vejatabul

ran a lt1 six speed from a roll today, about 25-30mph in 2nd gear. i let him hit first and then i pulled about a car and a half. as i shifted into third i pulled another car on him and he let out. he was lookin real snotty and seemed pissed that i beat him. ah, oh well its the life of a third gen owner. ive never been beat by a lt1, i dont plan to either!

jocww

nice

fastfbody

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good kill


its funny a lt1 in a 3rd gen an take most ls1 4th gens

pasky

Yup, just about any newer engine will pass the fourthgens, were much lighter than our little brothers. Much sexier too .

birdman88350

i beat a one of those 30th ss lt1 camaro's light to light he was not a happy camper with my stock 350 tpi

phoenix305

your slightly moddified 350 might have put him down but a stock 350 tpi against a SS lt1, i'm gonna have to call unless he sucked at drivning really bad.

pasky

He said light to light, the tpi will womp on any fourth gen to begin with, but problem is the fourthgen pulls far away after the top of 2nd gear.

nick418

yea A L98 vs a LT1 at stop light to stop light, the 350 TPI should win.. After 50 or so the Lt1 will take it slowly.. LT1 and the L98 arent much diff.. Lt1 has much better top and the L98 loves low end.. Man i wish GM threw atleast a 5 speed in the L98

Ray87Z

auto vs auto the later L98s aren't much slower than the LT1s. Especially if we're talking 0-60 or 70 mph-ish runs on the street, where it's all in the launch and a truly faster car could easily lose with less than perfect driving...

The LT1 cars main benefit was the availability of the 6spd manual...

m8d2run

I know what you mean I've raced quite a few LT1's and I get them off the line unless i get alot of wheel spin, but mid way through their 3rd gear the pull next to me then slowly pull on me.
I haven't raced one since I had my headers and shocks installed.
nice kill, :hail: 3rd gens.

vejatabul

oh btw, i ran that lt1 on the motor. i would never dream of running a dead stock lt1 with my spray. not worth the $2.75 a pound for the n2o. and my motor is a l98. the race lasted to about 85mph. even with my car in hurt condition he had no chance on the street.

fastfbody

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i raced a lt1 in my dads mini van 3.0 baby. i could had taken it had i not spun for about 5 mins. you guys know how much low-end those mini vans make.punk got lucky i will get him next time.

ES87iroc

Define "much lighter".

CHEVY_EATER

I raced a mildly modded 94 Z28 6spd with my cousins 89 GT that had pulleys, catback, h-pipe. I raced him 2 times from a dead stop and killed it both times. He could not pull on me until after a 100 where he crept by. We raced from a roll at like 25-30 and the same thing...dead even basically until after 100-110. He was by himself and there were 2 of us in my cousins car. I made my cousin get out so I could drive!!

pasky

Lets see, my car with a LT1 weighs 3200 without me in it without any weight reduction. How much does a fourthgen weigh? I only weigh 167.

ShiftyCapone

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They weigh 3400 to 3800. The average weight for a fully optioned LT1 or LS1 car is 3500 to 3600. The verts are the high end and the 1LE and base Z's are the low end. My 95 was weighed in at like 3550 at one point (previous owner).

You can't beat the shell of the 3rd gen.

25thmustang

Shell of a fox body, mines 3150-3200 with me in it!

ShiftyCapone

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Ha I knew someone was going to say that. We don't like our girls to be too skinny

25thmustang

Too skinny would be under 3000 race weight, Id say 3000-3200 is right perfect! Id rather have her on the skinny side than a tub! LOL

pasky

Well this guy apparently thought I was being a smart *** or something. I suppose mine weighs so little because I have power nothing and it was originally a v6 with literally no options.

ShiftyCapone

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That and aluminum heads keep about 50+ lbs off as well. Yours is exceptionally light. My buds full optioned T-top LO3 RS weighed 3400lbs with a full tank of gas and him in it. That is pretty good.

ES87iroc

My iroc-z = 3500 lbs.
my 98 ws6 = 3500 lbs.


Your car is unusually light if you are weighing in around 3050 lbs.

You have to comepare apples to apples, i.e. a stripped/loaded 4th gen to a stripped/loaded 3rd gen.

pasky

My car isn't stripped.....I was assuming both the fourthgen and thirdgen have the same engine, which is why I broguth up thirdgen with newer engine, that was the key. Not a stock iroc. Once again, no weight reduction done on my car. I gaurantee you a ls1 fourthgen vs a ls1 thirdgen your gonna see a 250-300 lb difference. Perhaps you should pay closer attention.

ES87iroc

So which is it?

pasky

I was speaking of my weight and why it weighs considerably lower than the normal v8 thirdgen. Once again, in general with the same engine and tranny the thirdgen will weigh 200-300 lb's less than the fourthgen. Is this just too hard for you to understand?

pasky

I was speaking of my weight and why it weighs considerably lower than the normal v8 thirdgen. Once again, in general with the same engine and tranny the thirdgen will weigh 200-300 lb's less than the fourthgen. Is this just too hard for you to understand?

anondude13

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ES87iroc

Perhaps I need to spell it out for you to understand.

In the same thread, one minute you say your car has NO options, and a post later you say it is not stripped. (Well optioned)

What was difficult about that? Which is it? Compare an apple to an apple. (well equiped to well equiped -OR- stripped to stripped) From what it sounds like, you can't decided wether your car is an apple or an orange.

