's he just took a trip to Florida 2 weeks ago. He pulled 26MPG the whole way down and back and he mentioned he even raced a few oflks and ran it up to 6200RPM. Another local Stanger has a 98 cobra has 4.56 gears and his car is driven throughout the week. he pulls 24MPG driving aorund 60MPH to work......thats DAMN good for those gears.

Then my friend has an 04 GT with 4.10's....he pulls 24MPG or so on the highway with a 5spd......

You make gears sound so bad. When I swapped from 2.73's to 3.73's, I GAINED 2MPG in city and 4MPG on the highway in my 5.0/5 speed hatch.....Remember, Dont Fear the gear!!!

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how u figure that? i could get an LS1 complete with trans for 3-4 grand. add a 300-500 buck converter and 300 buck 3.42 LS1 rear. add 1-2K in swap parts from spohn and the car is doing bottom 12's on slicks. wheres 15K plus coming from??? even with brand new 6 grand crate LS1 with 2K inswap parts.. 2K buck new trans. 800 buck yank converter. thats 10800.

How do I figure? Lets see....Most LS1/T56 combos Ive seen go for around 4k-5k. Then you have to buy the car....Most people spend 3-5k on a nice lil thirdgen, then decide to drop some power in it.....but lets say 3500 for a nice lil 305-powered ThirdGen. And wasting time with a 4L60E is dumb....they can only take so much abuse till they die...might as well go T56, Ive seen plenty stock ones clear 500HP all day long and urn down the track on slicks.

So lets say after buying the car and buying a used LS1/T56 combo, you have 8k. then you have to buy some suspension/chassis parts to stiffen it up so it doesnt twist all to hell. Then you got 9500 there. Oh wait, the weak-kneed junk 7.5 rear is still there. that wont last long on DR's, nevermind slicks. Time to upgrade that....another 2500 down the drain.......11,500 at now.

then you need to address the cooling system...liek radiator and fans. Oh yeah, and might as well work on upgrading brakes too. Then you'll need to fab adequate exhaust for the Ls1 to breathe.....either dumped duals or a big y-piped setup.

So youll have from 10-12k easily in your car...and thats if you do it ALL yourself. I know theres MANY people who cant do all the labor all by themselves and will need to pay someone to do that stuff for them. Not to mention the "little stuff" liek gaskets, fluids, brackets, etc.....trust me, that little **** will add up.

Of course, thats an exhaust-only LS1/T56 combo...and hell, if you did that, might as well hop into a cam swap, intake swap, etc....

all cars will take mods true. Hell, I want to build an LS1 thirdGen pretty badly...but its not cheap to do. Plus, liek Shifty said, its easier to get a 10k loan for a FULL car, liek a Cobra, than it is to attempt to get a 10k loan to do a swap in your ThirdGen....

And if you can afford to do an Ls1 swap right out of your pocket....hook me up with your job. I make allright money and cant afford that...hell the way I break stuff, I cant afford to do cars period

urbanhunter44

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Like my car, after changing my o2 sensors finally, I get 24mpg highway with my 4.10s THROUGH A 4L60-E and about 18 in city.

25thmustang

Ive seen 27 on a trip last summer, and average mid 20s on the highway as well...

A lot of you guys are missing my point, Im talking for a person a budget who has to have their DD be their fun/race car it just sint practical to have a Huge cammed, stroker motor in front of a big stall and steep gears. I did however say that to each his own, and a lot of you guys hate Ford and Id never expect you to agree with me, but to a lot of other people it would be smarter to get the newer better car!

Im only talking about the Cobra because the kid who posted said he could get a deal on one, not an LT1, not an LS1 not anything but a Cobra. If you can work a deal on a better car and then hot rod that (not building a motor, but other aspects of the car) your doing alright!

I guess Im in the minority when I say Id like a smooth idle (I have that), a stock feeling and riding car (got that too), decent gas mileage (got that as well), and enough power to keep me happy (Im happy going mid 12s for a bit).

In the end whatever you Hot Rod is your car, so build what you like!

hot92z

All i gotta say is that I would prefer to buy a decent condition Cobra or Lt1 F-body and drive it daily 8 months out of the year (Minnesota winters suck) and the other 4 in my 2004 stratus.

That makes a lot more sense then spending all my free time and money on my camaro IMHO.

Plus as long as iam pulling decent grades in college and stay out of trouble my parents would help me make payments on it

88_Import_Slaye

Agiain, that is who you are.

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That makes a lot more sense then spending all my free time and money on my camaro IMHO.

That tells me that your camaro is not your hobby. Mine is. I love working on my camaro while the kids sleep, then spending time with them when they are awake. Gotta have things to keep my mind stress free. I'm sure you have them, mine just happens to be my camaro.

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Plus as long as iam pulling decent grades in college and stay out of trouble my parents would help me make payments on it

Great, but I paid off my camaro 5 years ago. Paying off wifes new truck now. Dont have mom and dad to help me. Keep up the good grades. dont be like me

Orr89RocZ

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wow thats pretty good! never really heard of a gain. you'd figure your rpms will be higher now with gears, which they are while cruising... so using more gas while your at it. usually goes down. 2.77 to 3.27s for me lost a 1mpg or 2.


ok i see where your coming from now. for a daily driver tho, the 7.5 inch rear is fine and u dont really need a T56. and i wasnt really including the cost of the car... i thought u ment 12 grand INTO an existing car.

i understand what your saying.. a new car is nice to have and smarter in alot of cases.. i want a New gto. but i'm not talkin huge cammed stroker motor here. a 350-383 motor with LPE cam and superram when tuned good is a solid mid low 12 second car at 110-114mph and idles very near stock. there are alot of other combos i could think of that idle fine like stock and run good times. just depends on the person and their wants/needs

hot92z

I have spent alot of time on that car and its decently quick but I want to give it to my brother and get another. And since I got a grant to go to college it only cost me $155 for the year so I will be able to afford something else soon enough.

