redcamaro1989

who do you think would win. this kid in my class is running his mouth saying if we ever pulled up to a stoplight all i would see are his tail lights. he has a big stero to add weight and nice big shiny rims. who do you think would win. oh and the car is a 1997 v6 accord and mine is a 1989 305 tbi.

redcamaro1989

oh and the are both auto

ShiftyCapone

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He basically set himself up for a loss by asking you to run from a dig. From a roll he would most likely edge you out but from a dig he is meat.

cali92RS

Man, i dont know dude...
I think you PROBABLY would get him because he has an auto and he has to rev the **** out of an accord before it makes power.
But 305TBI's arent race cars and have been known to be embarrassed by Honduhs before. Believe me, i know, i have a basically stock 305 TBI.

redcamaro1989

so yes or no ill win...plus lol he braggs to much and yu ask him somehting about his car he is like idk....he knows nothing about cars...he will broble just wait till go and slam the gas down...no power brakeing or anything and start in drive

ShiftyCapone

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It is impossible to say. Do you have any track times on your car? What is the state of tune of your car? When cars reach 16+ years of age it is hard to predict what they will run.

PhAnToMs

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i think 97 were the older v6s so i say you will win but might be close if its the newer style v6 they run like mid 14's

stu

The kid is for sure a tool. This is probably his first car, because everyone's first car is always the fastest. There is a chance he'll beat you, but his big ugly wheels, and his crappy subs (that probably rattle) aren't helping him at all. I also want to guess that he's probably an idiot who thinks that manually shifting his car will make him faster, so if you just wait long enough, he'll break it. Auto Honda trannys don't tolerate jackass drivers like that.

kowboy59

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man i hate those ricers that think there stock cars r the best. it gets annoying where im from. all i ever hear is dat fart can late at night. but in ur case u should get him. he'll prolly be payin too much attention too his music than racin you.

pvt num 11

My first car was a Hyndai Excel, 1992 hatchback. Never again. Even then I knew it was dog-slow, but it was light and seemed to handle okay... It seems that every car I get, they just get faster.

89 Grand Prix 3.1 LHO
96 Grand Prix 3100
88 GTA L98
89 TTA LC2

Gosh, what's next...?

redcamaro1989

so basicly from a stop i should win....lol and here there are way too many ricers..that is all there is and mabey like 5 real cars around here...the rest are civics they thing are fast as hell

Catfootball62

1988 Chevrolet S-10....i was pretty sure mine wasnt near the fastest!!!

But yea go smoke the accord....and if you dont....dont tell anyone!!

PhAnToMs

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newer 2 door civics with that little thirdgen camaro wing 91-92 hi rise might get ya...

redcamaro1989

now he is saying he has a manual.i havent seen the car but he talks alot of crap i dont think he knows what he is talking about but now he wants to put 200 dollars on the race but im gonna look under the hood before i do it. what do yall think

stu

I think you waited too long.

redcamaro1989

lol no he is stalling. he is all like but wait till i get this and that

pvt num 11

...because he probably knows he will lose. You could always respond with "well, okay, I'll wait, but that will give me time to stick [insert mod here] on the car, and you'll still lose..." Oh, and take it to the track, I'd hate to read how you both got busted for racing on public roads, or worse.

82knightrider

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You will smoke him like a marlboro

redcamaro1989

here is anothen question. do you think i could beat a 93 accord with a 5 speed. completly bone stock. and if i win how much money someone would have to put in to it for them to be able to beat me.

Nitrous Al

He's stalling, tell him to put up or shut up! Heads up, no money, no BS or he's a @#$%.

DuronClocker

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Stop being a wimp and just race. Quit asking us if you'll win or not. How do we know what kind of shape your car is in? A 305 TBI can be anywhere from 15s to 18s depending on your tune and driver skill. You mentioned earlier in your thread how the one guy would probably start off in "D" on his auto because he doesn't know how to drive. Starting in "1" doesn't give you anymore power than starting in "D".

In all honesty, and as much of a jackass I think the other kid is, I think the kid in the '97 will beat you. The kid in the '93 should get his *** handed to himself though.

stu

odddoylerules

No accords in the 90's came with a V6 AND a manual, that option was AUTO ONLY. He will probably pull though, depending on the length of the race. they run mid-high 15's, but they get off the line like a slug. It seems like the torque converters are made for economy rather than acceleration. It MAY have VTEC though, if it has the triangle rear lights, it could be... but theres no way he had a manual.

The older boxy looking accords are pretty quick FEELING, but I dont know how well they run, but I was suprised at how well teh stock accord pulled from 4000 rpms. probably run low 16's but with good trap speeds. these cars are considerably lighter than later accords, I have a friend with an h22 prelude motor in his, and he runs mid 14's at almost 100mph He smokes v6 auto accords all the time. Those ppl think their cars are fast as hell.

