69charger383

This kid at my school keeps talkin smack about how my car will never beat his cause my engine sucks. Hes got a 91-92 Plymouth Laser RS. Its the 2.0L turbo FWD and a 5-speed mods are only a K&N cone filter. I got my 86' 2.8/auto with no cat, light P&P on the plenums and ram air. The guy cant launch if his life depended on it. Anyways I wanted to know what would the outcome of this race be? I think I can take him off the line but on top end hes got me.

mrpopo573

Before we go any further, why aren't you racing him with the 383 equipped vehicle?

mrpopo573

I just read the turbo fwd part. He will win against your six. And win big in my opinion.

25thmustang

Why even ask that? The 2.8 cars were incredibly weak (and in a heavy car). Take the **** talkers as they come and go, and dont give in! I have a 4cyl Mustang that would lose a race to a school bus, but would never give in to someone making fun of it and saying they would beat it. I just laugh and say, you would!

stokedporcupine

i have a 91 non turbo laser, and its a dog, but, from the reviews i read of the turbo, it would give a stock l98 a run for its money. the turbo is suppost to run mid 14's or so. idk what the exact hp is on your v6, but i'd imagen its around like 140 or so, and your car weights about 3400lbs. the turbo laser has about 195 hp and probably just as much tq if not more then you, and it only weights 2700lbs. i think it will kill you, off the line and up top.

69charger383

Well the 383 equipped vehical isnt operational yet. Im not at 3400lbs Im around 3200. I do think I can take him cause when he launches all he does is spin the tires all the way through 2nd, thats why I said he cant launch. I know I wont take him top end for sure but I might have him off the line...

69charger383

we're gonna race when the roads clear up from all the sand n snow.

mrpopo573

Don't take this as an insult at all, but after he is done spinning his tires due to his more powerful motor, he is going to reel you in and pass you, hard.

Just don't take his trash talking personal, obviously he is compensating for something.

25thmustang

Good luck waiting for the roads to clear up. Im from CT too, and your going to be waiting until April or so before they sweep them clean (maybe even May)... Lets hope he doesnt mod his car any, or learn how to launch it (not too hard to do...). Id say just let him talk what he wants, because if and most likely when you lose, hes only going to have proof of what he says!

goodtimes11

Here's a thought why don't you save yourself the gas and not race because you will lose badly. The fwd turbo dsms run about as fast as tpi 305s, while awd turbo dsms about as fast a 350tpi. Even with a crappy driver such as him you would still lose he will catch up to you.

oh and the fwd turbo dsm weight about 2800 pounds

PhAnToMs

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they run flat 15's stock both the awd and the fwd. you run 17's if you are lucky Rev at a cavilier he will kick your *** lol. well hopfully the 2.2 2200 are both around 17 ecotec does high 15's/low 16's stock 2.4 same as eco

urbanhunter44

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The only way you'd win is if his motor blew on launch.

69charger383

Well another thought would be instead of sitting on my *** letting him talk ****. I could actually go race him and hope for the best. Id rather loose then wonder what if I won... They clean up the roads pretty quick around here so it shouldnt be long. I kept up with him in the rain but only cause neither of us could hook up. Do any of you think I can pull a faster 60' than him?

Demon355

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It doesn't matter if you get him off the line, he'll still smoke you. What are you not getting here?

goodtimes11

and when he wins you won't here the end of it. wait until you have the 383 and smoke his ***

69charger383

I know hell beat me top end I said that before. Ill smoke his *** with this V6 in the summer. But for now I wanna see how I stand up to his car. If I can get him off the line I wont need too much work to keep up.

firebird45331

Hmmmmm, your car 130 hp 3400 lbs ???

his car??? 190-210 hp 2900ish? safe your gas wait on the 383 and walk him.

69charger383

3200lbs..... Hes prolly 175ish @wheels n Im porlly around 110. I can do a cam intake and fuel pump and prolly get to around the same torque but thats not all you need to win. What about gearing?? Power isnt everything...

stu

Power to weight is everything. Like they are telling you, bad launch or not, you're going to get walked. Just how short of a race were you planning to have? One Block?

firebird45331

even if it's a block he'll own you.

stokedporcupine

you wont smoke his ***, at all. he doesnt just have you on the top end, he has you all over. launching isnt that hard, he wouldnt even have to..... he's not going to spin the tires if he launches from 750 rpms, and he'll take you off the line if he does that. and even if he does spin, and you get ahead for the first 60 ft or w/e, he'll fly past you then, you wont be able to hold him off.

what about gearing? do you know what gears a laser has? mine came with 5.12's...... im at 6000 rmp's by like 15mph(or something like that, literally). idk what your car has, but im assuming its deffinitly not an advantage to you. trust me, he has you killed in power, in weight, in gearing, in torque, in EVERYTHING. the only way he could lose is if he's a dumb *** and tries to launch that at like 3000rpm's or something and brakes something on the car.