Inwo

A fully loaded thirdgen weighs about as much as a no option fourth gen by all anecdotal postings I've seen 3500-3600 to 3500-3600.

Stripped means no interior, just a tach and/or speedo where the new lightweight dash sits all crash bars removed (since roll cages don't really need them) along with various other race car mods. No options is simply no options.

pasky

Glad someone knows the definition of stripped....Meaning no carpet, no seats except the driver, etc...

So I suppose someone else has eye sight problems identifying an apple from an orange.

vejatabul

uuuhhh its like 2.75 a pound everywhere down here. there are a lot of shops that do refills.

btw, my 1988 sport coupe l03 camaro weighed 3370 with me and with no wieght reduction besides no smog and no cat. it was a fully optioned(power window, door lock, hatch,a/c, but non t-top)car. i weighed 170lbs at the time. my 1988 gta weighed 3515 without me and no weight reduction. last time i weghed the gta, it was 3380lbs without driver, with the slicks mounted, a full nitrous bottle,and a 1/4 tank of gas. ive pulled nearly 200lbs out of it since, and hope to go down the road to the nearest truck stop soon and weigh it agian.

fly89gta

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I think what he meant by stripped was no options from the factory.

MoroteZ28

i do notice that alot of 4th gen owners are real snobby n arrogant n they dont really give a *** bout our 3rd gens no respect n no im not speakin for every1 this is how i feel

ES87iroc

Yep, I think he is confusing stripped with gutted, and he has to look/act big and try to have the last word. I was just letting it go as it was not worth trying to expain it to him. That, and he seems to have a reverse superiority complex with 3rd/4th gens, which might be why he is being so hard headed.

25thmustang

Well look into the difference between an LS1 and an L98. Thats the reason for this, the LS1s are just insane powerhouses off the lot, and a few bolt ons and your deep 12s. The L98s were strong for their day, but compared to an LS1, very inferior, stock and modded alike...

Now to compare, the Mustangs reason for not sticking their noses up, the newer ones arent much faster. A well driven notch, back in 88 could run low 14s high 13s, and a new GT is right in the same area, maybe slightly faster. Cant stick your nose up at a car that isnt much slower, and done 15+ years ago!

I dont agree with it, but I can see why. Just make your car faster than most LS1s in your area, and you have nothing to worry about!

pasky

No, quite the contrary. I know plenty of people with them and drive my brother in laws 95 camaro periodically, you seem to be confused on simple definitions, how is a no option vehicle stripped? Stripped means you've taken something out that was there. How do you strip something that was never there to begin with? Stripped and gutted are the same damn thing. It seems you have the superiority complex and its been proven over and over a thirdgen will weigh quite a bit less than its fourthgen counterpart with the same engine and transmission, quit trying to deny facts because you own a fourthgen.

ES87iroc

Thanks for proving my point from the above reply.

pasky

No skin off my back buddy, im not gonna be sitting here wallowing over an internet forum argument, fact of the matter is, its true.

CHEVY_EATER

When my friend and I weighed are cars his 2000 SS was 3565 with him (130lbs?) and mine was 3500 exactly. His has all options but leather and is a 6spd. I weighed about 145-150 at the time. So..my Mustang is a little on the heavy side for a foxbody. That was when it was AOD still though, so I lost some weight with the 5spd swap but gained it back with the SC probably.

Kat

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My IROC... 3200 pounds (no driver) before the 6 speed swap. with a 60/40 weight ratio.

Err so Erik what aboot that? :finger:

Kat

ES87iroc

*Shrugs*

I guess I just own an overweight pig, that's all.

Kat

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Same here. The only options mine has are power locks and AC.

Then again all the smog stuff is gone and thats about it. I think the 3" y-pipe's weight makes up for that loss tho. lol

I should weigh it at work again just to see what the differance is with the 6 speed and Spohn Torque Arm.

Kat

ES87iroc

Mine has every option for 87 and then some, I keep adding crap (weight) to it. Soon it might be eligible for the LBC. LoL Ah well, it was never meant to be fast, I gave up on that along time ago with this car.

Kat

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Thats why you have a LS1 car. Just remember the godly power of the LS1 is no match for the lowly out dated pos L98.

Kat

fly89gta

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DON 88T/A

ES87iroc...where are you in MD?
Have you raced in Glen-burnie before..might have met you..

ES87iroc

Hey Don, yeppirs, sure did. I live over in Dumb-dalk currently. I have not been around GB in years, too many wrecks/imports around there.

Ed Z28 350

My loaded 01 SS with T-Tops, leather, power everything, + SLP dual center exit exhaust and 1/2 tank of gas weighed 3420 lbs when I weighed it at the track. I have never weighed my IROC but I remember always seeing quotes of 3400-ish pounds. They are essentially the same weight.

DON 88T/A

You have/had a blue Iroc that was not shifting right at the time?
I have a black 88 Trans-am...we met up at glen-burnie a couple times(about 4 years ago)...did you ever get it to shift right?
I was off the internet for awhile but have been back on for a year now...you were also on tealnet? Sorry if i have the wrong person..

ES87iroc

Yep that's me.

I fixed it by throwing away the A4 and switching to a t5. Do you still have the t/a? Check out the mid-atlantic forums here, there is a calendar of events for this season with everything we have going on in it.

(Link is also in the sig)