scubas_90rs

What do you guys think about a late 90's possibly 97-99 prelude vs my rs. All i know about the honda is it has exhast and a cai. the motor is suppost to be a h22 but the kid who owns it blew the orignal motor up and put something else in it. the motor he put in was stockthat is all he knows about it. all that has been done to the maro is it has a 350 5 speed k&n open element 350 injectors and 3.42 peg leg. The ecm still thinks that the engine is a stock 5.0 so i know that is hurting preformace on my side. but what do you guys think.

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

h22 preludes run mid 15's or so. your 350 5 speed should best that.

but depends what are the specs on the 350? where/what did it come from, or what parts are in it? cam specs? intake your using? compression ratio and heads that are on it.

If its similar to L98, then you should have no problem.

anondude13

I know someone who ran 15 flat in one. That said, preludes do not seem nearly that fast on the street. I 0wned one with my torquey as hell FWD '91 seville. With RWD and a 350, you'll get him so bad out of the hole he won't be able to catch up.

kairles

iTrader: (2)

prelude's are slow a fellow thirdgen member just barly lost(his car was at the luds front tire and the lude had a jump on him) to a 97+ with a turbo and it was an rs with a 305 t-5 combo so you should have no problem

anondude13

Well turbos don't do much for preludes, they can't run more than 6 pounds.

kretos

you'll eat him for lunch

scubas_90rs

Orr89RocZ the 350 pretty much stock interally. it is supposted to have a rv cam in. the motor is out of a truck. it has the stock intake and exhast manifolds. heads stock 350 tbi i guess. comp ratio stock what ever that is. sorry i don't know to much about this motor. all i know it is better than the 5.0 that i had in it.

stu

That's true. The fast Preludes will run in the 15's.

nick418

youll take it

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

truck TBI 350 and a stick is a good combo. should have no problem

preludes can be made fast. H22's are great motor. Seen all motor bolt on cammed prelude run with SRT-4 with increased boost. So they have some potential but all stock, you will win. LOL

scubas_90rs

welll thanks for the info. i'll let all you know what the out come is

IROCaholic

The stock 350 tbi truck motor had 210hp and 300 tq so its a nice improvement over the 305,but the stock chip is killing you. Go to www.tbichips.com and ask the guy there for a 350 tbi cop car caprice chip. I think I bought mine for $30 and it makes a big difference in your cars driveability. Also your going to want a knock sensor for a 350 tbi car. Without these two things your car will never perform to its max potential. Good Luck.

scubas_90rs

IROCaholic The car is going to have a carb put on it this winter if all goes well. To inform you all about the lude. The kid totaled it out the other night so I won't be racing him. I like the thought of another honda in the boneyard.

IROCaholic

Oh cool, I would have suggested that but alot of people like to work with the system they have and some tbi guys get offended when you tell them to just go carb. I went carb and I will never go back to tbi. Good Luck.

scubas_90rs

IROCaholic i like the tbi system but i know nothing about fuel injection. it confuses me. like you have 5 sensors that tell the ecm one thing and if one of them go bad it could be any of them or all of them. i can understand carb systems alot better. they are at least to me more user freindly.

scubas_90rs

IROCaholic i like the tbi system but i know nothing about fuel injection. it confuses me. like you have 5 sensors that tell the ecm one thing and if one of them go bad it could be any of them or all of them. i can understand carb systems alot better. they are at least to me more user freindly.

vejatabul

my brothers 99 prelude had a k@n airfilter with the stock airbox and took the muffler off, it also ran a set of nitto dr's. it ran a 9.4 @ 76mph in the 1/8(14.66 1/4 mile). tell me a stock 305 3rd gen that runs that! my gta did that stock. on a 75hp shot it ran a 8.7@87mph in the 1/8!!! thats a 13.56 1/4 mile!
now with that said.....ive never seen a prelude do anything near that, they were always at least a tenth to a full second off. i would wish you good luck, but looks like there is no race to win.