im not trying to be rude, but wake up. your v6 was never ment to be a performance motor, weither it came in an f-body or not..... that laser wasnt designed to be some soccer mom economy car like an early 90's civic is, it was designed to be a sports car(and for only 15 grand i think it was pretty damn good for the early 90's). there's no reason your car should win, it was made to get good gas millage(the v6 anyway), not pound pavement.

there's not some rule that just because your v6 came in a CAMARO that it HAS to at least keep up with an old turbo 4 banger.

edit: no offense, but maybe to put it in perspective, i'd put money down that my NON TURBO 5 speed 91 laser would beat you too.... my car has the same hp as yours, better gearing for its powerband, and weights 500 lbs less(2700lbs for the non turbo laser vs your 3200 or w/e). and if mine would beat you, a turbo should walk you.

think of it this way, we're all telling you that a turbo laser should basicly keep up with AT LEAST a 305 tpi camaro, if not give a 350 tpi a good run for its money. would you ever even consider your car able to hold its own against a 305 or 350 tpi camaro? no, you wouldnt. so why would you think your car could hold its own against the laser?

PhAnToMs

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ya dude no chance at all but your car may look better only chance you got. he probally even has you in gas mileage too. just cause you have a v6 and he has a 4cyl that doesnt mean anything nowadays

69charger383

Well **** Porcupine if you wanna race me Im fine with that... I gotta fix a fuel leak first tho ok? He launches at 6K.. I know hell do it this race too cause he cant launch. Ive even tried telling him to launch at a lower rpm and feather it but he does a 6K sidestep. And I will smoke him this summer. Dont say I wont cause you dont know wtf Im doing to the car. **** I could be swapping in an LS1 for all you know. Not gonna but just making an example. Im gonna take him off the line just not sure for how long.

fly89gta

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I hate to say it but your toast....bring extra butter.

goodtimes11

Well i guess its going to be a short race 10ft. Make sure to flash your hazards when you win . if you can reach up in time.



This guys is as bad as most of the r!cers.

stokedporcupine

you never said anything before about doing any work to your car, everyone's replies have been about your car staying pretty much stock. so ah, maybe you should calm down and try to be more clear.

urbanhunter44

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Lol maybe in a 10 foot race he'd win if the other guy smoked his tires really really bad.

Dude ur gonna lose no matter how much bench racing you do. I guess you've never driven a car with more HP than the V6 eh? Try driving something with about 350 hp, which is pretty standard in fast street cars nowadays. You'll realize just how slow that V6 is.. and in QUITE a hurry.

25thmustang

You asked the outcome, and half the site came on and said you will lose... If you want us to say under the perfect conditions (him launching at 5748384 RPM, and missing 3 gears) you MIGHT win, then Okay, you could win, if he is a one footed gorilla... but we are all 99.9% sure he is going to walk you no matter how he launches!

This summer is a good goal to beat him... but for now, your car will get destroyed...

And I LIVE in CT, they DONT sweep the road until April or May, so whether or not they are wet, icy or what, there will be sand, and it WILL be dangerous...

Just do what you want. If and when you lose, it wont get posted, you will be ridiculed from everyone who knows about the race, and it will just eat away at you. But what do we know, none of us have had fast cars, or race anyone... Just take the wise advice given... hold off till summer (safer and you have time to mod) and maybe even take it to a track!

stu

Even if there was sand, ice and ball bearings, he's only got the V6. The race will be over before it's dangerous.

1991CamaroRslow

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THERE IS A WAY!!! It's a 2 part system. The first part will involve your car. You need to gut every bit of interior aside from the drivers seat (I'm serious on this) the water pump and the alternator, drain 1 quart of oil out of your car (to prevent the crank from sloshing through the oil), do a fresh tune up to it, install the STEEPEST gears you can find (4.56 or better, they can be gutted out of a 4 cyl S10 Blazer) and get some sticky tire. Even then he'll still have an advantage; here's where part 2 comes in. Tell him you want to check out his motor RIGHT before the race, when you're under there pull a plug wire off and do the thing!!! If you still lose, put your car back together, hang your head in shame and admit loss to a chrysler/mitsubishi mutt

84RIceEater

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


and What if we does get a good launch?

1991CamaroRslow

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Another way to save face will be to jump him off the line, as soon as he starts catching up slam on your brakes, go back to all you friends and talk mad Sheet about how you "pulled him hard" then refuse to run him again because you're tires are in a bad mood or something. If it all comes down and he just starts beating you aside from all your work make eleventy billion excuses about why your car couldn't pull, then post them here and we'll be LS1tech

1991CamaroRslow

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PS: GST Eclipses are faster than GSX Eclipses, and they are FAST you have a major fight on your hands, but everyone loves an underdog just don't let us down or we won't love you anymore!

ShiftyCapone

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Alright guys. I think the point has been made.

69charger383,

Good luck to you and your race.