Yeah i paid for my Camaro in full when i bought it thanks to mom and dad and a wicked report card

If i spend that same amount of time and money on a newer car like a Cobra or newer F-body the results will....well lets say they will be impressive

Sooo...when is the thread starter gonna fill us in about what happened between him and that Gt?

89IrocZ350TPI

I agree. My L98 runs mid 13's. If I put all the money my car has into an LS1 id be running very low 12's by now.

urbanhunter44

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I'd go for a 6spd LT1 if i were you. It'll run the same times stock and has a bigger motor (more potential) with a huge (and cheap) aftermarket. A $1300 heads/cam package from Lloyd Elliot, plus a full exhaust, bigger TB and tuning will give you 375 RWHP. You can even make a 396 LT1 stroker if you wanted to.

One of the biggest reasons I will never.. ever.. step into a 4.6 car is the motor. It's expensive to work on and it is very small displacement.

lilbowilson

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Not true. My buddy has a 96 Cobra with 4.10's he just took a trip to Florida 2 weeks ago. He pulled 26MPG the whole way down and back and he mentioned he even raced a few oflks and ran it up to 6200RPM. Another local Stanger has a 98 cobra has 4.56 gears and his car is driven throughout the week. he pulls 24MPG driving aorund 60MPH to work......thats DAMN good for those gears.

I hope I'm not the only one who thinks thats the biggest bunch of BS on this forum! So tell me how is it that every car magazine says otherwise. Why don't the Manufacturers just put 3.73s and 4.10 gears in cars? They don't because it doesn't give you 26mpg!
An don't say don't believe everything you read in mags because I'm going to say don't believe your friends!

In order to make a ThirdGen w/LS1 be BETTER than a Cobra, youll be $15k+...trust me, I reasearched this stuff.

Well I just spent just over 6K on my thirdgen $2500 into the engine, $800 tranny, $1000 rear, $1000 suspension and $1000 interior. I took out my friends 351 95 saleen repeatedly and I run mid 12s! An he said my car handles just as good as his. So I don't know what kind of research you've done but I know what I've done. If I had 15K it would be 2 times the car a stock LS1 would be.

25thmustang

He should look into an LT1, but he mentioned working a deal out on a Cobra that he knows the history of, which isnt bad. And saying there is more potential in the LT1... potential for what, both cars can run whatever you want (I dont know many budget minded younger guys worried about going 9s) so unless you plan to go 9s or 8s, I dont see one having more potential to be an issue, Hell even then the DOHC 4.6 will run into the 9s and 8s... so thats a mute point.

I believe the mog thing. When I had the auto my mpg sucked with 2.73s and improved with 3.73s. Even with my 5-speed and the car tuned to run track times (18 degrees of timing, 40-41 psi of fuel) it nails down easy mid 20s on the highway! I dont care what mags say about gas mileage, I car what my car says about gas mileage!

My point is this more or less... Daily Driving/Racing/Cruising in the same car is hard on it. Starting with an older car vs a newer (we assume less abused) could lead to more headaches. And unless you replace everything in the older car to make it newer, it will always be an older car! I can see the idea of hobby, and all that, but Im speaking more or less in what I would do, and a lot of other people. Agree to disagree thats the nice thing about opinions.

My hobby is my car, to a degree. I enjoy working on it, making it faster, and using it (more so using it than anything) and you can do the same thing in a newer Cobra. Sure some people might enjoy replacing heater cores, and other items that break in older cars (as part of their hobby), but I would rather own a newer car which wont have those issue, and mod it for the hobby aspect, not fix it!

hot92z

There we go....I have been spending ALOT more time fixing things instead of modding and thats starting to wear on my patience and my pocket book these past 3 years.

My uncle said 4 grand which isnt too bad...he is the second owner and he bought it with a blown engine that he rebuilt and modded a bit.

I would be happy with mid to low 13's...thats my goal for a quick daily driven car that wont see much abuse anyway

25thmustang

$4000

I was looking at a 97 the other day in MA. I have been contemplating buying a 96-98 and have been looking a good amount. Found that one for $10,500 which is an insane buy, but $4000. Id ****** that up fast if the cars clean, and not destroyed!

hot92z

haha yeah but I gotta have the title reissued for the United States since the car is in Mexico and then I gotta either ship it to Minnesota or take a plane or bus down and drive 20 hours back.

Yeah for those who dont know iam Mexican

25thmustang

Id check into the shipping thing. My friend had a few cars shipped and it didnt cost all that much, and if the car is in good shape your still ahead of the game!

hot92z

I called him up and its a vert

Nate86

Guess you missed the sarcasm in that post. Oh well.

25thmustang

Yeah well its hard to read sarcasm online. One more reason I hate computers compared to real life!

ShiftyCapone

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FWIW, shipping a car 20 hours will cost near $3k. My company ships cars all over the world and even the shortest distances are $1500.

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