FbodTrek

Dude....The H22 can hold more than 6 psi, lol. There are guys here in Houston running 12-14 on stock bottom ends, and hitting high 13's. I've seen near stock Accords with H22's run low 14's as well. If I ever pick up a 6th generation Accord for a daily driver, I'm gonna swap in an H22-Fear the DOHC VTEC yo!

stu

The ring lands don't like to hold much more boost than 7 psi, so I wonder how long they will last. Also, if they are really running 12-14 psi and running only high 13's, then something is seriously wrong.

vejatabul

how can the ring lands be a prob? i thought it was a #1 cyl running lean prob.? it wouldnt be how much boost, it would be how much cyl pressure. and then it would not really be a cyl pres. prob, it would be that the ring gap is too small to tolorate that much cyl pressure and heat. cant blame the ring land. smokey yunick ran ring lands as small as .125in on his sbc indy turbo motors and they made 800hp from 209 ci. ring lands should be as small as possible to promote better combustion. think, the bigger the ring land, the bigger the amount of air/fuel that gets to fill that space and not get used. thinkin out loud here......

anondude13

Or you could swap an LS1 into your thirdgen for the same price and have a real car. And I don't see how an engine swapped accord would be the most reliable daily driver possible. Never buy a performance honda engine unless you want to get ripped off, you gotta do it like stu did and find a beater with a b18.

FbodTrek

Don't know much about Honda's do you? An H22 is a Prelude VTEC motor. Bolts right into the Accord, easy swap (well slightly more involved). And it's damn sure a hell of a lot easier than throwing one of those LS1's in a thirdgen, what a PITA. Unless Stu bought a GSR, his Teg didn't come with a b18 anyhow. As for the Preludes running that much boost, these are full interior cars, and they are running that boost on C16/93 mix and at the track, not daily. A friend who owns a tire shop is one of these people. He hasn't had any problems, He won't get rid of the 15's in the trunk either, I keep telling him if he dropped some weight he could hit low 13's no prob. Anyhow, if you want a fast 3rdgen, an LS1 isn't the way to go (I wish people would get off that motors nutz). For as much BS is involved, you might as well drop in a BBC and be happy (who needs accessories anyhow ).

vejatabul

or you could find an ls1 for around $1200(ive come across many) and throw a set of headers a cam and tune it and make 420 rwhp. do that with a bbc. stock for stock you cant touch it with any n/a chevy production motor(avalible, not rare).you want people to get off its nuts? you ever seen what can be done with an ls1? if you have you wouldnt say that!show me a completely stock chevy anything n/a that makes over 300hp to the wheels and 300rwtq. i say stock because you have to start some where, and why not start with a motor that weighes 300lbs lighter than a bbc?. show me a bbc with bolt ons only (no cam or heads or internal mods) that runs 11.18! or add a 200hp shot and run 10.26? its been done with an ls1. there wil be a stock intrenal(no head or cam mods) ls1 in the 9's within a couple of months. my brother is currently working on it.it is a street car and it was in pontiac highperformance last month in there lone star shootout. it runs on pumpgas and still gets 24mpg with a th400 and transbrake. it made over 600hp to the wheels with a 250hp shot. do that with a bbc, and then make another 150 hp to make up for the weght.

FbodTrek

Dude....No. 400+ with cam and headers? to the wheels? I'd like to see a dyno sheet. And incase you didn't know, Heads are a bolton. Maybe I'm oldfashioned, but when it comes to V8's, I don't believe in fuel injection when building a drag car. I hate the LS1, it's a bitch to work on, and despite the power it makes. Try changing the plugs in a 4thgen Ls1...not fun. When I say big block, I mean 500+ hp to the wheels with boltons, spray THAT. We have a car at the shop that is powerd by a BBC, runs low 9's on motor alone. Just heads, cam, dual Demons. I'm sure you can make an LS1 that fast too, but bla. Computers in cars will always leave room for too many problems. Troubleshooting problems can be a PITA too. ANyhow, my opinion is just that.

anondude13

Knock yourself out spending 3-4 grand on a nearly maxed out at 200hp engine.

vejatabul

we made 419whp in a 2001 z28 2years ago with a cam and no other internal mods. no heads. the heads on an ls1 will support over 500 hp unported. maybe you should read up on them. my brother can do a cam swap in 3 hours flat. he did a cam swap at the track once! i can do plugs in an ls1 in 25mins.