Whats ur camaro run?

redcamaro1989

idk i havent taken it to the track yet but it feels strong and kills my step moms v6 1995 camaro pretty badly. but what can you expect. v6 vs v8

iroc2nv

ACCORD 1 CAMARO 0

sorry dude...

tbis arent that fast, and no matter if its auto or stick, he will still beat you..

just the facts of life..

iroc2nv

Fast355

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My van was faster than a stock L03 but a buddy at school could always walk away from me from the start in his 2001 Accord V6 Auto. Lets no even talk about my moms 1995 Legend that will smoke him.

The Acura Legend runs 14.4s @ 95 in Drive all night long. Its only a little 3.2 non-Vtec.

ShiftyCapone

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Nor are early 90's accords. A 305 TBI doesn't make much power but its powerband it far stronger than a older accord. I think the LO3 will pull through pretty easily on this one. The later V6 accords are a different story.

You guys just need to go to a track and settle it. Theory alone is not enough to decide a winner between 15 year old cars.

stu

Proof please.

Fast355

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Do the math it is a 230 Net HP car that weighs 3,560 lbs with a 200 lbs driver and has a six speed along with some fairly sticky rubber.

Here is the calculator showing its not to unrealistic.

http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm

Takes 238 HP at the wheels based on Speed.

or 236 HP at the wheels based on time.

stu

That car isn't a six speed. Are you sure you're talking about a Legend?

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I can't see any older accord or legend putting down 230+ at the front wheels.

Fast355

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Its a 1995 and it is a six speed.

stu

That's right, they make 230 at the crank, not the wheels.

EDIT: I looked up the Legend and it does have a 6 speed manual. I never knew they started putting in 6 speeds that early. I want one now.

Fast355

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Stock with everything installed and running the engine makes 230 HP at the crank. Turn the A/C off and you gain back about 5 hp at the crank. By the way I never said the Acura was stock either. It is stock appearing. It has a chip(reprogrammed ECM) and a lower restriction exhaust (when we bought it, it had a plugged cat and wouldn't go over 30 mph, stupid person thought the engine was blown long story short the cat is hollow and several resonators have been removed). It isn't your typical ***** exhaust note, it is a throaty V6 until it hits about 6,000 at 6,500 it sounds cool. Not to mention it has loosened up a little with age. It is probably 230 HP at the wheels with no problem considering it is a six speed.

TRAXION

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. I have a 4 cylinder that would .... ummmm ... give you a run, lol.

Tim

DuronClocker

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Ugghhhhhh...when a motor "loosens up" over time/mileage, its not in a good way. You lose power that way...you don't gain it. Don't even tell me there is less friction in the bearings now than there was years ago when it was new. Bearings are designed to reduce friction. When there is play, they are just absorbing the power on every power stroke and not going up quite as high in the bore as they should be on the compression stroke (thus less compression). Not to mention, the piston rings wear down over time and also allow more blow by. Blowby = bad for power.

I was always under the impression that the factory rating was with the AC turned off. They usually like to make those numbers sound as high as possible. Not like 5hp would make a huge difference anyways.

230HP at the wheels is like 280HP at the crank. I also want to hear what kind of 60' times you're pulling to get 14.4s in that car.

To the thread starter, I'd like to say, that the V6 camaros in '95 were quite slow. Most of the '95 model year still had the 3.4L V6 in it which produced an almighty 160hp in a 3400lb car.

ShiftyCapone

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Engines do loosen over time and break in over time as well. An engine is a system with moving parts. Every time it turns over it's parts fractionaly wear more and "loosen". Some parts actually do reduce friction over time because tollerances creep and forces on certian parts are therefore reduced. Oiling can change as well. Is not uncommon to see new engines make more power after 15k miles than when they were new.

DuronClocker

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Well, I understand that it happens to a point. I know that's what the break-in period is for, but when your car has 120k miles you can't say that it has more power because everything is looser. Granted, I understand how oiling can change and things can reduce friction I suppose...there is still more play/give in the bearings and/or other parts.

ShiftyCapone

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This is mostly ture but some cars do make the same if not more power later on in their life. This is assuming proper maitenance of course. What is cool is that iron engine blocks actually get stronger over time. This doesn't add power but it is intersting none the less. That is why you see the term "seasoned block" coined to older engines. All of that thermal cycling re-allings the molecules in the block and makes it stronger. Its pretty neat.

DuronClocker

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Hmm that makes sense about the iron. Also, I do agree that a well-taken-care-of engine could possibly have the same amount of power as stock, or more I suppose. Typically though a higher-mileage vehicle isn't in as good as shape. Though, there are people like us

odddoylerules

actually most v6 cars, be it an accord, chrysler concorde, or nissan maxxima will hit mid 14's. you dont need a v8 to have a quick car these days

stu

Yeah, some of those cars will hit mid 14's....now. Not ten years ago.

Fast355

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The car mentioned has 70,000 miles on it and is in perfect tune.

stu

The more I think about it, the more I realize what crap that statement is about any ole V6 running a 14. Look at all the crapbox cars like Malibus, Tauruses, Oldsmobiles and what not that even with a manual transmission wouldn't be anywhere near a mid 14. What it boils down to is that it still takes power to run mid 14's, power that most V6 cars don't have.

odddoylerules

yeah i probably kinda overextended that comment, there are a lot of v6 slugs... I just kinda ignore they exist. my bad.