1. go to ls2.com, and register.

2. make a topic, call it "who makes the most hp cam only".

3. realize that the record is over 450wrhp.

ls1's are not hard to work on! there is nothing hard about them. they are cheap if you look at the hp per dollar ratio.

fastest ls1 on motor runs low nines also


you know people dismised the 3.8 turbo buicks when they were new.
people also once said that you cant go any faster than a 10 sec 1/4 mile with a fwd car.

just because you dont understand the technology, does not mean it wont change your entire world within a few years.
i understand where your coming from, you really dont want to learn about anything new, you know what works and that makes you happy.
the ls1 is the ****, it is the future, it has change the world.
its got every trick you can think of from the factory, all you have to do is put a little cam to it, open the exaust , and run 10's.
here is a list of the 100 fastest ls1's......


http://www.ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm

it has thier mods on the page also. look closly. this of corse is not all of the fastest ls1's, but this will give you an idea.....

FbodTrek

^
I hear what your saying. Not a weak motor, but it is a bitch to put into a 3rdgen (otherwise everyone would have an LS1). And it would cost me about 1000 bux to drop an H22 into an Accord, cheaper than an LS1 alone (Imports are cheap, reguardless of what people think). ANyhow, I ain't argueing, get us nowhere. To each his own.

vejatabul

ok. i dont really see how it is hard to put an ls1 in a third gen. if you learned about them, you would see it is very easy. you could fabricate alot of stuff and it would be cheap. the fuel pumps interchange, you can make a set of hooker long tubes work, and you dont have to cut the oil pan. if you are not running a/c it is very very easy.

scubas_90rs

why does every one have to start telling one another about this and that or how easy or how hard it is to do something. All i did was ask a simple question and every one after my last post changed the subject. If you want to have your pissing contests do it some where else. some people just want there question answered with out the other BS. almost every post on this board that i have read has turned into this. all of the other boards that I look at don't get out of topic. This stuff really pisses me off. BUt you know like a few of you have said I don't have to worry about the car anymore because it is off the street. to all of you that gave me your opions before my last post thank you. to the rest of you thanks for nothing.

stu

LOL, sorry, you're wrong.

93 SHO

stu's integra probably DID come with a b18....and now as i read this i realize oh yeah well duh

scubas_90rs

and as I said before more useless information about what i posted about.

scubas_90rs

and as I said before more useless information about what i posted about.
Inwo, iroc22, ShiftyCapone one of you could you please do something about this. I know that you are limited to what you can do but it is getting out of hand. Also, so this doesn't **** me off anymore could you lock this thread. I got what I wanted with in the first few posts the rest of it is just **** I didn't really want to know at this time. Thanks.

FbodTrek

Sorry dude...sorta my fault. I drop subject. And for the record Stu, what model 90 Integra had a b18???

scubas_90rs

i accept your apaligy. but like you said it is sort of your fault.

vejatabul

but if we had not gotten off subject, you would not have had anymore info than what you got. why would it matter if we started disscusing something after you have ended your disscusion? you had no more info, and we had nothing more to contribute to your conversation. why complain and want the topic closed when there is nothing hurting your info? if all the posts that were off topic were deleted, would you feel your question was answered better?

stu

Why are you appoligizing to this guy? If he's done with this thread, then he doesn't have to read it anymore.

To answer your question, unless you are talking about the Integra XSi that wasn't even sold in this country, then ALL 1990 Intergras came with the B18A1. Go ahead and prove me wrong....I dare you.

stu

LOL, just remembered something. There is an Integra that didn't come with a B18 that was sold in the U.S. It was the 92-93 GSR. That car came with a B17 motor. That was when the GSR first came out, in the second generation Integra (looks like mine). Oh wait a minute, what kind of car did you say I had to buy to have a B18 motor? LOL Bwahahaahahahahaha.